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JonnyM   
12 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

And have you ever thought that all those prehistoric paintings are graffiti as well? :)

They aren't. Grafitti is deliberate damage to the built environment - prehistoric cave paintings are interior decor. ;-)

If the human kind doesn't change dramatically, they will even be preserving the graffiti in Warsaw and charging visitors for watching it

And explaining the HWDP by telling the visitors that it was an ancient late 20th/early 21st century Polish tradition to put your Huj W Dupie Policjanta :-))
JonnyM   
12 May 2011
Feedback / Why PolishForums? Give us your stories! [60]

13 is an unlucky number. You forgot:

14. Non-Poles (or New Poles?) who live in Poland and wnt to discuss matters relating their new country or share their experiences with visitors.
15. Non-Poles (or New Poles) who are for whatever reason working outside Poland and can't wait to get back.
16. People (either Poles or Non-Poles who are either sat by a computer all day because they have to be and enjoy this forum for some odd reason, or just have too little to do.
JonnyM   
12 May 2011
Travel / Polish Lot - Serving Alcohol [14]

It's surely not difficult that I'm asking a question, whether if I will be in trouble with the authorities if I drink on the flight back to Canada?

Not so difficult, surely?

Actually yes - this forum's about Poland rather than Canada. But common sense should prevail, and if you're drunk and disorderly Canadian law will apply. On LOT, you can drink, and in Poland you can drink. Remember three things. Firstly, if you are drunk when you arrive at the airport they might not allow you on the plane. Secondly, if you keep summoning the flight attendant wanting drinks, he/she may decide not to give you many, especially since you are a teenager. Thirdly, never, ever argue with a flight attendant, especially about alcohol - you might not like the result.

Perhaps you shoyuld enjoy a few drinks in Poland (in moderation - teenage binge drinking is viewed as negatively there as anywhere else) and be sensible on the flight. It's a long journey back to Canada, the other passengers don't want to be sat next to a drunken 18 year old and you don't want to feel like shite when you get there.
JonnyM   
11 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

That one was not Lascaux, but nevermind.

Of course - Lascaux is very different. The oldest piece of art is much older. It was found in Derbyshire, England. It's an image of a horse - completely stylised.

I also realize that the border between them is not always so distinct as some people would like to see it.

That's true.
JonnyM   
11 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

Is that your definition of art? :)

Not mine, but I'm very happy to run with it.

. Do you think that the painter of the picture No.1 had the intention to make art? Or was he/she just expressing whatever he/she felt like expressing? Yet, for some reason it's called art - maybe because it's a couple of thousands years older than the painting you posted...

He/she had the intention to create art. The Lascaux cave paintings aren't instruction diagrams; those handprints are there to create an impression on those who see it. Their existance so many years later intensifies that - it takes us away from the mundane. Grafitti has the opposite effect.

Why not? What does it mean "to be accepted as a sculpture"? By whom? By the public?

The observer.

By whom? By the public? It has been proven many times that the public will accept as art anything named so by the media :(

So often the media criticise art for not being art. I remember well the brouhaha about Carl Andre's Bricks at the Tate Gallery. Art creates an effect on the observer. Now as for grafitti - Banksy's stuff creates an effect, it makes the observer think differently. An illegible scrawl on the side of a building (itself architecture) just irritates because it is destructive. Art can be a transformation - but can a pointless destruction be art?

I don't know. I don't like it as graffiti. The message of it is not readable to me

The message is that damaging it with a spray can is more naughty than just spitting on it.

perhaps the building's owner is a vile man and the message means "You should repent!".. lol

Now that would be interesting - if it was readable as such - but it isn't.

BTW, Your picture number 2 is art, leaving metaphorical number twos with spray paint is just destruction.
JonnyM   
11 May 2011
Law / Mr. Men and Little Miss series - trying to bring it onto the Polish market [20]

I would love to translate this series into Polish!

That could be great fun, but as far as I know it has been done already. Though I was looking for some of the books a couple of years ago and couldn't find them - maybe they're out of print. The UK publisher would know who has the Polish rights for the series.
JonnyM   
11 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

There's no need for any form of art. Basically 4 bare concrete walls would function just as well as the York Cathedral

Teenagers scrawling HWDP or LEGIA KURWY isn't art. Annd 4 concrete walls may not look as impressive as York Minster, but they are nevertheless architecture, complete in themselves and the users of that architecture have a right to use it without vandalism.

Please teach me something then, JonnyM..

Gladly. Though it's a while since I finished my degree. Art must have an intention to be art. The piece of snot I just blew out of my nose and smeared on the wall has a form and substance - but it isn't art. There must also be a level of artistic inspiration - nobody can convincingly forge a Jackson Pollock splash painting, though many have tried.It must also have some degree of craftsmanship though there is a debate on this (see Gombrich) - I could carve a sculpture - but would it be accepted as a sculpture?

Is this art?

bad grafitti

so a can of paint shoved up their ass would do just fine.

Make the punishment fit the crime. I've always favoured making them clean it off, but the little gits would probably get high on the solvents.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

Without you there wouldn't be the need for graffiti.

There is no need for grafitti. It is not in itself art - the intention of teenagers with spray cans is merely to damage. No craft, no skill, no inspiration, no intention to create art. Just damage.

begins with taking little freedoms away

Like the freedom to damage property?

well, I must admit, I have just half a clue about history... :)

But far less than half a clue about art.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
Polonia / Anyone travelling from Warsaw to New Delhi willing to take some of my belongings (photos)? [30]

Is heroine or Cocaine popular in Poland ? Just curious. Polular enough and lets say to even send to other country?...

Not particularly, but airlines do ask the question "Did you pack the luggage yourself" as soon as you check in - it's even the first question they ask and people are right to be very careful.

Check out UPS, the parcel service or EMS Pocztex - they aren't too expensive.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

That's what makes me think twice before I condemn vandalism

Yes, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Hesitating before condemning crime against the individual. Now PM me with your granny's address, and I'll pop over with the spraycans.

Polish society isn't broken.

Many would disagree.

A sick society is the one in which there's no room for any form of being different apart from the form which they are told is acceptable. So 2 women kissing on the street are acceptable but a cock on the wall is not as it may hurt the feelings of sensitive watchers.

Unfortunately the law in Poland, which you say is not a broken society, says otherwise. Two women can't kiss in a romantic way in the street, and sadly, I can't see the law changing any day soon. Kissing is normal wholesome human behaviour. Spraypainting a metre-high cock on the bus stop or on your neighbour's house is disturbingly destructive

This is what you're told.

By whom? Don't judge others by your own easily-led mindset.

And the emo kids - they think they're being acceptably different, but for some reason they're all the same. What kind of mutant defective resistance they express that is nothing different from following another fashion, another rules.

By self-harm, suicide, vandalism - do you really think that's "another fashion, another rules" Or behaviour patterns that are crying out for more stable humans to help them out of.

I told you, although you don't seem to listen, that I don't support the rubbish graffiti

Really - doesn't look like it.

- but I realize that to get some good graffiti we must agree on a certain amount of rubbish. And yes, I think it's worth it.

So in fact you do support the "rubbish grafitti." Make your mind up, woman.

I'd rather live with HWDP on my wall than in an artificial orderly world where human being is no longer a human but a predictable and obedient machine

And what about condoning the plight of others who have to live with HWDP and worse on the wall of their home? People who may not share your 'interesting and unusual' views. Self-expression by vandals isn't a fundamental human right. Living safely without fear and with one's property intact, is.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / King of Sweden starts three day trip to Poland [12]

Very true. There was even some offer of military alliance, which we should accept in my opinion.

Military alliance against whom? Got any wars planned as well as paying back your share of the EU subsidy, as you said you would?

The Queen of Sweden, who accompanied him on the state visit, doesn't offer 'military alliances' but she has supported charities that work with Polish children in the past.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

I don't think so. You see what you've been told is direspectful and annoying

Told by whom? Some of us can think for themselves rather than defend vandalism on the grounds that they have a taste for it. No man is an island, and the teenage vandals who commit grafitti aren't artists any more than an emo cutting themself is the new Kurt Cobain.

but where would we get Banksys from if we didn't have graffiti at all?

So you're admitting that even the most famous grafitti artist is derivative.

it shows what makes the public decide what is art and what isn't

It's the scrawls that aren't art that they're forced to (and I use that phrase carefully) see that are the problem. And those scrawls constitute 99.9999% of all grafitti. The little gits who spray on walls around Warsaw (and the horrendous grafitti problem is a sign of how broken Polish society is) are not artists. They are vandals.

they should stick a can with paint up the ass of each caught culprit.

Exactly - though the penalty is up to 2 years in prison.
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

No, but you clearly look but you don't see.

Rather more than you. I see scribbles that annoy people, disrespect for the built environment which we all share, elderly people upset by all the 'CHUJ' stuff, ethnic minorities intimidated by the 'MURZYNY DO DZUNGLU' and 'ZYDZI WON' stuff, I see newly renovated buildings that cost their residents money to paint covered with scrawls about football.

The thing is, Chimichero, I see all that round Warsaw, but I don't see much Banksy.

I really couldn't be bothered if there was Legia Kurwy on my wall

That just shows how low your standards are. Half of me hopes someone comes and draws a giant cock on your granny's balcony.

chimichera art

Art?
JonnyM   
10 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

I rarely see movies that one could call art.

Perhaps you watch the wrong movies. Strange that, since you only seem to notice the 'right' grafitti.

It's just rubbish littering people's minds. And can be more harmful than HWDP on the wall. Shall we make cinematography illegal? Actually I'd be happy to see some of the film makers made accountable.

Nonsense, as usual. If you think a film's harmful, don't go and see it. don't buy the DVD, don't download it. don't watch that channel. But how do you avoid HWDP, LEGIA KURWY, ZYZDI WON, meaningless teenage tags etc unless you walk around with your eyes closed. Perhaps you do?

It doesn't kill anyone, does it?

No, but it does spoil the wall that they've paid to have painted and look grimly depressing as they're going about your business.

Here's a deal for you Chimichera, if you like grafitti so much, give me a spray can and let me decorate the walls of your family's house. After all, don't I have a right to express myself?
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
UK, Ireland / Poland has arrived in TV soap opera "Eastenders" [15]

I think Hackney people differ though from the Eastenders tv characters.

Pretty much, but the squalor is pure Seven Sisters. No community spirit though, and the pubs are full of knuckle-dragging Sors fans.

The new character isn't the first Pole in Eastenders - back in 2006 there was a Polish builder called Sebastian who shagged Shirley.

But of course the South was beaten by the North - there was a Pole on Coronation Street 50 years ago. I'm not sure of his name, but he was married to Linda Tanner, Elsie's daughter.
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
Love / Hot Polish girls in clubs - why don't they dance/talk with the most attractive men only? [148]

So nothing wrong with the taste of hot Polish girls?

Nothing at all! But sometimes the most beautiful girl/guy in the club turns out to be rather less beautiful in the morning and downright ugly when you get to know them better. Often the wallflower, the one you're not at all sure about, the one that doesn't get out much, the blind date you're disappointed when you see, can turn out to be the most beautiful person you've ever met.
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

little shopkeeper's fears

"Little shopkeepers" are the guys who have to pay for the walls to be repainted or otherwise have their already banal lives blighted further by omnipresent and very depressing signs of urban decay.

Wake up to the reality of walking home from an underpaid job every wintry day through a bleak housing estate in Stalowa Wola, Sieradz or Tluszcz to your only home that has 'KURWA', 'HWDP', 'HOOLS' and '£KS ZYDZI' sprayed in foot high letters right outside your only window on the wall that you struggle to pay the fundusz remontowy to have repainted every 25 years.

Move out of your sophomoric (at best) teenage fantasy and show some respect.
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

So the word "remont" is used appropriately.

Thet would be fine if they just said 'remontowac lazienke' - it's the 'carry out a project of' that's pretentious.

"Promowanie/promocja" doesn't have exactly the same meaning and something like "celowanie w rynek" would sound awkward, so the loan word doesn't replace any old one in this case

Exactly. Neither of those are quite right. The word 'marketing' first appearred in print in 1914. Marketing certainly existed during the Second Republic - it would be interesting to know what they called it then.

I have more problems with using "HR" instead of "dziaƂ kadr"

Me too. When Personnel Departments evolved in to HR it was baffling for some people. In Polish, HR should be ZL.

"fidbek"

Fejsbuk, ajskrim (not used much nowadays), esemesowac etc. Annoying.
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
News / Grafitti plague in Warsaw [84]

this charming bit of grafitti on a catholic church

I noticed that when the grafitti vandals 'tagged' the cemetary wall in Pludy, near Tarchomin, they had the manners to write 'przepraszam' underneath.

People, don't you have other problems? I don't mind graffiti at all, I like it. Some of it is rubbish but on the whole it makes the sad concrete world more colourful

Those photos you posted are 'good' grafitti. Unfortunately that accounts for far less than one percent of grafitti round Warsaw. Almost all of it is mindless scrawling by teenagers and football slogans. Even on newly painted residential buildings.
JonnyM   
9 May 2011
Language / Too many English words in the Polish language! [709]

"The Bouquet's residence

The Bouquet residence. Without the 's makes it much more pretentious.

I notice in Poland people saying that they're going to carry out a project of renovation on their bathroom, rather than just paint the toilet wall. Same sort of thing.

Training, instead of szkolenia, Marketing instead of whatever - also rather pretentious. But the loannword 'toast' (each syllable pronounced, meaning to formally drink someone's health rather than grilled bread)? What's the alternative? I don't just mean saying 'na zdrowie' - I mean at a formal banquet.