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Sokrates   
20 Sep 2009
Genealogy / Genetic difference between Poles and selected others. [83]

Don't think that your sh$t smells any better than an African's...

Actually it has been scientifically proven that white mans crap is superior while blacks crap deadly poison that heavily influenced the ozon layer thinning.

Germans are... some Iranians

Germans are related to Iranians through Indians brought as slaves by the Vikings.
Sokrates   
13 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

I'm not sure how good your Polish is Sean and Kaczmarski wrote in a way that only a Pole can fully understand but if your Polish is good enough this song is absolutely spot on.

youtube.com/watch?v=kcxEu2IVT0c&feature=related
Sokrates   
13 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

As is the case in modern times, religion will play its part. They are both predominantely prawosławny and a large percentage of Belarussians can speak Russian fluently.

Absolutely but they dont really feel Russian and remember that with people who have such a weak grasp on nationality all it takes is enter the region, stabilize it, feed their families show them respect and offer freedoms they didnt have thus far and suddenly Poland becomes next best thing after sex and vodka.

As for religion? Just let them roll with Prawoslawie, its XXI century and Poland did mature quite a bit in that regard, if you're a Belarussian you're not going to want to starve along with your prawoslawny brothers in Russia if another country offers stability aid liberty and lets you keep whats important to you.

Polish mistake which led directly to Polands decline was that it failed to treat Eastern slavic nations decently when it needed raw manpower, history slowly makes a full circle, Russia is in drastic decline, Poland in slow ascension but again to make it into the big buys room we need people we dont have but our neighbours do and would be more than willing to share if we play it right.

Whether Poland will play it right is another matter.
Sokrates   
13 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

Still, I believe that kickstart options are viable.

How will they pay for them?

Anyway, this is about Poland. Sokrates, you are Polish, what do you think?

I think that Poland built a regional power once upon a time despite the odds and that proves something, if circumstances are right it can do it again and circumstances are slowly becoming right, Friedmans book is a lot of bull and US masturbation though.

If Russia and Germany fall into hard times you end up with 3 natural nexuses of power in Europe, France and UK and Poland.

France and UK by principle of being huge stable economies and Poland by being the next largest kid on the block in central and eastern Europe, if we'd assume some turmoil in which Russia is an actuall side, Germany is unable or unwilling to intervene it falls down to Poland to play with its neighbours.

Friedman did get one thing right and thats an extremely interesting point, Russia is virtually guaranteed to fall apart in our lifetime in a way thats both dramatic and permanent, in the event Eastern European countries might go for landgrab and a thousand other opportunities can open that permanently shifts the balance of power eastwards in Europe and since we're the wealthiest, the most stable if we play it right potential gains can be enormous and long lasting.

One thing i agree with his book is that Poland is likely to govern Belarus directly in some form or other in the future, Belarussian economy is riding the russian wallet, without it Belarus can and will experience such a social, political and economic collapse thats right now unthinkable outside Africa.

In case of Russian decline Poland can offer help, aid and install its sockpuppets especially since Belariusians have rather weak national identity and buying them and re-creating them into something else is easier than with Ukraine.

So can Poland become a very powerfull state in our lifetime? Probably yes but it all hinges on how long with Russia last and how well will the Polish goverment play out opportunities unfolding in the event of such a collapse.

If Russia manages to reform itself against all odds then Poland will just stay where it is, in 15-30 years it will reach something nearing Spanish standards of economy and welfare, its probably going to demand a larger slice of pie and get it as far as say in EU goes, and will become a significant EU member but thats it.
Sokrates   
13 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

Many countries profited from the Marshall plan after WWII. Great Britain and France for example got much, much more money but no "Wirtschaftswunder" for them...

And the difference in skill and discipline made you wealthier than them the point is that were you are today you are because of US investment.

PS: You don't have to downtalk me everytime I start to brag about Germany Sokrates...it's

You sir are talking to 26 years of pre-conditioning but i'll try :P

As for Germany another importtant bit is that you got to trade and develop your economy like a normal country, we got our centrally planned hell after all of our industry was stripped and taken by Russia, its important to remember that where we are respectively is a product of circumstances more than individual effort.

By the same principle the Western allies snorted down on Germany after WW1 because it was "naturally inferior" in military and got a nasty suprise when circumstances changed.

Sokrates, time produces such differences but it just involves a few adjustments.

US never in its history had such a debt, never in history had it produced so little and had economy based on paper rather than hard labor.

You cannot compare the great recession with what is happening today, US was able to install programmes that helped restore their economy and sustain the population, right now they cant afford that.
Sokrates   
13 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

The devastation of WWII didn't changed those basic facts....so the rebuilding had a good foundation already!

Actually your rebuilding had nothing to do with you being skilled or disciplined (which as a nation you are it just didnt play any serious factor here) but with US pumping money into your Western larger part for obvious reasons, if they did not you'd be around todays level Poland.

Skill or hard work alone wont do much if you dont have the funds to start with.

The position of Germany at the turn of the century was even higher than now. Germany was leading at all scientific, researching fronts...

They even invented tanks! Oh wait ...

The American economy bounced back from the worst vicissitudes of the recession.

Which was quite a bit different than it is today.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

Morel specifically targeted the ethnic Germans, there's no doubt about it.

Morel targetted everyone in his camp, how can we discuss if you continue to invent stuff?:)
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
News / Prediction: Poland to be World Superpower in XXI century [147]

Israel-status

Get yourself hated by everyone overnight.

Hasn't this subject been done before?

Yes, by the time i got to US forbidding mighty Poland from building moonbases and powered armor troopers running out of electricity because US death stars destroyed the power plants i was not dissapointed.

An excerpt from the book.

"All of US Battlestars will be destroyed before they manage an orbital counterstrike."

Battlestars are apparently US versions of a death star, sadly Poland wont get to build any but we're gonna own Europe together with Romania and Hungary.

Crow + Star Wars = George Friedman.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

They died because they were Germans...that would be a genocide after MG's definition!

The problem here is whether they were deliberately targetted for extermination or die due to harsh uncaring treatment.

Stalin "genocided" his own people as much as the polish intelligentsia.

Absolutely, i wrote that in the above post.

The murder in Katyn didn't happen so much because those officers were polish but because those men were part of the polish elite!

To be specific it happened because Poles defeated Russia in 1920.

What is worse???

None, i equate mass murder to genocide, the definitions differ but the end result is pretty much the same, i've got mixed feelings about German civilians getting a bullet back then for obvious reasons but whether you call it mass murder or genocide its all the same.

As far as Russia we should call it genocide simply because anything else might be used in the future to downplay the weight of our loss, as you have said our elites bought the farm and quite frankly we still havent recovered and its going to be generations before we pop a new intelectuall class on par with what we had.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

Certainly not. Commies didn't fight nationalities.

And thats puts into perspective your own opinion on how most common Russians are just civilized people rolling along, then you unconsciously go on to repeat whats basically Soviet propaganda of old.

Russia most ceirtanly did fight nationalities, Stalin resettled entire nations in conditions that amount to genocide.

Soviet commies of Polish, Jewish, German, Latvian, Russian nationalities slaughter everybody who stand on their way regardless of their nationalities.

The point of it was that Russia commited genocide against Russians as well, thats not a case of killing "everybody" but targetting a large number of groups based on their national or social membership.

So what was the purpose?

Destroying the Ukrainians wealthy peasant class.

And how about the rest of Russia having famine at the very same time?

For the same reason. The famine was a genocidal operation triggered by forced collectivization and the murder of Kulaks, the goal of it was to starve the peasant class to death since independent food producers were exactly that, independent.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

He was an animal, yes, and according to your definition he must have commited genocide because he killed based on the ethnic group his victims came from

Its not my definition you twat also genocide is a planned extermination with the aim of eliminating a certain group, Morel killed Silesians, Poles and Germans especially since Silesians fell into one of the two categories ethnically.

So, not an "odd German", but mostly German. And not "primarily Polish civilians",

Sorry bud but Silesians were Polish, according to Russians and their local puppets they were not.

So why do you call it murder then?

Because it was not aimed at elimination of any particular group thats for one, and because he worked without consent of the goverment which means the part about "organized" is also false.

Only because Morel was Polish?

Morel was a Polish citizen but for all intents and purposes he was a Jew and didnt identify himself with Poland, he participated in murder of Polish civilians based on their nationality so calling him Polish is a bit of a stretch, a Polish citizen ceirtanly but beyond that he was a Jew.

Inmates maltreated and tortured on purpose until the were dead.

Again you mix mistreatment and murder with delibarete methodical elimination of an entire group, there were no standing orders to Morel (as far as we know) to do this to people, it was tolerated but not encouraged and it didnt lead to or was not aimed as total or partial elimination of any ethnic or political group and that intent makes all the diferrence in most definitions.

For all i care you can call it how you like it, genocide and mass murder are equally bad in my eyes but as far as legal definitions Morel was not guilty of genocide "just" mass murder.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

By the same definition, Morel murdered people indiscriminately but did not attempt to wipe out specific group (he primarily killed Polish civilians but there was an odd German there as well it didnt matter to him that much) so unless you can prove that he was specifically targetting any group within a nation its mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity but not genocide.

Also he killed indiscriminately without any apparent goal, especially without the goal of whiping out any group in particular and without govermental consent there was also no systematic elimination of any group.

The guy was just a nutcase and a murderer but according to most definitions not a genocidal one.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

Get used to it that there are plenty of people out there who do not share your distorted view of history, man! And stop behaving like a 10 year old brat.

I call it as it is, live with it you have no choice.

Then the killing of a group of ten people would be genocide. That's nonsense, and you know it.

What i know is that you repeatedly ignore or willingly misinterpret facts to put Poland in negative light whenever you can and when i call you a biased uneducated prick you squirm like a princess fed cow dung, grow a pair of nuts if you cant grow a brain.

And yes killing 10 people that constitute a specific group (doctors, soldiers, teachers) based on their ethnicity is genocide if its calculated on wiping that group out completely.

It was mass-murder, not genocide at Katyn.

It was genocide, neither genocide definition is not defined by numbers killed but by group inclusion and the size of the group.

If a nation has a group of 3 veterinarians and you want to wipe out said nations 3 veterinarians thats still genocide because you've been working towards an eradication of a group based on its nationality.

The Polish officers were a national group and their killing was ethnic and social based so it fits all the points of the definition.

It was genocide and mass murder since it fits both definitions perfectly.
Sokrates   
12 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

It was murder, but not genocide.

You sir are an anti-Polish idiot, your repeated statements meant to belittle Polish achievements and generally sell Poland as insignificant betray the fact that you're nothing short of a little prejudiced fvck.

Quote Wikipedia:
"...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such..."

You imply that the Soviets wanted to exterminate the Poles as a national group. Was that really their intent in Katyn?

As i said before you're an idiot, read the definition again, extermination of any group based on its nationality is genocide.

It doesnt need to be murder of all Poles just any group based on their ethnicity but of course you wanted to turn this one around too didnt you? I'm starting to think you really are a sockpuppet of one of those anti-Polish fvcks who pester us here from time to timel.
Sokrates   
24 Aug 2009
History / WOULD EUROPE BE SAFER IF ŚLĄSK, SCOTLAND ET AL WERE FREE? [22]

The times that minorities and their regions were bloodily suppressed by the nation states fearing their cohesion should behind us now....I think...

Which is why i singled out Scotland, they're not a minority they're a nation, if they want to be free from England let 'em.

Silesian claim just pisses me off though, greedy jewish fvcks the lot of them.
Sokrates   
24 Aug 2009
History / WOULD EUROPE BE SAFER IF ŚLĄSK, SCOTLAND ET AL WERE FREE? [22]

This could include Corsica, Wales, Silesia, Basque country, Scotland, Northern Italy and possiobly others.

Virtually all you mentioned (except Scotland) have no real claim to independence and no Europe would be bloody destabilized.

Free Silesia would mean huge economical difficulties for both Poland AND Silesia

No actually it would mean huge economic difficulties for Poland and MASSIVE income for Silesia, the only claim those bastards have is that they're greedy fvcks and autonomy would grant them mountains of money.

Furthermore, at least 50% of people living in Silesia are Poles

92% to be exact, the majority of Silesians when ask in a survey ticked "Silesian" and "Polish" or just "Polish", only 5% ticked "Silesian" only or other posibility.

I would also vote for Hessen flag, turned upside down ;)

Hessen got its flag wrong!
Sokrates   
10 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

You don't know anything about her life, why be judgemental?

Quite a lot, she's from a small town - check. Moved abroad early to make a living - check. Dates a foreigner - check. Spoke derisively about Polish men - check.

I'm not judging her, i can be wrong ofc (though im prolly not) i'm just using her as a handy example of small town golddiggers that about especially in Eastern Poland.

Leave britney alone!!!!

That was one disturbing youtube contribution right there.
Sokrates   
10 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

of a typical Polish village girl.

A typical Polish girl is not a mindless monkey, speaking english is not rocket science, i've been beating this horse but she's from a low income small town, probably poor family, she grabbed the first foreigner she could and from that they on looks down on Polish men since its a social advance in her eyes.

Justysias is as perfect stereotype of a village girl as you can find, simple, gold digging and with a set of principles that include 1. move abroad. 2 marry a foreigner. 3. preferrably with money. 4. get back home sometime to enjoy the jelous looks of others.

Mind you she's not the only one on these boards she's just the most obvious and extreme example and like you said you read only a few of her posts.

If you want to get into negative traits then you have all the justysias from some god forsaken holes in Poland searching for their one true "love" abroad, sometimes they get gold and date a white guy but whenever you see a white girl with some black, asian or other type of paki you've got a 50% chance its a Polish girl, they'll date stuff that most white English girls wont touch just because it has a passport.
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

The culture has also produced many 'role models' of success in different fields.

Like what? Britney Spears? An average american teenager is a dumb unambitious often obese creature, the closest single word to describe Americans is cattle, these people are not concerned with goals or success, there is a small elite group that goes to private schools etc but they're a minority.

Wtf..do I really have to waste my time and energy arguing something that even many Poles admit themselves is true? Read a history book.

If we're basing off history then Poles never lost hope, never gave up and never backed down, how is that negative?

As for ambition, the only ambition issues we have in our relationship is that she's earning twice as much as i do which hurts a bloody lot.
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

In the States, for example, the culture strongly encourages ambition and individualism.

Really? I've been to the States multiple times and i'd say the culture creates a cult of following, kills individuality and the middle class has no ambition, in fact US middle class lives their whole lives in cheap suburb houses watching telly.

it means that a lot of American girls have fun, sassy, bold characters.

Have you even been to US? A lot of American girls are fat, a crushing majority are also sluts who had multiple sexual partners by 17.

the culture produces an inferiority complex and a rather more pessimistic attitude

Could you explain how does it produce such attitude?:)

Although they smile a lot, the girls tend to have passive, often boring characters

How do these passive boring characters show off?

I like independent girls who see themselves as individuals and aren't too influenced by their culture

Personally i can see you're talking out of your arse no offence meant :)
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

well thats a sweeping statement as i bet you've never even spoken to many of the girls on the forum!!!

I stand corrected, the girls i've read multiple times are common as muck, that means Justysia and Wyspianska, the first is a classical Polish "village girl" and the other is the classical stuck up who thinks she's hot.

you cannot judge who is average and who is not unless you have talked to them over the forums on a regular basis or by PM.

But i can read their posts and judge them by that, who we are shows by how we express, both of them fit certain negative and common stereotypes.

Your making 'BIG' assumptions here

Ever occurred to you that certain kinds of girls would not be amused by this forum while others might come here for specific reasons?:)
Sokrates   
9 Aug 2009
Love / Polish Girls negative or positive personality trait? [267]

I'd say that the average Pole I have met have been more honest than the average person from other countries.

I say you're lying.

I've been living in Poland over 7 years and I've recently been going only for hot, stylish, confident, intelligent-looking women.

Question is were they going for you?

With more 'average' girls

The only non-average girl on these boards is Shelly who's from some barbaric hellhole in UK, she's downright awesome as far as personality goes (no idea about her ass tho), everything else on these boards is common as muck, especially the Polish ones.
Sokrates   
6 Aug 2009
History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

poles like to think that they fight against the Germans but some poles enjoy doing barbecues.

I murder Jews daily, got my private gas chamber, in go the Jews, then i stick my ass through the window, fart and listen to the screams.

My...how brutal!

Prussians werent brutal towards Poles, well not Nazi brutal anyway but still you tried to take away our lands and culture and you wonder why arent we happy little germanizer bunny.