UK, Ireland / UK: How to create a perfect scapegoat? [54]

I think you meant the guy that was burning poppies ;-)

I don't want to take the thread in a totally different direction, so I won't say what I think should have happened to chap you refer too.


You're quite right and that has always been my argument although I do think that five years is a point where foreigners could maybe start claiming certain benefits.

I always thought that twleve months was far too short a time. Three months is almost as though those behind such ideas actually want to cause trouble.

Someone that has lived here from birth and worked for many years will fall on hard times and be declined for some benefit or other while someone else speaks through a translator and gets money thrown at them.

It only takes a single British person without children to need the help of the state and be compared against someone fresh from the boat with a pregnant wife and two children to see how unfair the system can be.

One day, it will all kick-off and it will start in a housing office, job centre, benefits office or similar.

When that day comes I'll be glad to be white, have a British passport with a British town under "place of birth" and have an English accent. Everyone else take cover !

UK, Ireland / UK: How to create a perfect scapegoat? [54]


I actually haven't posted on here for some months, so you have a very good memory :-)

I think that a person's record of NI and tax (of that of the parents in the case of very young adults) should be taken into consideration when a claim is made for benefits.

The more that is paid in, the more help that is available if is needed.

A foreigner from an EU country that has lived here for a year and probably paid less than five grand in tax and NI (maybe more if part of a couple, but still very little) can claim for child benefit, housing benefit, council tax benefit and maybe even be in a council house etc while sending their children to state schools and using the NHS ! It is is a joke and an insult !

Similarly a pregnant British teenager that comes from a family where no one has worked in the last twenty odd years getting the same is almost as bad (I say almost as I would expect a British born citizen to have a basic entitlement).

The system stinks.

UK, Ireland / UK: How to create a perfect scapegoat? [54]


I doubt very much that is being enforced and if it was then I am sure that the "human rights" brigade would be banging their drums.

The French tried to do similar and look at the hoo-har that caused !


I wouldn't go that far but it should be based on what has been paid in.

Three months of NI and tax is nothing.

UK, Ireland / UK: How to create a perfect scapegoat? [54]


Three months is nothing !

Increase it to five years and then see how many come here.

UK, Ireland / Do East-Central European migrants in the UK differ? [16]


That's good to know :)


Does he ? (Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic)

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]


"Social housing" ? It's still a council estate, love, regardless of what you change the name too.

The phrase that springs to mind is a popular one up North I believe and that's "you can't polish a turd!"

Not all teens on the council estates are single-mums but most teen single-mums are from the council estates. They drag up brats that will just be the next generation of teenage parents.

UK, Ireland / Work in any office in England without any degree? [11]

I agree ! I'm sick of my tax being spent on interpreters and translations for various leaflets as well as diversity training and other similar bo**ocks !

UK, Ireland / Do East-Central European migrants in the UK differ? [16]

I meant that all they come here is for the cash, which is why they don't integrate or care about their surroundings. It's all about the cash; ideally free cash in the form of state handouts.

UK, Ireland / Britain's youngest mum gave birth at 12 [70]


It's the norm on chav estates populated by the uneducated.

UK, Ireland / Do East-Central European migrants in the UK differ? [16]


I tend to lump them together ie. they're all pretty much just here for the cash.

Law / Non-EU, wanting to marry a Pole, living in Germany, confused with visa & citizenship [7]


Of course you are ! Why else do foreigners marry one another !

I've not been on PF for a while and it's nice to see that some things never change here ie. someone registers to make their first post one about how best to go about a sham marriage :-)

UK, Ireland / Missing Polish woman found murdered in Chesterton, UK [27]


One way or another quite a few Polish people visiting/living in the UK seem to end up dead, so I would have thought that was worthy of discussion.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]

My expectation is for a system that is fair and for a system that works and puts British people first.

I don't see that as a "great" expectation as such, more of just a reasonable one.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]

I seem to see more what ..... ?

UK, Ireland / Oxford Polish bride 'heartbroken' over arrest - accusations of sham marriage [126]


What utter rubbish !

How do we gain by allowing people to essentially con their way into the country ? What's the guy getting married for a passport actually going to give us that's of benefit ?

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people moving back home from the UK? [68]


It's not just a Polish thing, but as there are more of them than there are of the others, it's mainly a Polish thing.


I don't now and have never worked in McDonalds.

Banks do not "co-operate inside Europe". If someone leaves the UK owing money, the bank aren't going to go running after them unless they owe enough to make it worth their while.

The most they could probably do is sell the debt to a Polish debt collector, but that would depend on whether or not they knew where the debtor had run off too. Often they just disappear to another part of the UK.

A lot of foreigners (including the Polish) come to the UK to rip us off. And the stupid thing is, is that we let them do it.

I've spoken to way too many Polish people that owe £1000s on credit cards, loans and overdrafts many don't care. As long as there is enough left on their limit for an Easyjet flight away from it all, they don't bother themselves too much with it. Most pretend that they don't speak English or that say that he/she has gone back to Poland and left their phone behind and they're not the person we're looking for.

Most can max a credit card out in six weeks and they all know exactly what they are doing.

UK, Ireland / Oxford Polish bride 'heartbroken' over arrest - accusations of sham marriage [126]

If getting married made bugger all difference to a person's legal right to stay in the UK, we'd soon see how many of these idiots can't live without each other.

UK, Ireland / Are Polish people moving back home from the UK? [68]


I work in debt recovery and have previously worked in credit card fraud and, unfortunately, the above is true.

UK banks should only lend money to people with British passports and not touch foreigners with a barge pole. The risk is too high.


The system is so full of holes, it's barely fit for purpose.

UK, Ireland / Polish living in UK wants to divorce Polish husband [13]


You'll have to forgive a certain amount of cynicism on here when it comes to threads about marital problems as there have been loads already, most probably made up.

If not made up, they tend to follow a pattern: "I'm worried he married me just to stay in the country and now he's f****d off, what do I do ?!"

I think you're going to have to put your hand in your pocket and hire a lawyer.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]


I might well do that. I'm wondering if she will now move away. She (Celia Barlow) didn't live here prior to being elected in 2005. She probably doesn't have a reason to stick around now, unless she is hoping all these deals come to nothing in the end and we have to have another election.


We don't have a "problem" as you put it (well I don't as such), but many do have an issue with how things work.

This guy means (if I read him right) that while they cannot do anything about controlling the numbers of EU immigrants coming here to look for work, they can try and prevent them being entitled to so much in the way of benefits and so on. That way the UK gets seen as less of a cash-cow and the numbers coming reduce themselves.

It could be political BS, but once he is up and running, I shall be finding out just what he plans to do for real.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]


How so ? Bearing in mind this information came from a Parliamentary candidate (one that was subsequently elected), I'd hope he would be in possession of the facts.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]


A couple of weeks or so ago I emailed the Tory candidate for Hove (now the Tory MP) about a few things, including immigration and he said:

"Where we are now though is that it would be illegal for us to stop EU migration. I am a firm believer in freedom of movement of workforce but I do not believe those coming speculatively to UK should be getting benefits whilst they look for work. If I am elected, this will one of the first areas i am going to try and find a way to adjust the rules. Yes to beneficial immigration. No to persons coming speculatively and claiming benefits."

I'll give him a week or two to settle in and will then write to him to see what he plans to do to help "adjust the rules" !

UK, Ireland / Polish living in UK wants to divorce Polish husband [13]


You've got no real idea if what someone says on the internet will work in your situation or be reliable.

If she wants a divorce, then her best bet would be go to Poland and speak to a Polish lawyer.

UK, Ireland / I have concerns over the British immigration policy so I wrote to my MP. [126]


And partly as a result of her rubbish response, I didn't vote for her yesterday and contributed to her getting kicked out !

Hooray ! I'm so pleased !

UK, Ireland / Polish living in UK wants to divorce Polish husband [13]

Beats me why people ask such involved questions on an internet forum.

UK, Ireland / Let's discuss Polish and British, only constructive (though we will digress) [60]


Unless the Government take action to limit the numbers and calm things down a bit, I don't see things changing.

For as long as the Polish (or anyone from another country for that matter) can come here for purely economic reasons and end up better off from "The System" than many British people, it will never work.

I'm a great fan of fair play and more British people are too. Uncontrolled and unlimited immigration is not fair.

I hope that once the cuts start and the benefit money starts to run out and people have to come to the UK for more reasons than just money, things might start to change.

The only way immigration will work is for there to be less immigrants (and I'm not saying no immigrants at all) and for there to be less of a strain on local resources. The longer that the British are made to feel almost in competition with the Polish and others, the longer we will be poles apart (if you pardon the pun).

UK, Ireland / Help for Poles based in Uk who want to go bankrupt [18]

What is your experience of Polish people that have run up huge debts whilst living here ?

I work in collections for a UK bank the numbers of Eastern Europeans we are chasing for money is rising and rising fast

If a foreign national goes bankrupt they should be kicked out of the UK on their way back from the bankruptcy hearing.

UK, Ireland / Considering opening a Polish restaurant in the UK. [9]


Don't put yourself in charge of writing the menu or anything to do with the signage outside ;-)

UK, Ireland / No job unless you're Polish [201]


Indeed you don't. I think that it should be five years of tax and NI before anyone can start claiming state benefits and that those that are too young to have paid in should have the record of their parents taken into consideration.

From what I understand, the current qualification for benefits is 12 months of tax and NI for foreign nationals from EU countries and that this is going to be reduced to just 3 months !!!!

The whole business of benefits is a farce from beginning to end. There just isn't the money to pay for it anymore. Hopefully the Tories will get in and end some of this current pantomime.


I'm glad that you don't get taken in by such nonsense. It should be the best person for the job at the end of the day and it makes a nice change to hear of a boss with a 100% British workforce.

I don't care about a person's ethnic background, but I think that someone that is British through birth (of whatever skin colour) should have a better chance of a job than someone that is fresh off the boat.

As for the guys in the Asda pig factory, well they're probably being screwed over in some way or other, but it doesn't make it right that the job advert "accidentally" asked for Polish people only.

They may conduct the health and safety training in Polish, but if they ever needed to ring 999 it wouldn't be answered in Polish would it ??!!

This is just pandering to the notion that it is somehow ok not to learn the language of the country that you are living in. Learn the language or bugger off !! It's a simple as that !!

And yes the same goes for English people living in Spain that should speak Spanish to a decent level before anyone starts........

UK, Ireland / Marrying Polish Woman in UK/London [100]


That's a rather daft and unhelpful comment. Of course she will get the required injections, malaria tablets etc. You make it sound like it is something sinister.

I've been to India and had all that shots as you call them. Visiting India is a real experience and one I hope to repeat.