News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Computers can only do what you ask them to do. There is a term called "garbage in - garbage out" in computers. Its the policy I am talking about, not the functioning of that policy, or the errors or databases.


That is a confusing statement really. Not because I don't understand it, but no ones really does when a conversation or analysis happens in some seminar etc. There is a need to be more specific. We are not really open and warm arms you know ... but the policies only work to bring in the bad and keep out the good ... this is the major problem.


Those certain types are not confined to a race. Infact its a mindset, and thats why students (in their formative minds) are preferred. In this way, you get people who 90% of times integrate. Atleast all those I were friend with did. Its not uncommon ... plus those who don't come to study but run to UK from here come with false age and false report cards through AGENTS ... Agents are the problem ... otherwise there are some real good people out there who contribute to the economy, and not only that but on a personal level come with a basic human right to be with someone they want to be.

Its not about a "type" that can be identified so simply ... that "type" can come from USA too ...

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


Exactly ... wrong type of people shouldn't come. I actually attended a seminar where I gave some points, which was infact appreciated with many Indian, Egyptian and other races Europeans who were educated and living a nice life.

I am not pro-blind-immigration. But pro-immigration with some reform in the process. This is what I am in favor of: Ideas for constructive Immigration methods for Poland.


About asylum seekers you are saying? ... Well, we took asylum in many places including Iran and India. You can search google and find the clubs of people sharing their memories or pictures of their relatives or themselves once in those places as asylum seekers. Infact there are some places in India with small Polish population, same in Iran.

Anyways ... still we just cannot let every one in. There must be a solid reason of persecution ... proof etc. Those who check don't really check enough. Plus the records must be checked and seen if the person's mental status or character is good. Plus, there must be a strict health checkup where any contagious disease cannot be allowed. I am not talking about physical disability or downs syndrome here ... those are exceptional and have all respect to those parents who have such children, and I myself volunteer to support.


Umm ... I think those villages or small areas you are talking about have never seen a foreigner specially of different color. This is natural to stare or look ... or to wonder ... even doubt. Won't you agree?

However, I think they become very friendly too later on when they get to know these people ... but hoards and hoards of them don't really go to those places.

There is a man I know who got married into a girl from such small village like place. He used to be the only foreigner for some people to see ... but later they were kind to him and still are fine as long as their girl is happy ofcourse :D ... but they got children and it seems all is OK.

Don't translate a stare or surprise ... curiosity into something violent etc...

Love / In Polish relationships who is the boss? [46]

You need to read that thing again ..

Anyway, as to your question ... yes women like being heard, specially when they realize that their men love them. Its not a bad feeling to the man either, that is, to listen to the wife ... there is a joy when she CLAIMS ...

However, its not really about everything. The small things rather ... eventually the wives do like to see their men taking charge of the bigger things in life. I am talking about normal families, not those where everyone loves to rebel whatever is the situation infront of them...

Love / In Polish relationships who is the boss? [46]

There is no real boss in Polish relationships ... however, the women seem to prefer the men having a spine.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


I think this topic is more about France than Poland ... so I am surprised you bring this in :)

In any condition, as you have brought this topic ... I would like to tell you that we have a sound judiciary to handle such things. Our political arena do not support or show doubts when justice must be done. Our people do not feel sympathetic to such fiends...

However, recently what was shown about the French was not very positive. You will have criminals among you, but to really give them special support or benefit of the doubt makes it the "bad part".

Certainly people are becoming more aware in Poland, and our ideals do not correlate with people who are criminals. Such people can be there always, but the reaction of the political arena, the judiciary and the people shows the nation's integrity.

If you read more info, Poles have rejected him.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Don't worry topic starter, we don't want to let Strauss Kahns and Sarkozys appearing on the Polish arena ... we're going to give them better checks and we're gonna foster better integrity ... the maids of New York and the models of Europe are safe from Polish predators.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

There are those who care ... and they live in peace.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


No matter what you did ... you still escaped that declaration of marriage. This makes you a person with doubt.

Tell me why if everything is there between you two that you didn't get married? What kept you away from marriage? Fear? Hatred towards this institution (and why that?)? Some hidden doubt against each other? Keep looking still?

No, you can bring in lots of wits but you cannot beat that. Marriage is marriage and it cannot be replaced by anything else. You can keep saying I got everything, a house - a car - a this and a that ... but all this cannot constitute a home ... even though they can make it into a house.

You were not given the explanation by the right people for marriage. Had that happened, today we would not be arguing on something so simple to understand.

A marriage is a way two people unite into one, and keeping the community alive. This is the process by which two souls become one ... did it ever cross your mind that you would live with him and his essence even had he just passed away tomorrow?

Those are very deep feelings ... and they get deeper and more confident with marriage. Lets say that you are having everything (or think you are having), but still nothing is yours truly...


Just trying not to generalize.


Yes ... matures ... evolves ... like the weathers...

My dad once told me what his dad told him when he saw my grandfather kiss my grandma a year before her died. It was a bit funny ... because they were being romantic at that age (he died when he was 83). He said that when you love someone, love matures. You don't just love her youth, but her aging days... all her days you find her new, and fall in love with each of her colors ... each of her seasons ... and never look back with an attitude that you lost those days, but with an attitude that those days were so much good, but cannot compare to the current day, because the current day is too unique to be compared :) ...

Well its longer than that, but I tried to put it in a nutshell. My dad said these things to me when I were supposed to know. His dad told him because he should know at that age ...

When I did model for a suiting company ... the concern of my mom was that I would not remain in favor of my family values which we have uphold since a long time (forefathers, and we are a good dynasty). I did think of such stuff as perhaps not necessary. However, they were not unacceptable in my heart either (I mean the marriage). I did prefer waiting for someone special, and when she came along, I somehow knew inside of me that I wanted this to be a marriage. By belief in marriage was firm since then.

I don't blame anybody if they think differently. All I am saying is what I firmly believe in ... and I have seen proper marriages in their fullness to be quite successful. They give way to families, and families are important.

Thats my idea of life ... and I would like to give my views to my children. Lets see what my father's grandsons think about them :). I will try never to tell anyone anything that I did myself not follow. Surely.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


My intentions were correct, but my English might not be impeccable, I am not an Englishman.

As for the meaning of what I said: I meant that being on someone's bed for free of responsibility, free of a official, noteworthy relationship ... free of rights and free of respect ... is not praiseworthy. It is free of the magnitude of what makes a couple truly one.


I wear blinkers?

I see a marriage and its place. People's lives would be good had they chose their partners not on the basis of the exterior, and not just for their immediate need. But they would choose someone educated, caring, responsible ... through a walk or a talk or a little bit of time (maybe a year or two) of knowing each other, behavior and lifestyle.

Then ofcourse, consult each others parents. If there is a race or language or religious difference, then explain the parents with logic and reasoning why this marriage can also be a successful one.

Then, parents of such children are usually never so rigid when they realize that the boy or girl is someone who is a family-type and can raise a home together. They do allow, always.

But then those parents who make chaos on racist or other such matters ... without considering any logic or reasoning, are parents whose children often don't really care ... or are always derailed.

There is a process and structure to every phenomena. Marriage is a phenomena with a structure and a process. Just the word "MARRIAGE" certainly don't mean anything without its total structure and process. Something which you repeatedly don't understand (or try not to understand).


Again, as I mentioned... you do not want to or try to understand what the concept of marriage really means.

Unhappy marriage are often sometimes self creations. Honesty and love remains there but with time it must also evolve ... 20s it behaves differently, then in 30s its different ... these things are stuff that my mom and dad taught me, and I await to evolve with my relationship. While doing well in my career is also a great testimony of their efforts. It is very important to have a parent who can lead by example, and even FOR THAT, MARRIAGE BECOMES IMPORTANT. Had they not been a proper couple, I would perhaps find it difficult to understand the concept of marriage.

YOU ALWAYS MUST WORK HARD AND REMAIN ALERT at every point in your life ... whether work, raising a child, or your marriage. This world is a world of tests and issues, in which the spouses hold each others hands and cross every line. Keeping and guarding their honesty, love, responsibilities and their future.

Petty things, little quarrels, a little anger ... maybe sometimes more ... but then they together eventually sit and sought it out as they know that together is their world ... and they never disrespect each other ... and always come to each others support and defenses ... no matter what.

If I make no sense ... then lets not bother beyond it. For such things to make sense, words are not always enough.

Take care.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]

For then nothing can be beyond racial superiority or inferiority ... or perversion of good values and positive feelings. You will notice ... its always the same.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


Such people are living a hallucination. They are afraid of responsibilities, and once it comes infront of them they discover their internal disability and run away from it. They don't really look for a soulmate or a life partner, all they want is a free bed mate ... or something very un-family. You call it freelife? ... I call it misuse of liberty.


You can very well disagree. I have no objection ... but your disagreement do not convert a wrong into a right.

Its not the right process because it lags the soul of "Love", which is devotion, commitment, responsibility, union and being a "unit". Marriage is a great institution which is devised to bring God in the spiritual sense into a union ... and also in the psychological sense it brings a known and declared commitment, also proves the couples resolve for being responsible to carry on this great support system between each other.

Marriage is also a legal bonding between a man and a woman which helps their rights and the rights of the child.

Marriage is also a great education for the child to know how to conduct himself in life. To know that with the great gift of love, comes the responsibility with it. To know what a family is, how it must work, how it is defined, and how he can grow up and make one of his own. The child can see its mother and father together, a single unit, a parent ... a complete family. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I am not being religion here. I am all in favor of inter-religious marriage too. My own wife is a Buddhist and I am not. But the institution is vital, universal and holy (its followed in every proper and matured civilization). It is something very significant for humans.


It means you are resisting the concept of taking your partners, and this relationships RESPONSIBILITY officially and ceremoniously. Why not? There is a big doubt and it is thus, not love ... but just fulfilling lust.


Marriage is that commitment and that responsibility ... it is a great institution. Just because you call it bullshit, overrated, or any other name ... doesn't make it something less. Only makes you a very ignorant person against it. If you don't like it, stay out of it. No one is forcing... its just about opinions ... and about values. You don't like it, don't take it. Be on someones bed for free no problem.


It has alot ... but being married don't only mean a cake or a dance ... or a dress or a feast. It means much more ... it means the carrying out of it. This one is missed or maybe unknown to you?

So please don't try to tarnish its reality only because you don't know what MARRIAGE actually means in its entirely. Its not a "stage show" which many do and then suffer.


Marriage is about Love, it is about responsibility, value, commitment, rights (yes, it is also included), spirituality, sanctity and devotion ... it is the conversion of two into one.


So this clearly confirms my point. Its a lustful thing, selfish and self centered - this FREESTYLE WESTERN CONCEPT OF LIVEINS without marriage. Its spreading, but it will fall on its face with or a very desolate future awaits for those who follow.

GO AHEAD ... your life at the end of the day.


And stay happy ... but just be with drug and with drowsy eyes say "oh I feel coool".


That is the correct truth :) ...

But how to explain people who meet only the wrong ones in a strip club or perhaps a Polish construction worker and then think the whole of Poland is like that.

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As for the topic ... the mother in right in her place. She is disgusted ... and the topic poster can be assured that this mother will not abandon her daughter ... although the daughter certainly did puncture her heart.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


My whole family was very happy when my sister said that she was interested in marrying a man WHO WAS POLISH ... my whole family including me were very happy about it. This man is a good man, and he still loves her, and they have wonderful children. We still REMAIN happy about it.

I wish we do in future, all in the Lords hand.

Anyways, it do not matter. Midas is a Polish hater, and all the Polish he knows are some labors or workers he uses for getting contracts and business. Nothing beyond it. His mind is limited to that only.

There are Polish girls who decide to marry men of good education and behavior from Eastern countries like India or Bangladesh or North African country too ... I didn't see Polish mother's cry and weep (yes sometimes they are nervous, but they demand to meet the boy and this is logical).

I think all the mother wants is a good married life of their daughter. Provided it is a good mother ... and not a gold digger which can be in any country or culture (including west Europe) ...

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


You are so fast in grabbing that one up ... :) ... give a little time for me to answer.


No.


Maybe about everything else ... not in doing such a deed, its below even low standards and morals in the concept of family and society. Its a great work of man and woman, that is to build a healthy and functioning family which would give way to a community and a society. To deny this responsibility, and infact to harm or move away from it, to reject it ... is definitely not a respectable or honorable thing to do.

By saying this I am not stopping anyone. Everyone is and should be free to choose. But its surely not something I have seen to work in the proper way a well selected and maintained marriage does.

High standards and morals also involve taking care of the spouse, being understanding, honest, loving and integrate each others family into a good and healthy family circle. This must continue in all stages of life, youth, middle, old and then the spirit. This is true and proper marriage. Certainly in between there can be anger, few screams, maybe a tear ... but never they come because honesty or love was compromised ... but because of petty matters which occur in life.

A strong marriage is the marriage I am talking about. Not the one done to show off.


This is an institution, for any clarification. It is not "valued", but it is a "value" a "blessing" ... a declaration ... a commitment ... responsibility ... right ... honor and an act of CONFIDENCE. I say "WHY NOT?" ... what is the problem? ...

Millions of people take drugs everyday ... it doesn't make it right.


Did I say that?

Unless it comes from a person's own understanding and heart ... state sanctions of anything of that kind is useless. In any condition I am in favor of freedom to all ... I live on a balance, you don't need to think in extremes only :).

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


Men and women both.


But with time came civilization. This is the righteous and proper way to consummation ... those who do not follow are primitive, just like those who were there in the dawn of mankind.


I mentioned it. If this is so, I can again understand the mother's pain.


I think young couples ought to be more responsible with their behavior than that. Getting married is not such a bondage that it will hamper prosperity and progress in life. People make it what it is actually not. It is actually a great support system ... but ofcourse, had the couple been in love they would know that this commitment was special and would come naturally. But lust is another thing ...


No I don't. I think I have formed my sentences correctly for anyone with education to understand that I do not make it seem what is not true.


Not JUST a boyfriend ... but she sleeps with him, and there is no marriage around... and its like a reckless lifestyle some youths these days adopt.

Its a mother's pain which spoke. I can guarantee that this mother will not abandon her ... mothers are MOTHERS ... maybe she is upset and very heartbroken, but she will not abandon her completely. Although the daughter did abandon her values ... and in future she will certainly know what wrong she did. Not very distant future. At that time she will sit with a cat and switch on the notebook, give advices to people ... go to church ... start acting like as though she were some saint. BUT TO NO AVAIL ... only feel deprived for the remaining part of her life, no matter how much money she have around her.

Relationships not only need to be formed, but also maintained and preserved ... they are not playthings ... they are not so less important that they can come after everything else. No problem is so big that one cannot wait till marriage, or if wait is not possible ... then simply marry.

If all these things go above your head ... then its just not your thing ... but doesn't mean you can call names on a mother for things that goes between her and her daughter.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


No ... I think I can understand her much better than you do. I would be surprised if Magdalena doesn't.

But then, it depends of the family and the brought-up. It is to be remembered that not every Pole has been given the same values ... we differ with families and personal choices as well.

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


I think her momma is a person of values and pure sentiments. She values the institution of marriage, and wished her daughter to be with a man who would not shy away from taking the honor of this responsibility with confidence.

There is a limit to becoming rebellion or westernized. Marriage to British or even German or anyplace is the world would not be the concern here, I think the concern is simply about her choice of not being in a marriage. Had this daughter respected her mother, or had any respect for herself ... she would not be with a man who is in a relationship of sleeping with her ... its a very disturbing form of relationship in my view. Its something which increasing number of Poles are getting afflicted, I do accept... but still there are families which do not have it among them ... these are families with values and legacy ...

Love / My Polish girlfriend's mother called her a prostitute because we live together [113]


huh?

She will never be truly happy without her mum's blessings or love ... the mum disowned her it seems.

By the way ... Midas is the SICK Psychopath of the Forum who is out there to be racist against Poles and insult on every occasion.


Your solution is that you MARRY your girlfriend, if you cannot, then her mum is partially correct.

Why she chose a man who is not confident or responsible enough for her to get married?

If she is the reason why there is no marriage, then I guess her mum deserves to live her last days in peace by forgetting her. If that is what she wants ..

Life / What do Poles think of Indians? [35]

They have good music ...

I have some friends from India, and they are keen on education, plus they try and integrate well. I have heard in West Europe, UK, they do not integrate as well. But in Poland they do somehow ... I dunno how?

However, the Indians here, the students mostly, are mostly on a process to becoming Polonized :), with their children being half Polish and their spouses being Pole.

They usually start businesses, food, or other service related industries.

I would include Bangladesh people in the same group and you are previously (historically) same people, right?

I have only befriended the good folks, if any of them are being a pain here, I am not aware but then it is not my business (government will handle).

Love / I need advice: divorce and my rights as a father in Poland [165]


Hey he might be a black South African you now ... then I am sure you would have a different opinion as per usual :)

Love / 12 years of marriage my Polish wife still doubts me [74]

Never saw the poster again ... seems like things got better? ... perhaps he went to the vacation he was so excited about ... a suggestion from the wise ones of PF :D ...

Life / What on earth is the fascination of Indians, Pakistanis and Nepalese with Poland? [112]

Stu and others ... I would also like to wonder "What on earth is the facination of UK, USA, Autralians and other Western folks with Poland?" ... is it because they want someone who would be "grateful"? ... somehow a "facination, a day dream" drives them here? ... what drove you here? Business? Scam are you? ... You can be too ... ya know ... anyone can... it is not something which goes by color or race you see. These days its not uncommon to get emails of scammers from UK or other parts of Europe aswell. Lets not forget the biggest scammers in case of dates and relationships being that of Russia (not an African nation).

Work / part-time job in Poland needs work permit? [40]

Students should be given work permits by default. This demand is there in Poland and it is an issue to look out for in the near future. I can tell you that the future is better in this regard.

Love / Goal: Meet a nice Polish girl! [60]

You will meet Polish girl ... nice or not depends on you and your luck.

There are many kinds of Polish girls (just like everyone else) ... I don't know which ones most frequently meet those middle aged, rich man from a rich country. You need to discover yourself about your experience ...

Do inform what happened next ...

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


Its worse then a Nazi ... its a pest who even the Nazi would despise at first sight :D ...

I am just too happy these things left our country :) ... but sorry for USA :( ...

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


Its a HE ... its a Pole ... and its someone who belongs to a class and standard of people who think with reason and with compassion.

News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]


I think you need to be put into some isolated prison, away from civilization ... where researchers would run tests on your, so that they can know how to explain what makes people like you psychologically so unstable and violent, and how to NOT LET the future generation have any such people of your kind. It will benefit Poles and the entire mankind. :)

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


Lock yourself up in a room and be against it ... it doesn't matter ... you will not be able to step a reasonable level of it :)


Its foolish, nothing else. Otherwise perfectly noticeable ... that you are up to no good :)

UK, Ireland / A South African moving to Poland with Polish wife- we live in London. Excited and scared. [27]


I've worked in the clothing industry. Where will you import from?... any plans? On the basis of that I can suggest.

Also what will you import? - Knitwear, woven or sweaters or others? ... which end? ... Do you know how you will market them?

You cannot just wake up one morning and say "I wanna import and make money" :)


Me too... also Mr. Nelson Mandela ... and then there are other good people. They are good in almost every sport. I mean, they can play any of the many kinds of sport.

In South Africa, as they say, "Its Possible" :D

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


Look enough said ... I think think your views are forward looking.

My country, my policies ... and my vote counts. Plus, I have decent friends from other countries and none swipe floors. They are doing good work and contributing positively to Poland.

I don't think that if you go Estonia you will find many Russians being Estonianized ... and same are in many other parts.

Stop those rants ... or continue in your country which is probably USA or some other place where you are creating havoc. Had you any love for Poland, you would love its wishes and its freedom. It's people have a history of being better than what you want it to become with your ideals.

Sorry to say but we will not be a SHUT DOWN foolish state ... and will integrate with the world and would like to see a little diversity too like the rest of the developed world. You don't like it? ... then find a country which is run by some Hitler and stay there :) ... simple.

Life / IS Poland in danger of becoming the next multi cultural sink hole? [201]


Why only Ethnic food ... but also some ethnicity :) ... it looks so nice ... but ofcourse, with proper policies, proper people ... and there are many who love it :)