jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]
What part of ''eloquently told her he did not agree" don't you understand?
What part of ''eloquently told her he did not agree" don't you understand?
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
So people who live here can't make observations now? Perhaps you want us to apply for permission from the Sejm before speaking. Why not have a look at fora for Poles who've moved to the UK (which of course you are yourself) and tell them they shouldn't comment on what they see around them.
Mind you, your snippily defensive post does rather confirm some of what has been said here.....
So people who live here can't make observations now? Perhaps you want us to apply for permission from the Sejm before speaking. Why not have a look at fora for Poles who've moved to the UK (which of course you are yourself) and tell them they shouldn't comment on what they see around them.
Mind you, your snippily defensive post does rather confirm some of what has been said here.....
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
It's a little more complex than that. As I said earlier, the same behaviour was observed back in the thirties.
It's a little more complex than that. As I said earlier, the same behaviour was observed back in the thirties.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
USA, Canada / Prayer, relgious symbols OK in public in Québec! Poland watches. [99]
They were classically fascist and unashamed to use the term themselves.
A rose by any other name....etc., or zwał jak zwał!
They were classically fascist and unashamed to use the term themselves.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Kraków has a bit more in common with Central Europe - perhaps because it was in the Austrian zabór. There's a certain gentility there which is lacking in the parts that are more clearly Eastern European.
Kraków has a bit more in common with Central Europe - perhaps because it was in the Austrian zabór. There's a certain gentility there which is lacking in the parts that are more clearly Eastern European.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]
Which is very much the point of fascism. Knowing (or pretending to know) what's best for people.
So basically it sounds to me like you think Polska B are too stupid to think for themselves.
Which is very much the point of fascism. Knowing (or pretending to know) what's best for people.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
I remember being on a bus, the bottom end of Pulawska going towards Piaseczno. The bus was jammed full to bursting. A youngish woman whose seat I was squashed against said several times in Polish (in one of those annoying reedy voices) "Excuse me, this is a seat for one person". When I reminded her that the bus was jammed full of people, she just repeated it. As if her needs were more important that those of the whole group who were travelling.
The amusing thing is that later on when the bus was less full, the inspectors got on and it turned out she was riding the bus without a ticket. Antisocial, or what?
I also notice on buses or trams people running, literally running, in order to get to a vacant seat before someone much nearer has a chance to sit - sometimes almost doing gymnastics to slide under them. Very strange. Poland isn't unique for this - I've seen it in various places in Eastern Europe but nowhere else.
I remember being on a bus, the bottom end of Pulawska going towards Piaseczno. The bus was jammed full to bursting. A youngish woman whose seat I was squashed against said several times in Polish (in one of those annoying reedy voices) "Excuse me, this is a seat for one person". When I reminded her that the bus was jammed full of people, she just repeated it. As if her needs were more important that those of the whole group who were travelling.
The amusing thing is that later on when the bus was less full, the inspectors got on and it turned out she was riding the bus without a ticket. Antisocial, or what?
I also notice on buses or trams people running, literally running, in order to get to a vacant seat before someone much nearer has a chance to sit - sometimes almost doing gymnastics to slide under them. Very strange. Poland isn't unique for this - I've seen it in various places in Eastern Europe but nowhere else.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
USA, Canada / Prayer, relgious symbols OK in public in Québec! Poland watches. [99]
You mean the fascist Falanga.
the patriotic side faithful to the nation's Catholic heritage used kid gloves
You mean the fascist Falanga.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Anti-atheisation institute in Poland emerging [110]
This mirrors the situation in France where a particular tendency try without success to fight the concept of
which is built into their constitution.
He's essentially preaching to the already converted and putting off everyone else.
Bingo. These initiatives have never worked. It's more about saying rather than doing.
This mirrors the situation in France where a particular tendency try without success to fight the concept of
laicete
which is built into their constitution.
Does Jaroslaw Kaczynski really not realise the harm he does to PiS by turning up at these things?
He's essentially preaching to the already converted and putting off everyone else.
Wouldn't it be better to work on the reasons why people are falling away from the Church rather than trying to fight them?
Bingo. These initiatives have never worked. It's more about saying rather than doing.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
I see what you mean however it raises another question, namely the etiquette of mobile phone use. Especially in public places.
I see what you mean however it raises another question, namely the etiquette of mobile phone use. Especially in public places.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
On another (excellent) forum that doesn't seem to exist now, a lady from Britain who's a long time resident here used to describe this as 'lack of special acuity'. Basically sailing out of shop doors not caring if there are people walking on the pavement. I also notice that crowds in the city centre don't seem to take into account other people and just expect them to get out of the way. Leon Uris who was American remarked how well crowds in London worked, so perhaps it's just the Brits who are very good at instinctively cooperating. That or the two nations are at extreme ends of a continuum.
On another (excellent) forum that doesn't seem to exist now, a lady from Britain who's a long time resident here used to describe this as 'lack of special acuity'. Basically sailing out of shop doors not caring if there are people walking on the pavement. I also notice that crowds in the city centre don't seem to take into account other people and just expect them to get out of the way. Leon Uris who was American remarked how well crowds in London worked, so perhaps it's just the Brits who are very good at instinctively cooperating. That or the two nations are at extreme ends of a continuum.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Almost never, but it's happened.
The level of judgement (and English) in many of your posts gives a clue to your nous in this matter.
Almost never, but it's happened.
The level of judgement (and English) in many of your posts gives a clue to your nous in this matter.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
I understand his frustration too. Be careful about making assumptions based on people's accent though. They can often be wrong.
I understand his frustration too. Be careful about making assumptions based on people's accent though. They can often be wrong.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Did you ask him about his nationality? Not that nationality is relevant to anything at all. Sounds like he acted fairly sensibly.
Did you ask him about his nationality? Not that nationality is relevant to anything at all. Sounds like he acted fairly sensibly.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
The one you mentioned. Aside from the fact that I very much doubt you checked his passport, would you blame him for being frustrated by bad behaviour?
The one you mentioned. Aside from the fact that I very much doubt you checked his passport, would you blame him for being frustrated by bad behaviour?
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Much easier to pronounce it correctly. And then you can always barge, Polish-style, on your way if they still behave badly. Not sure what you mean about English people though. Any civilised person would be annoyed at such crass behaviour.
Much easier to pronounce it correctly. And then you can always barge, Polish-style, on your way if they still behave badly. Not sure what you mean about English people though. Any civilised person would be annoyed at such crass behaviour.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]
Perhaps in the sticks. Only Warsaw residents are involved in this issue. Anyone else is merely an observer.
Perhaps in the sticks. Only Warsaw residents are involved in this issue. Anyone else is merely an observer.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]
None of that makes the slightest bit of sense as usual.
None of that makes the slightest bit of sense as usual.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Study / Looking to study at Warsaw university of technology - should i apply as a Polish or American citizen? [20]
Qualifications offered here in English are far less well regarded than those offered in Polish. They exist as money-spinners for the institutions involved in order to subsidise their main work. Your best bet would be to see where each institution/department appears in the published rankings.
Qualifications offered here in English are far less well regarded than those offered in Polish. They exist as money-spinners for the institutions involved in order to subsidise their main work. Your best bet would be to see where each institution/department appears in the published rankings.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
News / Poles back Gronkiewicz ouster referendum [26]
Read the post before commenting. It didn't include the word 'former' and you will not be voting in this election. You abandoned Poland years ago.
I'm former resident of Warsaw. Do I qualify to be the most cosmopolitan, multicultural and politically liberal
Read the post before commenting. It didn't include the word 'former' and you will not be voting in this election. You abandoned Poland years ago.
jon357
17 Jun 2013
Law / trying to leave Poland with a traffic ticket [8]
They will only stop you if there is a specific warrant issued. If there is, you may have to spend a little time locked up while they sort the paperwork. Remember that bureaucracy here is slow, inefficient and corrupt. If there is no warrant issued you will have no problem, even if the fine shows on their system against your passport.
They will only stop you if there is a specific warrant issued. If there is, you may have to spend a little time locked up while they sort the paperwork. Remember that bureaucracy here is slow, inefficient and corrupt. If there is no warrant issued you will have no problem, even if the fine shows on their system against your passport.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Study / Looking to study at Warsaw university of technology - should i apply as a Polish or American citizen? [20]
I always remember it as being in Nottingham. Who knew?
WUT is first class, and the aeronautical school (which may well be part of WUT) is long established.
Nottingham university in Malaysia
I always remember it as being in Nottingham. Who knew?
WUT is first class, and the aeronautical school (which may well be part of WUT) is long established.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
That's certainly part of the story, however I suspect that extreme situations merely increase traits that are already there. Georg Mikes who last visited in (I think) 1938 remarks on the strange behaviour of Poles on public transport, especially the miserable and 'elsewhere' expressions on their faces.
Something I've often noticed but never figured out. When there are two or three buses pulling into the same stop at about the same time and going to the same destination as often happens in big cities, they all pile on the first bus which is full to bursting while the other two are empty. No logic in that at all.
Communism. People kept themselves to themselves.
That's certainly part of the story, however I suspect that extreme situations merely increase traits that are already there. Georg Mikes who last visited in (I think) 1938 remarks on the strange behaviour of Poles on public transport, especially the miserable and 'elsewhere' expressions on their faces.
What was stupid is this - there was another bus waiting at the stop directly behind us, and he disembarked at the VERY NEXT STOP!
Something I've often noticed but never figured out. When there are two or three buses pulling into the same stop at about the same time and going to the same destination as often happens in big cities, they all pile on the first bus which is full to bursting while the other two are empty. No logic in that at all.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Off-Topic / Modern parenting = bad parenting? [20]
If someone lets their children run wild and deliberately disturb other people they deserve to be treated as pariahs. Perhaps I should take my dog with me and let it bark at them throughout a flight.
It's easy enough to suggest those with young children should be treated as pariahs if you don't have children yourself.
If someone lets their children run wild and deliberately disturb other people they deserve to be treated as pariahs. Perhaps I should take my dog with me and let it bark at them throughout a flight.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Study / Vistula University in Poland. Any experience? Any student? [57]
I think the OP is in Turkey, where there are some first class universities too. There are also some good ones in the UAE however costs may be high.
I think the OP is in Turkey, where there are some first class universities too. There are also some good ones in the UAE however costs may be high.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Study / Vistula University in Poland. Any experience? Any student? [57]
Kosminski is certainly the best of a fairly mediocre bunch. £arzarski is OK too, in its way. but none of them are actually that good and given the number of overseas students they take, sooner or later HR Depts outside Poland will form an impression of them.
UKSW is very worth looking at, however I'm not sure if they do courses in different languages.
Kosminski is certainly the best of a fairly mediocre bunch. £arzarski is OK too, in its way. but none of them are actually that good and given the number of overseas students they take, sooner or later HR Depts outside Poland will form an impression of them.
UKSW is very worth looking at, however I'm not sure if they do courses in different languages.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Yes. You've hit the nail on the head with this one. Being deliberately argumentative and awkward isn't always seen as such bad behaviour here in Eastern Europe. Also, I notice many people seem to wander around in a world of their own. Road traffic, where people don't really anticipate what other drivers are doing and also try to squeeze themselves ahead whether it's worth doing so or not is a good example.
Another is public transport, where people try to push on trams and buses regardless of whether people have got off or not, standing at the stop right in front of the bus/tram door expecting people to squeeze round them and then standing during the journey in the doorway and then looking surprised when people want to get off.
The escalators on the Warsaw Metro are also a good example, when a small number of passengers don't notice that people are standing on one side and walking on the other so just stop dead with a huge line of frustrated people behind them.
Yes. You've hit the nail on the head with this one. Being deliberately argumentative and awkward isn't always seen as such bad behaviour here in Eastern Europe. Also, I notice many people seem to wander around in a world of their own. Road traffic, where people don't really anticipate what other drivers are doing and also try to squeeze themselves ahead whether it's worth doing so or not is a good example.
Another is public transport, where people try to push on trams and buses regardless of whether people have got off or not, standing at the stop right in front of the bus/tram door expecting people to squeeze round them and then standing during the journey in the doorway and then looking surprised when people want to get off.
The escalators on the Warsaw Metro are also a good example, when a small number of passengers don't notice that people are standing on one side and walking on the other so just stop dead with a huge line of frustrated people behind them.
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Your life must be really empty. Do you also stand on road bridges and wave at passing drivers?
Your life must be really empty. Do you also stand on road bridges and wave at passing drivers?
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
Do you often laugh out loud when people ram shopping trolleys into other people?
Do you often laugh out loud when people ram shopping trolleys into other people?
jon357
16 Jun 2013
Life / Etiquette in a Store and Market Queues in Poland [146]
There are some very rude people indeed here, but the majority aren't. Many people though don't really understand how to behave in the presence of others and a surprising number of people here are amazingly easily offended. Just ignore such people.
There are some very rude people indeed here, but the majority aren't. Many people though don't really understand how to behave in the presence of others and a surprising number of people here are amazingly easily offended. Just ignore such people.