Law / How to legally do an agency contract in Poland? [12]

NabaP the problem is that even if you get some advice from a random stranger on the internet, it may not be accurate because laws and regulations undergo a lot of changes over time. If somebody set up their business three years ago for example, that's fairly recent but some details may have changed in that time. There is only one way to find the information you're looking for and that's through a consultation with an expert. I'm sure there are agencies/lawyers in Malaysia who specialize in international business law and who can advise on setting up a business linked to an EU country.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


No. What Poland is doing is refusing to honour an agreement made by the previous government. An opt-out is something decided at the policy making stage and should have been negotiated by the previous government when they had the opportunity but what they did instead was to break their word which they had given to three other countries that they would vote with them, against resettlement of migrants. That's why Poland was given a quota of migrants/refugees to settle - because they agreed to it. As you like to point out, that's how politics work. Governments inherit difficulties from their predecessors and those situations have to be dealt with appropriately. What PIS should have done is accepted the original figure agreed but refused to take any more.


Why is it that anybody who criticizes PIS is 'far left'? Anyway, there's a contradiction here. If the EU is far left then why did Poland join it at all?? Just for the money and trade. Well it doesn't work that way. If present-day Poland doesn't want to adopt EU policies then Poland should leave. PIS should simply explain to its supporters that membership of a far left multi-cultural, secular alliance like the EU undermines all that Poland stands for and is incompatible with Polish values.


Well in that case don't think about living in Poland because you certainly won't get that under PIS or any other far right government.


Yes exactly. Authoritarian and totalitarian regimes, right or left wing, start with political parties and usually 'strong leaders' who rise to power on a wave of euphoria and popular support at a time when countries are facing challenges. Such parties are clever enough to sense the public mood and pander to it. Then once they get themselves into power..........well we know how it goes. The public who elected them will eventually end up sitting in their jails and detention centres for 'anti-government' activities. I think Europeans of the 21st century somehow have an idea that it can't happen again, but it certainly can. The one thing Poland lacks is a charismatic leader. Duda is rather bland and many people, even PIS supporters, view Kaczyński with a degree of caution and dislike. However Kaczyński has a lot of power behind the scenes and Poland is rapidly reaching a point where PIS won't need much public support to remain in government. The mechanisms are being put in place to ensure that they stay there.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Those opt-outs were negotiated and agreed so it's not a case of the UK defying EU rulings or ignoring policies. Do you actually understand the difference?

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Give three examples.


That's a very childish attitude.


You see that's the difference between the accession countries and the old members. Up till now the EU has arrived at policy making decisions through discussion and consensus amongst members. Enforcement and coercion are part of the old Soviet style politics that the former Eastern Bloc can relate to. Poland is drifting back to a place where it feels comfortable, authoritarian government.


There will be EU reforms in the future and you can be sure that part of those reforms will include putting in place measures to act swiftly against countries who display utter contempt for the partnership of which they are members. There will definitely have to be measures put in place to suspend membership of those who act as Poland is presently doing and if a country is deemed by a majority of members to be a threat to the stability of the Union, then I'm guessing there will be a system for expelling that country.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Yes. All EU citizens should be thankful for the fact that they have ease of access to jobs all over Europe.


Actually if you read UK government documents dating back to the pre-accession period, the idea was to attract skilled workers to fill gaps in the UK labour market. Rather foolishly and short-sightedly they didn't take into account the fact that many Poles wouldn't have enough English to work in the roles for which they were qualified and would end up taking unskilled jobs. But that was the choice of the Polish immigrants themselves. They weren't conscripted or press-ganged into it.


As a member of the EU Poland has to abide by the rules regarding freedom of movement so any EU citizen including those born in Africa or outside Europe and those who are Muslim are free to come to Poland. Poland also has to accept its share of those who are being resettled by the previous consensus of EU member states. If a country wants to be in the EU, it can't just pick and choose which bits of EU policy it will honour and which it will ignore. If Poland doesn't want to accept migrants, doesn't want to stop logging etc wants to do its own thing, fair enough, time for Polexit.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


You still don't understand.

Firstly the three countries you mention joined at different times. Poland and Lithuania in 2004, Romania in 2007. In 2004 the existing EU members were not obliged to take any workers from the accession countries. Existing EU members were allowed to decide on their own individual policies regarding restrictions which would remain in place until 2011. The UK and Ireland chose not to place any restrictions on the rights of workers from accession countries. We accepted Polish workers for a full seven years before the other EU countries. When Romania joined in 2007 we were a bit more wary. Ireland placed restrictions until 2012 and the UK until 2014.

So in a nutshell, the huge influx of Poles and others into Ireland and the UK was a result of our own actions, we chose to allow immigration from the accession countries. It wasn't forced on us.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

Yes, but I'm not sure what your point is. You started by saying that membership of the EU forced the UK to take in migrants who subsequently scammed the benefits system. Then when I pointed out that they chose to accept those migrants at a time when there was no EU obligation to do so, you agreed but said that Poland won't do that. What you're really on about is the 'forced migration' of middle eastern Muslims which is a separate issue, nothing to do with the EU migrants scamming the system in the UK.

The migrants who've been sent to Ireland under the EU relocation scheme if you want to call it that, have all been interviewed at length before being accepted and seem to be ok, lots of well educated ones. They're not all mad Islamic terrorists.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

Membership of the EU means that EU citizens have the right to work in other EU countries so that's a form of migration which Poland can't control that. If a Lithuanian, Bulgarian or Romanian wants to come to Poland, Poland can't stop them. Unless of course Poland leaves the EU.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Some of Britain's migrants are a legacy of their own colonial past and as for Poles, they weren't obliged to take them back in 2004. They chose to.

News / US Investor seeks 700 million dollars in damages from Poland [45]

Well as I understand it the lawsuit against Tauron is for 1.2 billion PLN (something over 300 million dollars) and began in 2014. The case I referred to is a separate action against the present government and is for the amount of 700 million dollars. Invenergy say that if it's not settled within six months they will take it to international arbitration. I'm quite certain it's a separate case.

News / US Investor seeks 700 million dollars in damages from Poland [45]

That's a different law suit by the same company against Tauron. This one is about the changes made by PIS which have impacted those who signed long term contracts.

Real Estate / Help need advice on buying property in Poland and dealing with the seller [16]

You most definitely should not hand over any cash nor should you allow the vendor to remain in the property after the sale completes. Tough luck for him if he doesn't have the deposit for his new place.

There are no property deeds in Poland. The ownership of the property is recorded in a central registry and when you buy a property your name is recorded in the register and you get a copy of that entry. The guy who is selling you the apartment should have that. That's his proof of ownership. However he could have a fraudulent document or indeed he could have a genuine document but a fake ID.

The sale documents should be drawn up by a notary and witnessed by him/her. The notary doesn't do any checking to see whether documents or ids are fake or genuine though. It is possible to sign an initial contract and pay a deposit, wth the final papers signed a few days later and the balance paid then.

Forget about this one though, definitely sounds dodgy.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


That will never happen for many reasons but this isn't the place to discuss them obviously. Suffice it to say that the mindset of the Irish is very different to the Polish and our political situation is very different too, very delicate.


Which you have thanks to adopting democratic values, building bridges and partnering with former enemies.


Are wasting time, money and resources on this.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]

Gosh Adrian, sometimes you sound very young. Are you sure you're thirty? You're not just winding us up and in fact you're actually a precocious thirteen year old?? Most of the government of a country is conducted behind closed doors. You seem to think that public servants are locked up in cupboard or toy box and only come out to play when the media are there to observe and report on their activities.

You don't need to tell the Irish about being murdered by an occupying power. Not on the scale of course that Poland suffered during the war, but 800 years of conflict takes its toll - and we've never asked for reparations.

Life / Boring Life after work in Poland (Bydgoszcz) [29]

Mmm yes, but he may have to listen to slang and - God Forbid - vulgar language! He doesn't like that. Yes I suggest he joins a boxing or MMA group and repeats his instruction to:

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


But there's nothing 'behind closed doors' about that. That's normal practice. The diplomatic corps of a country always tries to talk to disgruntled parties and pour a bit of oil on troubled waters. Of course how the present Polish diplomatic corps, as opposed to their German counterparts, operates is something of a mystery as tact, diplomacy and sensitivity are not big features of PIS.


I'm afraid that's not accepted in international law so you can't use that in court. Also you have had numerous legitimate governments since the overthrow of Communism and since the signing of the last agreement in 1990. None of them have felt it to be an important enough issue to raise nor have there been any loud demands from the public for it. If it's such a major issue for Poland then why didn't some Polish government raise it in the last 26 years? And surely, the time at which you were preparing to join the EU would have been an ideal opportunity. What sort of nation joins an alliance with another nation whom they believe owes them tens of billions in compensation without even mentioning it as a stumbling block to further integration? War reparations is not a Polish thing, it's a PIS thing.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


Source? And don't direct us to some dodgy website. What credible source has supplied you with this information?

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


They announced them recently which means they've been thinking about them and in informal discussions with the Polish government for longer than that. And as you say, deals don't get cancelled overnight either so it will be a while before one sees the results of some of PIS less well advised actions. Business people don't care about your feelings, your patriotism, your honour, your history. That's a big old snooze fest to them. The only thing they care about is their profit margins.

However to get back to Tusk's 2011 statement - do you think it was a fair appraisal of official Polish-German relations as they appeared to the outside world and apparently to Poland and Germany at that time? If not, why not? And if so, why has it changed? Please remember to use paragraphs in your reply or marks will be deducted :D

Study / I'm thinking to study in the Wrocław University of Science and Technology [55]

Ah don't worry, no problem :)

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


I really wonder about you sometimes. You studied business at third level and yet.........these deals don't happen overnight. They are years in the planning and are a result of the work that successive governments have done on the economy through their own efforts and supported by the funds and mentoring of the EU and the IMF. This is not the result of PIS. As far as foreign investors go, companies like JP Morgan know things that we don't get to hear about. You can be sure that the overall vibe is that PIS are just a temporary glitch and they are likely to get themselves voted out of office in the next election before they can do any further harm hence major investors don't have too many qualms in the long term.


And they'll be a lot more unhappy when it disappears as it inevitably will as it's completely unsustainable. It's a quick fix solution to a long term problem and PIS have neither the will nor the ability to tackle the problem of the falling birth rate with a properly thought out set of coordinated policies

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


This is usually reserved for one or at most two key policies with which a large number of the public are dissatisfied and generally confined to domestic policy. PIS have introduced 'reforms' in area such as education which was doing just fine, OECD reports very favourable, the public not crying out for change. Fixing things that aren't broken is their speciality alongside breaking things that are working. As for foreign policy, EU countries are bound to honour treaties signed and policies agreed to by previous governments.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


No they don't,not in the wholesale fashion that PIS are doing.

Donald Trump couldn't give a flying fiddlers about Poland.

Tusk's heritage is irrelevant. It's the content of the statement that counts. Would you disagree with his statement?

Study / I'm thinking to study in the Wrocław University of Science and Technology [55]

I meant after he's finished college. You didn't seriously think that I'd advise a seventeen year old from Turkey to emigrate to Canada without a proper education and a profession under his belt in this day and age, even if it were possible to do so, now did you?

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]

I think Dirk finds it easier to define who isn't a real Pole as to who is. For example a real Pole can't be a Communist but only a terrorized individual forced into Communism and that's patently not true because plenty of Poles were willing to jump on the Communist bandwagon and embrace the Soviet way. I'm talking about those who were keen to join the party, be active within it and be part of local or national government. There were plenty of Communists in Poland before the war. Poles, like every other nation are a mixed bag. There are some greedy, selfish, immoral, amoral ones, some foolish ones, some lazy ones, and whether one likes it or not, they are just as Polish as the honest, honourable, courageous, loyal and industrious ones.

However to return to the original topic which I started, I was struck by the irony of Poland, at this point in time when they are demanding war reparations for events of 70 odd years ago, and using very bitter and angry language to do it, basically lecturing people from the Balkan states with their very recent history of war, on how to foster good neighbourly relations. The condescension of it beggars belief. I think the problem is that this seminar, like most of these things, took a long time to organise, from the first idea to its final execution and in the meantime the war reparations issue has reared its head unexpectedly thanks to His Nibs.

How times have changed since Tusk confidently declared back in 2011:

"Our two countries can now serve as an example of how to build relations between peoples, institutions and entire countries, in spite of traumatic moments in history."

I think the worst aspect is that the two countries both seemed to be under the impression that they had drawn a line under the past and moved into the next phase. One of the features of PIS seems to be trying to undo things done by generations of previous governments, whether it be foreign relations, education reforms, signing of treaties, agreement to EU policies. It's simply not possible to govern a country effectively that way. It also gives an unfortunate impression, however inaccurate and unfair, that Poles don't keep their word and don't honour agreements and understandings. It just isn't possible to govern a country effectively by constantly saying 'oh we're not doing that because we didn't agree to it, that was another lot'.

Study / I'm thinking to study in the Wrocław University of Science and Technology [55]

@ Whocares It's not often that I agree with Dirk but he's right. Don't kid yourself that you will learn Polish while you're in Poland and be fluent by the time you finish college. It won't happen. It's a difficult language and you won't have time to study it so you will pick up some basics and rely on English to get by the rest of the time. A Polish employer will not be interested in a new graduate from a non-EU country who doesn't speak fluent Polish.

I understand completely how you don't see your future in Turkey and you just want to get out of there as soon as you can and start your 'life'. I remember what it's like to be seventeen and how I saw the world back then. At that age people have huge optimism and self-belief and they're sure that desite what people say, it's all possible and it will be different for them. But it won't!

Also you do seem to be convinced that studying in the EU is a kind of automatic route to a job in the EU and it isn't when you're not an EU citizen. Even if you do get a job, it will only be a temporary contract and you will have to be a few years in a country before you can even apply for permanent residence.

Ulitmately in the long run you might want to consider Canada rather than America. It's a beautiful country and the people are nice. Also they need skilled people and operate an immigration policy based around the skills they need. Cities like Toronto have a huge multi-cultural population. In fact over half Toronto residents are foreign nationals. You can apply for permanent residence and citizenship in Canada within quite a short time, I think about two years. There's lots of information out there on the internet so check it out. Wish you the best of luck.

Life / Boring Life after work in Poland (Bydgoszcz) [29]


@ Lyzko, why do you assume the OP is from the UK?I don't he's a native English speaker!

@ Vin, Polish guys who are into boxing and martial arts can be a bit full on macho. You might be better joining a running club or something like that.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


It's not quite that simple, it was more a mixture of control and compliance. The Soviets saw to it that Polish Communists were put in place after the war. If there were no loyal Polish Communists to begin with the Soviets would have had to terrorize Poles into becoming a puppet government or put their own Russians in place. Now if they had done that, put Russians at the helm, I think that even as exhausted and decimated as they were after the war, the Polish people wouldn't have stood for it. But clearly there were avid Polish Communists who wanted to see a Communist government in post war Poland and that is a fact.

Thereafter, Polish people simply accepted the status quo and adapted to it. As for reforms, the idea of 'subvert from within' was never really a coordinated effort with any serious momentum behind it.

The big stick that the Soviets could always wave was military intervention and that's largely what kept most Eastern Bloc countries compliant. Also after a decade or two they were economically crippled so it's not a great combo is it.

Law / What if a foreigner doesnt want to get retired in Poland ? Retirement money back? [16]

Frankcow look at my post here:
https://polishforums.com/law/poland-leave-return-home-country-57079/#msg1615996
If you're talking about combining social insurance contributions for retirement pension purposes that's done when you apply for your pension. The country in which you're applying takes the information regarding the dates you worked in other EU countries and works it out for you.

News / Polish-German Reconcilliation Seminar [491]


Forced by fellow Poles. What about Bierut. He was Polish wasn't he? And Gomułka. It's not just a question of 'western betrayal' but betrayal by some of your own people who colluded with the Soviets because they they themselves were Communists. And in fact the people of Poland supported Gomułka for some of his career. Jaruzelski was Polish too wasn't he? And you have him to thank for martial law.