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enkidu   
16 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

You are the person making a point. Why did you falsely say the British
earn our national gold reserves

You right. I did use wrong word. They stole it.
enkidu   
16 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

They earn the time to prepare for war. For the same reason they sold Czechoslovakia.
Plus - they earn our national gold reserves as a bonus.
enkidu   
10 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

You really are a most unaccomplished liar.

Where is the lie in this picture?
There is possibility that such a multi-cultural country like Israel may choose to express goodwill and tolerance.
Therefore this flag "might" look like this. You can't deny it, can you?
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

You fought to get Poland back as a country. How was London behind the Poles backs when most fought in the Italian Campaign. Monte Cassino was taken at the 3rd attempt by the Polish Army.

We have fought in the Battle of Britain as well. You can't deny it. And our ships were send on patrols around this island to protect it.

How you can say that somebody who died on British soil in order to protect it didn't prove himself a good friend of this nation? Why the British didn't show a little respect to this people?

They were discarded like an used tool.
As I said before - if Britain was to weak to help Poland in 1945, a gesture of friendship or some gratitude would be accepted. Unfortunately, the only gesture this country show to our soldiers was contempt and insult. Take a look at general Sosabowski's story. That's hurts.

We regain our independence in 1989. For us WW2 was a lengthy war indeed.
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

I have always said that they were Poles. You claimed that they were not Poles. I asked you to name names and give nationalities. You gave names and described them as "Jewish". So you now wish to agree that they were Polish. Good. We're agreed: the post-war provisional government of Poland was comprised of Polish people. Sorry that it hurts your Polish pride so much for you to have to admit that.

Is that mean that there was no Jews in Poland at all? Is that mean that all Holocaust was about killing Polish citizens - not Jews? Wow! I didn't know that.

And Hellen - what did darius said? That's interesting.
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

This is all you have found to answer my post? When you were stealing land with Nazis, this country existed. Nazi Germany is not there anymore, does it mean that there is no value of talking about concentration camps and all statements that there were such camps are invalid?

Yes.
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

No unit of the US Army was represented at the London Victory Parade. Only army and navy units from British Empire/Commonwealth nations were invited.

This is Greek honor guard.
(I didn't know that Greece is a part of Commonwealth)

yeah
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Harry
No Unit of Polish Army (249000 soldiers) was represented on Victory Parade.
That is the fact. Even you can't change it.
Goodbye Hellen.
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Harry
Dear Hellen,

I see, you are obsessed by the word "lie". Is it compulsive? Maybe you should fight this habit by repeating another word? How about the word "tomato"? I am not a doctor - maybe you should visit one?

P.S. If you prefer to repeat some shorter words - "milk" is a nice word.
:-)
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Please get your lies straight Magda. Poles were invited to the Victory Parade, both 'Free' Poles and the government of Poland. Neither bothered to send any representatives. But Poles have lied about not being invited ever since. You're pathetic.

I see, Hellen, that you check every single of my words. Good. :-) The only invitation was sent to few surviving representatives of 303 squadron.

Your reality is clearly based on lies.
1. Lie: you fought for Poland. And then didn't pay the bill for all that you had used.

Unfortunately there was no Poland at this time. There was only burning London behind their back.

2. If you'd planned the Uprising better, you might have liberated enough area to have paracutes dropped into.

Re-think it again, Hellen.

3. Lie: your generals were welcome to return to Poland and claim their pension. Why should Polish generals who've paid nothing into the UK pension pot get British pensions? Oh, sorry, I forgot how Poles view the British benefits system. These days a Polish who has paid nothing into the UK benefits pot can claim from the system and that's how you think it should have been in 1945.

Polish Generals were welcomed to return to Poland, then being imprisoned and executed. Some of them actually took this route. And what they "paid into the UK system"? They paid with their blood and death of their friends and families. I see, Hellen, that gratitude is strange concept for you. ;-)

4. Lie. The military attache of the Polish embassy attended. You should have had more representation at the parade but that would have involved not dramatically rejecting your invites (and not being able to lie about it for years afterwards), so I can see why you didn't.

Yeap. An I am sure that some "Jasio Kowalski" was in London at the time. So what?
No Polish unit was invited to celebrate victory. Representatives of 303 sq. are not the unit.

5. What should they have done? Tried to bomb it? What did the Polish armed forces do to stop the camp? Nothing, not even try to sabotage the rail links.

To bomb it "w trzy dupy" (forgive my French) would be good idea. I am sure that people down there would be grateful for quick death.

As for your second question:

6. Lie. Some of your gold disappeared while in French custody. The gold entrusted to Britain was returned to Poland less what Poland agreed to pay for its forces and their upkeep.

The first document I linked in this thread is official "agreement" from archives. I trust this document more than your opinion.

Yet more lies. The British Free Corps was not purely British and they could not have been busy liberating Poland because they never saw any action at all and they never even went to Poland!

Well... If there was any British soldier liberating Poland in 1945 - most probably that he was a member of this merry SS gang. This is the best answer for the title question.

I'm sure that there are thousands more Poles who were in the SS and like Sawoniuk slipped under the radar but unlike Sawoniuk had no reason to be hunted down. We know that more than a third of the Polish forces in the west were previously in the German armed forces: the idea that none of them were SS is laughable!

This is a good feeling to be sure about something, isn't it? And you laugh so easily. Surely you have got access to some not-yet-known historical facts, maybe even documents. Will you share this with us?

Or maybe - it's just your imagination.
Well, Hellen?
enkidu   
9 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Final answer (Ksysia - you can thank me later)
No one is free:
(well - to say the truth: We are free of this shame. There was no Polish SS unit)
Hey! Maybe this is the answer for question that started this thread?
"What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?"

Those brave lads are pure British and all-volunteer.
And they could be busy liberating Poland in 1945, couldn't they?
British Waffen SS uniform:

British Waffen SS

And poster
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Keep living in your own sweet world where reality does not reach you.

Reality is based on facts, right?

We fought and died for the UK and they charge us for it - fact
Majority of supplies intended for Warsaw Uprising were dropped on the German side - fact
Our Generals (and other serviceman) were discharged without any pension whatsoever - fact
No one represented Poland an the Victory Parade - fact
British government has knowledge about Auschwitz, but didn't do anything - fact
Our pre-war gold reserves (75 tons) disappeared in British custody - fact

I think, I have strong enough grasp of reality.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Russia and America, The British Empire was gone!!!

In 1940 and later Poland was non-existent country. But we help you anyway.
And yes - our pilots didn't care for whom they fighting as long as they have the opportunity to kill some Germans. That's fact. Other fact is - they fought and died defending London.

And you charge us for it.

Victory Parade is other thing. More a symbol than a real thing. Among all Polish Forces only few representatives of 303 squadron were invited. And they refused. Wouldn't you do the same? I definitely would.

Please - don't get upset. It's our grandparent's business anyway.

I tell you one simple fact: British government knows about Ribbentrop-Molotow treaty as soon as it was signed. This treaty was clear sign that the war is near. And they didn't told us. British didn't warn us. Is that how friends behave? Nobody ever apologised us for this betrayal.

For that reson don't expect apologies from me.

As for "If you don't like UK - GTFO" stuff - It surprises me. I refuse to discuss on this level.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Is not true, we could not sway the Russians or the Americans because we were nothing.

You could try to help us. This is friendship all about isn't it? Even a gesture would be appreciated. But you didn't try.

In addition to this Britain didn't honor our dead heroes. We weren't invited for the Victory Parade (at some point third power of alliance) in London. Did Stalin forced you to this? Our generals (the same old generals who fought so bravely for the Crown) after were discharged without any pension, forced to take odd jobs. Did Roosevelt personally request this? You stole our gold just because you can.

And now you insult us, call us a parasites just because our country is poor. And you fail to spot that we are poor because in the past we choose our friends poorly and you let us down.

I understand "realpolitik" has his own rights. But spitting on us and our heroes is not a part of realpolitik.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

So when you said that "the Polish command in the UK have not given help to the partisans" you were in fact telling a very deliberate lie on the basis that you thought you could get away with it. OK, I'll remember that about you in the future.

There is a few lies in this thread, and some truth as well.
One of truths is:

Polish Army fought in the Battle of Britain and later on your side. Polish soldiers dies for the Queen.
And then - Britain charged us for this privilege.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

I love that use of "accidentally". What are you trying to say here? That British people were so anti-Polish that they dropped ammunition to the Germans instead?

I am going to say that somehow this is how it is. In other words - a fact. I don't think that anyone would have interest in re-supplying Germans. That's why I presume that it was accident that majority of supplies were dropped on the wrong side. You couldn't betrayal us in this way, could you?

And who the hell is Magda?
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

It is not fair to say Britain left you to Stalin. Look at who came out of WW2 with the most.

We were still on rationing until 1986-or-so simply because everything was forcibly exported to Soviet Union.
Funny fact about EU is that we are still (5 years after joining) a netto payer to the EU budget.
Polish immigrants in the UK (like myself) are usually hard working people. We pay taxes and respect your tradition. In return British newspapers targeting us as a sample parasite just because we are white europeans (read - soft target).

And I don't think you owe us anything except little respect.

And Harry - I hope you are aware of the fact that most supplies for Warsaw Uprising was dropped "accidentally" on the German side? And "Cichociemni" wera all Polish?

Really people - this is 2009. Lesson has been learned.
Just read this article on wiki this is a good start. Nobody expecting you to agree with that. Just read it.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

That gold was mainly returned to Poland, partly used to pay part of the Polish war debt to the UK and partly used to support the 'Free' Polish forces in the UK after the war.

Maybe you will understand that - this "Polish war debt" as you call it is nonexistent. Why? Simply because this is money spent to protect YOUR own country. Polish Free forces didn't fought for Poland. We gain independence in 1989 not in 1945. Those people has fought for your country and has died for it. And you charge Poland for it.Do you really think this is right?
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Read the un biased history books better. Britain were powerless by the end of the war. America wanted Soviet help with Japan so Stalin held all the cards.

I understand that.
My point is - our nations were friends. We did everything possible to help you. When the time comes you show us nothing but contempt. That wasn't required by Stalin or US. It was your own choice. Friend in need is a friend indeed.
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

I'm not sure why that upsets you, enkidu? there was an agreement signed between ours and theirs commands, that we pay for ourselves. you should be proud that we didn't take money.

You get me wrong. I am not upset. I just confider this fact (Yes Harry - this is fact) worth to remember.
Many of Polish soldiers has died defending this islands. They didn't ask who will pay them and where. Among others 303 Polish Fighter Squadron members. They did their duty.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303_Polish_Fighter_Squadron

And after that - British government sold us to Stalin an send us a bill. They count every bullet, every uniform, every meal. They charged us even for docking fees for Polish ships. The same ships that fought to protect their island.

I hope you understand - i don't oppose the fact, that Polish Army had used that bullets. The point is - they used those bullets to protect United Kingdom sovereignty. Many of them died in the process. Charging us for it is just not right.

That make me proud of being Polish. And that makes me ashamed that we chooses our friends so poorly.

How it was paid? Simple. About 75 tons of Polish gold reserve has been transfered to London in 1940 and deposited there. After war British government knows that we are to weak under Stalin's boot (to whom they shamelessly sold us on Jalta conference) to claim it back. So - they keep it. PDF document I linked in my previous post is official document that legalized this theft.

For those who are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
enkidu   
8 Dec 2009
History / What British unit liberated Poland in 1945?? [445]

Do you still remember Polish heroes in Battle of Britain?
Well: untreaty.un.org/unts/1_60000/1/11/00000504.pdf

Aparently they count every piece of ammunition, every gallon of petrol, every spitfire and then - They charge Poland for this.
enkidu   
19 Nov 2009
Life / Is Poland a safe country for people of color? [241]

If you are prepared to treat our country and customs with respect, we are prepared to do the same for you. This is that simple. Our customs are not very restrictive. Just try to act... decent ( however you understand this term).

Accusing our country of being racist is just... racist. This is just prejudice. I hope, you agree.