Life / I got beaten and kicks in my face just cuz i dont look polish [205]

The prosecutor will inform you of the date it comes to court (be aware that the Polish legal system is shockingly slow), and you will have the right to request compensation during the trial.

Life / What is the reason for POLISH jokes ? [486]


A hate campaign is something I wouldn't know about, but my own feeling is that Poles were chosen more or less at random as the butt of those jokes. I looked a few of the jokes up on the internet and wasn't surprised to find that they were identical to the Irish jokes that are told in England, the Jewish jokes that are told in Poland, the Shi-ite jokes that are told in Saudi and the Bedouin jokes that are told by other Arabs! More or less word for word.

It isn't as if there's anything particular to dislike about PolAms, and there isn't any particular group in the US who have a vested reason to make fun of Poles - these things just happen.

Nevertheless, in England it's now considered offensive to tell Irish jokes, and Americans perhaps ought to think about stopping the Polish jokes.


It sounds German, but can also be northern English.

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


A commendable idea, but would it engage them as much as WOSP? There was famine relief long before Live Aid, but if that's what it took to get the donations coming, so be it.

Plenty of priests, nuns etc were helping the most wretched people before Mother Theresa came along, but her media-savvyness got people's attention and that was no bad thing.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Enough already. Torq and I had a disagreement, strong words were used, then we got sick of it. Because unlike you, both he and I prefer having stimulating debates to trolling.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

ender
stop trolling!

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

Amazing how some people seem pathologically incapable of apologising for their errors. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. :-))

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Because you're still trying to pathetically save face by your usual combination of lies and insults.

It was already boring yesterday.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Don't worry - people can make up their own mind. They already know that you said liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, with the police watching and doing nothing, possibly at the request of the Polish government.

This is clearly a lie, no matter how much you humiliate yourself by trying to wriggle out of it.

Since it never happened, you couldn't offer proof, just some spurious 'eyewitnesses' from the provinces (funny how none of the locals seemed to notice anything) and some heresay from a discredited politician.

And to make things worse, all you do subsequently is to fire insults. The words retard and Goebbels come to mind. True to form. Not only that, you resurrected the thread a day later when everyone is already sick of it.

Why not just be man enough to apologise, in case strangers reading the forum assume wrongly that all Polish people are as nasty and dishonest as you. Now buzz off, you're beginning to be a bore.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Because it is true. You claimed repeatedly that liberals were torturing old ladies with lit cigarettes in the centre of the capital, even with crowds watching. As I remember, you even said the police were watching and doing nothing, possibly at the request of the Polish government.

It doesn't matter how many insults you throw (clearly a right-wing habit), you were still caught out lying in a particularly shameful way, and are too cowardly to face up to that. Why not just apologise for your lies and crawl back under a stone? It isn't as if anything you say here has any credibility anymore.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


Once again you've got the wrong end of the stick. Never mind though, we're all used to it.
Unless you think all the partition era palaces in Slask were built by the Piasts.
Now run along and stop trolling, before you embarass yourself further.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


You'd make a good one. Interesting if anyone is rattling round Germany using a title from Slask.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Yes, absolute deliberate lies.
Back again with more bitter right-wing spleen to vent. You've proved that you're prepared to lie through your back teeth, and though I glanced at the pompous blustering attempts made to vindicate your earlier lies (which I'm afraid we have to assume are also lies - nothing you now say is believable), your earlier lie still stands out.

Namely that liberals were torturing old ladies with burning cigarettes in the main (and most heavily policed) street of Warsaw while a crowd watched.

Found any proof? No, of course not, it was a bare-faced lie. Now run along before people reading the thread think that all Polish people are as morally bankrupt as you. Anything else you've posted since must be disregarded since it is probably also fantasy.

History / Silesia occupation [49]

If I remember, it was of his more readable pieces, about the destructiveness of regional identity and the impact on international relations caused by territorial integrity - basically sub-national cultural identity is the start of the slippery slope towards being dominated.

He wrote it around the time of the 'Europe of a thousand flags' movement which has some support among the farthest of the far right, especially in Germany and Italy and among the 'dark green' movement in the UK. It was maybe a rebuttal of their ideas. I think it's still floating round the internet.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


Why not stop pointlessly arguing and actually check out the EU's regional strategy - it isn't as if there's any dearth of material about it. Plenty online, so you don't even have to leave your bedroom.


Nobody ever said it was a true autonomy between the wars - we are talking about regionalism, not independence. Slask does however have a very long history, whether you like it or not.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


You may try, but you've never succeeded, fat boy, and you never will.
Nobody's talking about what you amusingly call the "Sillesian authonomous movement" which is more a nineties thing than anything else - we are talking about the regionalisation of EU funding, which you as an American probably wouldn't understand, and the cultural attributes of Slask as a discrete historical Entity. The UK is often mentioned in relation to this - indeed Maciej Giertych (he's an MEP, you know) wrote a very interesting paper on the matter which upset the Scots somewhat.

But once again, you fail to follow the thread and start coming out with obscenities. Won't be long before the next ban, Sokpuppet.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


I don't want separation - I am pro UK and as far as I'm concerned Scotland is an independent country anyway, but if they decide to go it alone I'm not going to join the army and fight with them. As Mr Salmond said, after independence Scotland and England would be best friends.

The arguments for and against are complex and sometimes silly, with taproom hotheads on one side wanting a backdated check for oil revenues and their equally hotheaded opponents retorting by suggesting a backdated check to represent the enormous benefits that Scottish commerce got after union when they suddenly had tariff free access to India. All this is spurious history and one argument against Scots independence that I heard recently was that as a member state in the Eurozone (which Scotland would have no choice about) they would in fact have far less autonomy than they do now. And as a state with a weak economy and a huge state sector that would be a very bad idea.

English people who support Scots independence often point out how rich England would be after a split (especially since the Ulstermen would be a Scots rather than an English matter), and England is by far the richest part of the UK, but I only see problems.

Whereas the synergy created by Scotland and England has probably been the most successful alliance in the history of the world.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]

Torq
Your last post is one of the weakest, most blustering, most straw-clutching, most meagre attempts to keep on wriggling out of a bed of lies that I've seen in several years here. Unworthy of response except to say I no longer expect proof, because there clearly isn't any.

I'll just end with a couple of quotes, which are worth people remembering:



The truth doen't fit so hey, why not make something up.

BTW, I very rarely read Gazeta Wyborcza - from a journalistic point of view it is exceptionally high quality and acknowledged as such within the industry but I tend to read 'Polska' for the news and 'Fakt' for the crime reports.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


There were moves towards regionalism under the Major administration, with the Regional Development Corporations, which local politicians hated because it took some of their power away, and various ideas floated in the Blair years which never proved popular, but you're right, the UK (England anyway) has never much liked the idea.

What Sokrates (an American who pretends to be more Polish than the Poles) almost certainly doesn't know (or understand) is that quite a few politicians, especially in Upper Silesia are keen on the idea of European funding going directly to them, perhaps not as directly as the Germany/Denmark border region - which wouldn't be popular in Pl - but allowing them to have a greater say in the use of funds. Indeed some of the EU money has to be spent regionally.

As for Alec Salmond - he doesn't have universal support in Scotland, and the issues surrounding devolution are very complicated - more so than the Velvet Divorce - but if the Scots really want to leave the Union and confirm that by a legally constituted referendum we can't stop them by any ethical or democratic means. And polls show that they would leave with most English people's blessing. As I presume from your user name you support the ConDems - or at least the cons - I would have thought you'd like the idea - it's very much in the electoral interests of the Tories to say goodbye to Wales and Scotland.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Happily - he has been exposed lying in public quite a few times. Remember he is a/ a politician, b/ a East European politician and c/ a right-wing East European politician. He wouldn't know truth if he met it with it's trousers down in a bush.

But that's a different story, deleted in case the louse tried to save his failing reputation by abusing the libel laws - a more likely explanation is that his belt buckle slipped and somebody (presumably short-sighted) was helping him fix it. Happens all the time - maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt? Who knows? Since it happened a few years ago when he was still the fat guy who'd been a child actor in the film about the twins who stole the moon and whose brother was planning to stand as mayor it may simply be a case of mistaken identity. That description could have fitted anyone back in those heady days, and I wasn't wearing my glasses (it being a popular summertime cruising area) when everyone pointed him out. But that's just hearsay, so we can't accept it as in any way true. Since the truth needs to be backed up with proof.

But JK and JKM don't post here. It is you who talked about liberals torturing old ladies in the street in the centre of Warsaw in front of a crowd of spectators. And again you try to wriggle out of it.

So come on then - provide at least a photo, not just word of mouth from an unpopular politician of questionable ethics, one thrown out of office by the Polish people before his term had even ended, and a former politician who stabbed himself and blamed it on a mystery Chinese assailant. Also thrown out of office by the Polish electorate. Not that either of them is stupid enough to claim to have actually seen anything. Who's your next source going to be? Jozef Fritzl?


Very.


There's plenty out there on the web, and most people would feel a bad taste in their mouth looking.


So the police were all hired after the election? None of the mohairs had a cameraphone? The police stood by and held back those brave Poles trying to help the poor old ladies being brutally tortured by other Poles, in front of a governmenbt building in the middle of the capital? You have a very low opinion of your own country.

Come off it - you're lying, you know your lying, everyone else knows you're lying and your attempt to wriggle out of it failed miserably. We can only assume that any other 'facts' you post are of the same dubious value.

History / Silesia occupation [49]


You'd think that would be relevant, but it isn't. Not least because no concrete proposals have been formulated, discussed at either a local or national level or put to the voters yet.


Case very much open, for the reason above. Your comment:


is rather silly, since regionalism is a complex thing about identity, dialect and culture, all of which in Silesia have been very much a focus of "increasing interest" since 1989.

Now run along young man, it must be well past your bedtime.

History / Silesia occupation [49]

Any area or region has the right to seceed and declare independence provided they have a referendum open to all residents of that region, regardless of identity. The Silesians (a distinct group, by the way, with a foot in two countries) aren't interested in independence, but there is a move towards more regional autonomy and Katowice certainly wants this. No reason they shouldn't get it either.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Anyone else however would.
Again, please supply some proof. Since you haven't, we can only assume your lying, and if the so-called eye-witnesses exist, they're highly disreputable as witnesses - did do anything about the old ladies that the evil liberals were openly torturing in the street in fron of a crowd of hostile witnesses? Did anyone else? Probably thousands of cameras - pretty well one on every phone - did anyone photograph this flagrant assault on human dignity? The protest you referred to was at the most high-profile spot in the entire country, right outside the Presidential Palace - CCTV everywhere. Did any of those record it? No? Because it never happened - Torq, you are posting bare-faced lies. I suspect you made it up, however if these "friends" exist, they are liars.

You're still trying to wriggle your way out of the situation. Stop being a coward and provide some actual truth for your claim, which after all, is a pretty serious one, or admit your lies.

Otherwise we'll have to assume (and many people here do anyway) that any other "facts" you post here are bullsh1t too.

Life / walk on the 1st january? ( City of Glogow) [9]

Maybe they were going to burn a witch. Didi they have flaming torches?

Given that it's Glogow, anything is possible. Check out “Die Jesuiterkirche in G."

nb.
reposted because it is relevant to Glogow, as anyone familiar with either the history of Glogow or of European literature should know.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


The vast majority of the insults were from the religious fanatics abusing passers by. Any counter demonstration was a genuine public response to a group of troublemakers who were blocking the streets in front of the Presidential Palace in the presence of international TV crews and making Piesoland Europe's laughing stock.

But as you say - let people be the judge of that.


All I see is a fairly peaceful demonstration in the first film, and some spotty teenagers in the second.
Since you've obviously learned how to use secular techbology like youtube, why not find a film to support your bare-faced lie. I'll remind you what it was. That "GW supporters" (whatever that means) were torturing old ladies with burning cigarettes in a crowded (and camera'd) street, in the part of the city centre with the most thorough surveillance in the country.

I'd remind you, by the way, that the people you call "anti-catholic protesters" were in fact on the side of the law and the elected government, whereas the god-botherers were trying to force their opinions on the entire country, who breathed a collective sigh of relief when they eventually stopped illegal assemblies and went home. Thank goodness the cold weather set in.


Stop using obscenities, especially in a language that isn't yours and which you don't feel the nuances of - basically keep the toilet-talk to yourself, and frankly I have no idea what your relatives, quick or dead, have to do with Gazeta's sales figures. Nor do I care, since on past form you'll probably just come out with another pack of unpleasant and tasteless lies (see above, the granny-torture bit).

Alll I am really interested in is that you provide some proof (there would be plenty, were it even half true) that "GW supporters", were torturing.... (see above)!

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]

TVP2, TVN and Canal+ as well as local stations.

Don't forget you can donate by SMS.


media2.pl/media/60268-final-wosp:-plan-transmisji-w-tv,-numery-sms.html

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Nothing in this thread suggests you know how to, and nothing I've written here half matches some of your bitter and paranoid comments. Then again, you're just trying to wriggle out of that nonsense about liberals torturing old ladies in a crowded (and cctv'd) street in the middle of the capital in broad daylight.


As I thought, a bare-faced lie. Though anyone who would travel all the way from Slupsk to watch that dreadful spectacle outside the Presidential Palace and then tell ridiculous stories about urban intellectuals


is automatically suspect. Unless they just happened to be passing by.


Probably because it never happened.


Yes. There were plenty of cameras there and a more or less permanent film crew. Oddly enough the only offensive behaviour there that I saw with my own eyes were the god-botherers screaming insults at bemused tourists and passers-by.

And if it had happened and people did nothing, what does that say about your fellow Poles who were present?

Interesting how you've twisted a thread on the sales figures of Poland's biggest mainstream quality newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza to rants about an obscure and politically extreme tabloid, aimed squarely at the elderly, that you are an apologist for.

Mind you, the overwhelming majority of people in Poland don't bother reading any newspaper at all. Not on the whole a good sign, but at least they aren't all beating a path to the news kiosks to buy some conservative rag.

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]

Is it tomorrow? Good luck to them.

And it's true, there have been reports of them being condemned from the pulpit - the reason why is anyone's guess.

News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]


Maybe some proof of this?


Considering that Nasz Dziennik is a downmarket tabloid, almost any generalisation about its readership can seem insulting.


This from you!

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]

That sounds like the UFO paradox: one the one hand the universe is so vast that anything could be and probably is out there, but on the other hand, the chance is negligible that whatever is out there is at a similar enough stage of evolution to be able to (or want to) communicate with us.

The writers (more accurately storytellers, since it started as an oral thing) of Genesis seemed to believe that something existed, with that intriguing passage about "sons of gods". Muslims believe in 'djinns', a whole parallel set of beings living among us but somehow in a different dimension. Quantum physics may prove them right, and there are Muslim scientists who've risked their academic reputation to discuss this! Though I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

News / Poland's atheist loonies have had their 5 minutes [239]


This is true. Some might say "a god" instead of "God", however


complicates things. Many cultures (including European) believe in various entities (spirits, angels, call them whatever) as well as a supreme being. When that supreme being or those entities are described and worshipped, then it becomes religion.

There are so many religions in the world. Some deluded people believe that theirs is the only right one and all others are in error, others believe each is but a way of looking at the truth, and more and more people believe they are all just mythology. I prefer to keep my mind open. Providing they don't start telling me how to live, on the basis of their beliefs.