What do Poles owe to Russians?

Were speaking of WWII arent we? Yes the Russians did 'exterminate' Polish elite.

False, their goals were pretty much similar from the very beginning:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_Conferences

Sean, Legend and Robert, I was talking about the period 1945 and later. The Soviets tried to win Poles` approval for the new system that was being prepared for Poland, so they avoided blatant massacres they had been doing before, in Katyn and elsewhere.

Aha, sorry, that wasn't clear. The Soviets were used to getting their own way around that time. Britain and the US were rather conciliatory, let's say. Poles had very little leeway at that time.

You have a soft spot for the Soviets, haven't you...

He's a Ukrainian Jewish Pole ;)

Roughly 300 years of repression, destruction of not only of their nationhood but also their cultural achievements (if they had any) and countless Gulags so we can take good care of them on their well-deserved retirement but I’m afraid that the Chinese will beat us to it, they need raw materials.

Yes, General Miroslaw Hermaszewski going into space is cool.

But the coolest thing to me is that the Soviet Space missions were really Polish Konstantin Ciolkowski (Tsiolkovsky's) dream.

Ciolkowski is the one who came up with all the foundations of the Soviet space mission.

Russians Korolev & Glushko both read Ciolkowski's work & put Rockets into space using Ciolkowski's formula's for Rocket Fuel, Rocket Propulsion, Multi stage Rockets, Astronautic theory, Space Stations.

Wernher Von Braun also used Ciolkowski's work to put rockets into space.

I think Nazis were worse. Nazis would have never put a Pole into space. They would have killed Poles like that.

Although Nazis were major hypocrites because they endorsed & used some Polish technologies. Like Paul Nipkow a Kashubian who invented Television.
Nazis had him invent the Television for Nazi Germany.
&
Nazis endorsed Pole Max Skladanowsky for inventing Cinema in Germany.

Germans are strange people.

This is not entirely true because as this link shows poles.org/DB/Pol_Astros/Pol_Astros.html

The USA has sent some Polish guys into space too. They may have been American, and not Polish, citizens but their surnames (except for the 2nd from the left's) sure look Polish.

Karol J. Bobko was impressive.
He actually commanded missions.

Let's face it Poles are the creators of Rocketry with Kazimierz Siemenowicz & Konstantine Ciolkowski & the Lunar Rover by Mieczyslaw Bekker.

Rocketry exists because of Poles.

The Russian Communists took my Grandmother's land from the village of Debowiec. She received a letter in the 1950's while living in Chicopee, Massachusetts offering her money for the possessions they stole. She took that letter and threw it to the ground and she spit on it. My grandmother's family had land and a mansion house filled with master art works, Polish, Frence, Italian -- gone all gone. She would not touch a penny of that blood money. I work now with many Russians-- many of them Armenain Russians-- who also suffered under those nightmare regimes. You cannot blame the people for a dictating government. But I grew up with stories of the oppressors -- Russians, Germans, Austrio-Hungarians. My great-grandfather killed a German and had to flee to the US before he himself was killed. My great-Aunt helped hide Jewish school children-- also in Debrowiec from the Nazis. However, that same Aunt helped a Russian pilot-- then our "allie" shot from the sky by the Germans. She rescued him before the Nazis could kill him and nursed him back to health. So. I have written a book based on the story of my family and the history of the great nation that is Poland. THE WOMEN DEBROWSKA. You can find out more about it @ violethillsproductions.com

A better question for a title would be.

What do Germans owe Russians & Poles.

As Germans did so much damage in both world wars to our nations.

It is the Germans who sent the Bolsheviks to Russia during WW1.

Which 62 million Slavs died under the Soviet Union.

Germans are directly & indirectly responsible for the death of about 100 - 150 million dead Slavs in about a 30 year period. As well as all of the Loss of buildings, art, manuscripts ect.

Of course all the rapes, tortures ect.

Germany should be forced to give us their entire land. Then be forced to work as our Slaves for 10,000 years untill they pay us back the damages.

Hey...make it 300...or wait....500 millions is even better...half a billion! I'm sure you will get there in time!

;)


Yeah...sure....we all work in Poland and you holidaying in Germany....that way we will both go broke very soon! Not a good idea...no no!

Your idea in that other thread about going to war with the US was more sound and sane!

Maybe you should read about the damage the Soviets did to humanity before you even start discussing.

Yes, & the Soviets were created because of Germany.

Russia kicked the Bolsheviks out.

Germany during WW1 sent the Bolsheviks with supplies & funding & the lead Bolshevik Anti Russian Half Volga German Lenin.

Who Lenin is responsible for the deaths of about 28 million Russians when you count the Bolshevik Revolution, Russian Civil war, Volga Famine ect.

Then the Bolsheviks who were like 90 percent Jewish & Had barely any Russians appointed Georgian Stalin the Butcher to be the head Soviet.

Germans & Jews are both directly responsible for the creation of the Soviet Union.

By, German Blooded Tsar Nicholas II messing Russia up so bad is why any Russians even supported the Bolsheviks to begin with.

Germans are the cancer of humanity.

But..but...but...you can not really demand that he learns about the Soviets too???
After all he knows already nothing about Germany, Poland nor the US (the country he lives in). The Soviets would so ovewhelm his two braincells...that is to much.

Ummm.....did anyone notice how in the first pic Pawian posted that the astronaut on the left has his head and hands Photoshopped onto the original astronaut? lol.... I was looking at the head and it looked a bit bigger than the body and thought how the helmet shield could possibly close over it....then I looked at this bottom hand and realized that it was well oversize and cut in the edge as if out of a clipping....

lol, gotta love Communist Propaganga.

The Nazis did do a lot of bad. The 'communists' as well. During the Bolvshevik era there was a fight because of our 'zydowskie przyjaciółmi' who were in charge of the bolshevik revolution as well as the Polish-Russian war. In the early times they were trotsky, lenin, etc (im not kidding they were zydzi any google site or book will tell you). However when it comes to the slavic race it was STALIN who butchered us.

Im not sure where you got the number 150 million from but I have heard it somewhere (cant remember).
I think its more like 50-100 million more accurately.

really? Are you Russian?

here get some taste of that cancer:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germans

Please don't tell me, that you're an American because I'm gonna have to apologize everyone on PF for your stupidity.


no one denies it but the Soviets did even more (much more)

Back to the topic, no one owes anyone anything. The war is over, move on !!!

Stalin was Georgian (I doubt he was Jewish). He used the people to butcher other people.


was he really German? source please.

Well, he is ! You may start to apologize !\

Soviets killed tens of millions of slavs.
Germans killed tens of millions of slavs.

Im talking about 1900AD+

I have some numbers but if you do please share.

Tsar Nicholas II orgins go directly back to the German House of Oldenburg.

yep, they murdered 42 lmn people, the Nazis about 9 mln. Terrible numbers, everyone knows it but if you're unable to forgive, we'll always have war and hatred all around the world.

Interesting.

All I got was


Im not good with family connection/lineages though (pain in the ass)


Nazi/Germans killed


Soviets at the very least (by wikipedia numbers but they underestimate imo)
Add to that 3,000,000 Poles.
Thats just WWII.
Add to this WWI.And other events

The Amount of Slavs that died (Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, etc).
Including and after WWI is at least 40 million, PolskiMoc says 62 million, Ive seen 66 million on one source.

Germans are the most vile people to ever live. No stupidity there. Just facts.

Nazism & Communism were both invented in Germany.

The Nazi Government was done by Germans of course. The Soviet Government created indirectly by Germans.

Germans created the Illimunati who are behind the N.W.O. as well asGermans created the Rosacrucians who's links to the Georgia Guidestone's supports the N.W.O

The main person behind the N.W.O are German Protestants the Rockerfellers.
But, Also German Jews like Rothschilds (Light German Jews) as well Henry Kissinger, Warburgs, ect

But, Of course British Royal Family were Germans. The Russian Tsars were mostly German. Lenin was half Volga German & Got support of the German Government.

Most U.S Presidents are related to the German British Royal Family.
U.S president George W Bush has ruined the U.S & He is related to the German British Royal Family.

Much like the Germans looted & pillaged & destroyed Rome

Germans had a hand in the Spanish empire with the Habsburghs.

Of course 2 world wars where Germans created terrible crimes.

There is way too much. Germans are indeed the Cancer of humanity.

Rummel estimates the total democide death toll of Nazi Germany to be 21 million.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_death_toll

Why even argue how many people were killed. Way too many is the answer but it's time for forgiveness or this killing and hatred will never stop.

Besides, to associate the German nation of today with the Nazis is nicely saying an exaggeration.


No they are not. I lived in Germany and met many Germans there. People are people, everywhere you'll find good and bad people.


Where do you live PolskiMoc? and if you live in the US, how long?

Okay so we can agree then (for the most part) 20,000,000 million or more (by the Nazis according to both our numbers).

I agree its time to forgive by the way.

sure we agree to it, just like we agree to 42 mln people murdered by the Soviets.

I'm glad you agreed to finally forgive each other and move on.

There is a difference. Most Soviet deaths were from Famine much of it due to the bad policies of Communism.

While under Nazis most deaths happened by direct Murder.

As much as 78 million died in WW2

About as much as 37 million died in WW1

Both started by Germans.

In WW2 about 6 million Poles died. I actually think that number is low. When you count the Invasion of Poland, Warsaw uprising ect along with the Holocaust.

About 1 million Poles died in WW1

Without Germany there would be no Soviet Union

In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."

Most of the Russian Tsars were German.

TheRussian Tsar who became the most genocidal against Poles at that time was Catherine the UNgreat the German Kurwa

Germans are scum.

I don't care what anyone says. Germans are cowards. That is why they act nice but they are the biggest scum on the planet.

The worst time under the Soviets were when Russia had no control.
So few of the Bolsheviks were Russian.

This list is not even completely right because Lenin was Half Volga German. He was also Swedish, Jewish, Kalmyk, Mordovin, Chuvash ect.

Lenin actually hated Russians.

Of course Stalin was Georgian! He was appointed by the head of the Soviets! but he was appointed by a group that had a minority of Russians

Here is the list of Ethnicity of Bolsheviks

The most detailed description of Jewish influence in the Bolshevik 'revolution comes from Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government. (This does not appear in the later English translation, for some odd reason.) After the publication of this monumental work, Wilton was ostracised by the press, and he died in poverty in 1925. He reported that the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:

NAME NATIONALITY
Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Lourie (Larine) Jew
Ouritski Jew
Volodarski Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew
Smidovitch Jew
Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew
Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian

"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY
President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
Food Schlichter Jew
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
State Control Lander Jew
State Lands Kauffman Jew
Works V. Schmidt Jew
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Religions Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Hygiene Anvelt Jew
Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
Press Volodarski Jew
Elections Ouritski Jew
Justice I. Steinberg Jew
Refugees Fenigstein Jew
Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

"The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:

NAME NATIONALITY
Sverdlov (president) Jew
Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
Bruno Lett
Babtchinski Jew
Bukharin Russian
Weinberg Jew
Gailiss Jew
Ganzburg Jew
Danichevski Jew
Starck German
Sachs Jew
Scheinmann Jew
Erdling Jew
Landauer Jew
Linder Jew
Wolach Czech
Dimanstein Jew
Encukidze Georgian
Ermann Jew
Joffe Jew
Karkline Jew
Knigissen Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Krylenko Russian
KrassikofSachs Jew
Kaprik Jew
Kaoul Lett
Ulyanov (lenin) Russian
Latsis Jew
Lander Jew
Lounatcharski Russian
Peterson Lett
Peters Lett
Roudzoutas Jew
Rosine Jew
Smidovitch Jew
Stoutchka Lett
Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
Sosnovski Jew
Skrytnik Jew
Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
Teodorovitch Jew
Terian Armenian
Ouritski Jew
Telechkine Russian
Feldmann Jew
Froumkine Jew
Souriupa Ukranian
Tchavtchevadze Georgian
Scheikmann Jew
Rosental Jew
Achkinazi Imeretian
Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
Rose Jew
Sobelson (Radek) Jew
Sclichter Jew
Schikolini Jew
Chklianski Jew
Levine (Pravdine) Jew

"The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:

NAME NATIONALITY
Dzerjinski (president) Pole
Peters (vice-president) Lett
Chklovski Jew
Kheifiss Jew
Zeistine Jew
Razmirovitch Jew
Kronberg Jew
Khaikina Jewess
Karlson Lett
Schaumann Jew
Leontovitch Jew
Jacob Goldine Jew
Glaperstein Jew
Kniggisen Jew
Latzis Lett
Schillenkuss Jew
Janson Lett
Rivkine Jew
Antonof Russian
Delafabre Jew
Tsitkine Jew
Roskirovitch Jew
G. Sverdlof Jew
Biesenski Jew
Blioumkine Jew
Alexandrevitch Russian
I. Model Jew
Routenberg Jew
Pines Jew
Sachs Jew
Daybol Lett
Saissoune Armenian
Deylkenen Lett
Liebert Jew
Vogel German
Zakiss Lett

When you had Non Slavs in control of the Bolsheviks you had up to 62 million Slavs die.

When Russians finally gained control over the Soviets.

Then we had Slavs put the first man into orbit, create the first Satelight into space & the first space station.

Unfortunately Communism stagnates the Economy.

But, There is a HUGE Difference between when Non Russians controlled the Soviet Union & When Russians actually controlled the Soviet Union.

The Non Slavic Soviet Union was hell on earth with Gulags, Famine murders.

The Russian controlled Soviet Union had poverty & stagnation & crappy products. But,At least they were able to accomplish their great Space missions.
Didn't have mass murder.