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Jukrek - | 58  
24 May 2008 /  #31
This forum has its shape. And moaning about posters is not going to change it. We need more Ukrainians than we have now. We will see maybe it will change in future. When Poles form UK will fight with Ukrainians for low paid jobs. When Crisise will appear in Poland. Spain has problems with economy, UK has problems with economy the same Estonia ...

We will see. What is sure Brtis moaning about Poles are good for our economy.

eszcze jeden polaczek-polonofob atakujacy Polaka przy obcych, zeby tylko blysnac? Wiec ciagle sa w Polsce takie kreatury? Ja myslalem ze wyginely razem z PRL-em. Aha, twoj angielski jest bardzo kiepski.

ja bym powi edział ze j eszcze jeden po lak robacy z siebie żyda i krzyczący dlaczego opowwadacie kawaly o polakach dla czego niektozy nas nie lubia.

(specjanie z błedami)
southern 75 | 7,096  
24 May 2008 /  #32
When Poles form UK will fight with Ukrainians for low paid jobs

?
So you think these people emigrated to UK in order to fight against Ukrainians for low paid jobs when they get back to Poland?
Jukrek - | 58  
24 May 2008 /  #33
Poles coming back form UK to Poland maybe in future. not now

btw I have seen some shemales form Greece in warsaw so Polands economy is much stronger than it was some time ago
Puzzy 1 | 150  
24 May 2008 /  #34
We need more Ukrainians

- 'We' meaning who? Who are those 'we'? I don't think many Polish people are fond of Ukrainians. Zapraszaj w swoim imieniu, nie w moim i milionow innych Polakow.

Brtis moaning about Poles are good for our economy

- But are they good for Poles working in UK, especially those brutally insulted and beaten up (mainly in Scotland), and even killed? Have you ever thought about it? Who the hell are you to talk like this and puff yourself up with imagined importance?

Konkretnie dlaczego powiedzialbys: 'Jeszcze jeden Polak robiacy z siebie Zyda,' cio? Wyjasnij.
:)
PS. Twoj angielski jest kompromitujacy.
southern 75 | 7,096  
24 May 2008 /  #35
btw I have seen some shemales form Greece in warsaw

Yes I know,they work in construction.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
24 May 2008 /  #36
So you think these people emigrated to UK in order to fight against Ukrainians for low paid jobs when they get back to Poland?

- Good question, southern.
:)

This guy seems to be a butthead trying to sound important. If he likes Ukrainians so much, why the hell doesn't he move out to the Ukraine? He says he's an historian, and if he really is one, and knows what happened in the Kresy in 1940s and what millions of Ukrainians think about it today, and still loves Ukrainians, his place is in the Ukraine, not in Poland.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
24 May 2008 /  #37
The exodus is believed to be one of the largest migrations by Europeans since the 1950s, when a wave of Irish crossed the Atlantic to escape poverty.

I am not disputing this by any means, actually there was massive immigration right up until about 8 years ago. And that has been happening for hundreds of years. There are Irish people all over the world, I would say mostly U.S.A, U.K. and Germany.

All of my friends have moved back to Ireland to work, because they knew (for the first time in Irish history) that there were opportunities. That is my generation, my older brother's generation and every generation before that, if they left, they left for good.

Poland still has a long way to go and the people who have left probably won't believe the positive changes that have taken place over the last 3 years.

Let the Ukrainians go to work here in Poland.
And for God sake get rid of all the bureaucracy.
As Poland gets better, people will not leave.
It is a better thing to complain about too much work , than not enough.
noimmigration  
24 May 2008 /  #38
Out of curiosity, do poles feel shame or embarressment about millions of their countrymen fleeing to britain.

Does the press coverage in britain not embarress you ?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
24 May 2008 /  #39
Does the press coverage in britain not embarrass you ?

I am not Polish, but why would moving to britain embarrass anyone?
noimmigration  
24 May 2008 /  #40
I would be embarressed if millions of british people flocked to eastern europe to work in unskilled employment like cleaning toilets, gutting fish.

I would be embarressed if brits claimed benefits, housing, health and social care. Everybody in britain is against mass immigration and the immigration of poles to the uk does that not embarress you.

I would be embarressed if the british were known as europes toilet cleaners.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
24 May 2008 /  #42
I would be embarressed if the british were known as europes toilet cleaners.

I disagree, I think people who want to better their lives and go to live with edgits like you should be given medals.
I think English people would be embarrassed at you for being such a bigot.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
24 May 2008 /  #43
I would be embarressed if the british were known as europes toilet cleaners.

You seem to be doing your best to give a far worse impression about us.
Wroclaw Boy  
24 May 2008 /  #44
come on Noimmy thats a direct thought because you and your'e family have never had too thanks to us English. Show some respect you little scum bag.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
25 May 2008 /  #45
re: The exodus is believed

- Yeah, 'believed,' but is the belief right?

re: Let the Ukrainians go to work here in Poland

- Why them, of all the nations? They're not our favourite ones.

re: I think English people would be embarrassed at you for being such a bigot.

- He says he's Scottish, actually. I doubt whether he really is one (even though most of the violence against Poles working in UK has been takng place in Scotland; in England the mistreatment of us has been minimal, and so it has been in Ireland Proper).
Neil63 6 | 57  
25 May 2008 /  #46
OK, i feel the need to add my bit. The UK, rightly or wrongly has in modern times opened it's doors for people to come live and work here. Certain elements of the press have highlighted situations where migrant workers have abused the system, i.e benefit payments, housing etc. Sure this has happened and it is wrong. There are also thousand's of British people doing the same, claiming disability benefit, unemployment benefit etc. we are no better. I have worked with many, many people from Central and Eastern Europe over the last few years, some bad, the majority good. . I can honestly say that on balance the migration of people coming here from that part of the world has been a good thing. Most just want to earn money to support themselves and or their families. I now have a lot of Polish friends, many of them have families back in Poland. They are separated from them for months at a time while they work here. During the late 1980's many British people in the construction industry went to Germany to find work because there was nothing here. Is this any different ? Like every country in the world most people just want a quite life and do the best they can for themselves and their families - you will always get someone trying to buck the system, I don't believe people from Central and Eastern Europe are any different than us.
noimmigration  
25 May 2008 /  #47
There are also thousand's of British people doing the same, claiming disability benefit, unemployment benefit etc.

They are not claiming benefits in poland,

During the late 1980's many British people in the construction industry went to Germany

Not over one and a half million of them.

They are separated from them for months at a time while they work here

Not our problem, they are quite happy to dump their children in homes and with old relatives to seek the mighty pound.

I can honestly say that on balance the migration of people coming here from that part of the world has been a good thing

Only if you own a big business, immigration has destroyed the infrastructure of many small towns. Both economically and socially.

A house of lords report which was supported by impartial external moniters, found that immigration has NOT benefited the economy, by any means.

Like every country in the world most people just want a quite life and do the best they can for themselves and their families

mass immigration will destroy this country and immigration will adversly affect the lives of my future family. I dont want masses of eastern europeans in my country. And no I dont want masses of muslims either. unfortuantly the majority of muslims were born here.
Kris 3 | 9  
25 May 2008 /  #48
Well, No Immigration, those are very sweeping and subjective remarks. That is embarrassing because as a student you have not contributed your full potential to your own society yet until you gain your qualifications, and it would seem unwise to make such statements against those who are working and contributing to your country.

Actually, those conveniently smug remarks seem to be from an anxious young man/woman who has yet to find his/her own way in life and in the lack of knowing his/her self/place in this limbo period is subsituated by the hollow sense of security created by their CHOICE to react with such xenophobic comments.

Lets not forget that long before immigration of any foreign nationals in recent times the British/Scottish, like most countries, have been a spiritual, cultural, and genetic melting pot for millennia. Any notion of a country without foreign nationals is pure, or disadvantaged with them, is a dangerous fallacy. It's quite a fine line you are treading.

Do not be an unkind person. Learn to let go of what does not serve you well.
noimmigration  
25 May 2008 /  #49
........... NO !
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
25 May 2008 /  #50
I would be embarressed if millions of british people flocked to eastern europe to work in unskilled employment like cleaning toilets, gutting fish.

I would be embarrassed if my countrymen wanted to get rid of foreign toilet cleaners so that they could replace them.

If you really want to be a toilet cleaner in your own country noimmi than it is fine by me, but a little ambition certainly wouldn't go amiss. :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
25 May 2008 /  #51
If you really want to be a toilet cleaner in your own country noimmi

In this case Poles should help him by creating some work.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
26 May 2008 /  #52
Oh boy, I can see that discussion is flourishing with the crude compulsive liar, Polonophobic and Muslim-phobic hate-monger and media slogans repeater calling himself 'nonimmigration.' I think he should've been long kicked out from this board by Admin e.g. for promoting physical violence against Poles, but Admin still keeps him in...I wonder why? Enjoying throwing sh.it at the Poles by the vulgar? One doesn't talk seriously with certain creatures, that is, if one values oneself at all.

:)
noimmigration  
26 May 2008 /  #53
well admin obviously does not want me to go do they?. Live with it puzzy. !
janekb - | 57  
27 May 2008 /  #54
It should be expected for people to go to places where they consider to be able to have better life. Unfortunately first to go are young, with the most drive, and valuable skills. It is a great loss for any nation and it is in the interest of the ppulation to prevent that. The problem is how. Up to 1990 there was a fearsom border, quite efficient but unpopular.

Myself I do not think that cleaning toilets or gutting fish is a degrading job. For what I know it pays better than doing it in Poland. I hope that Poles who do it do not plan to make a carriere out of it, unless they lack abilities. After all we are all paid for what we are able to do, if the job requires perfect command of the foreign language, then non native speaker will be handicapped. I know some who were Polish lawyers and worked as laborers, knowing full well that their education was not applicable in the other country.

I myself live in Poland. To entice people to come back to Poland would not be easy as now they will have to make brake with their new country, friends and way of life. In Poland pay, weather, infrastructure are lousy on the top of it damn expensive as well. For what I hear working conditions and treatment are not very pleasant. As much as I hate to see young leaving it is nearly impossible to find arguments to keep them in.

Keeping that in mind I will curtail spending on education unless EU will subsidize it since they will leave as soon as opportunity arises. What we will be left with is dumb and poor, just as Germans wanted in 1939.
Harry  
28 May 2008 /  #55
Everybody in britain is against mass immigration

English, motherf*cker! Do you speak it?
Puzzy 1 | 150  
28 May 2008 /  #56
English, ***********! Do you speak it?

- What English do you expect from a wretched mentally fuked up ethnick pretending to be Scottish, Harry?
:)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
28 May 2008 /  #57
Where did you take your attitude towards the Poles from? From e.g. Daily Express

Now now Pissy where did I write Poles - nowhere! - btw I read the Guardian!

espana

As usual my favourite Spaniard is on the ball! ;-)

And I changed my mind Pissy, why dont you go back to where you were getting treatment for your paranoia, because it's clearly not working!
Puzzy 1 | 150  
28 May 2008 /  #58
where did I write Poles - nowhere!

- Well, you wrote about the negative Brit attitude towards immigration a propos my slamming a type attacking Poles for UK's immigration problems, so I assumed you meant the Poles as those immigrant undesirables the British loathe. But honestly, didn't you really mean the Poles? Be honest, Shtlly. :)

I read the Guardian!

- So? By the way, in order to (unconsciously) acquire messages spread by the media one does not necessarily have to absorb (perceive) the messages directly, or even in a verbal form. Did you know that?

why dont you go back to where you were getting treatment for your paranoia

- Yet another one accusing me of craziness (I hope you don't say you didn't do this because you didn't use the word 'crazy')? Are you mobbin' up against me, poor Puzzy, or what, folks? How about any proof that I'm crazy? Specifically why, according to you, would I be crazy? And if there's no such proof, i.e. I am not crazy after all, then maybe it's those who 'see' craziness where there's no any are the real... you know...?

;)
Wahldo  
31 May 2008 /  #59
Poles as those immigrant undesirables the British loathe

Hahha.. How now Pissy, I thought you and the British were regular pals? Typical Pole , angry simply for the sake of it.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
31 May 2008 /  #60
Typical Pole , angry simply for the sake of it.

puzzy seems a bit paranoid to me, seing insults and abuse towards Poles where there isnt any:

exactly puzzy, you see craziness where there isnt any :)

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