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Shootings in America; over 30 people shot


Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
16 Apr 2007 /  #1
Just on TV here in the UK, how terrible over 30 people shot
Christy 2 | 12  
16 Apr 2007 /  #2
Yeh its sad i no but what can ya do :( :)

I aint seen it on TV yet just read it on the net.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
16 Apr 2007 /  #3
but what can ya do

hmmm... have a serious think about gun laws...?

Let us remember the victims and their families
peterweg 37 | 2,321  
16 Apr 2007 /  #4
This from a guy who know a couple of the victims

But what we do know is that he was a Asian Male in his mid 20s. Some of the people i have talked to that go there told me it all started with a arguement he had with his girlfriend earlier that morning. She was his first victim.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
16 Apr 2007 /  #5
They just said the guy killed 32 people then turned the gun on himself.

Man, That is so messed up wtf is happening to this world?
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
16 Apr 2007 /  #6
He shot himself after he had killed and hurt so many :( Gun laws in the USA are crazy, anyone can own a gun, saying that its getting bad over here
Goonie 8 | 242  
16 Apr 2007 /  #7
yeah that sucked... friggin selfish mofaker
daffy 23 | 1,508  
16 Apr 2007 /  #8
wtf is happening to this world?

insurance. people not taking responsibilty. self medication. no discipline as children. no boundries. no respect/fear of authority consequences. dissillusions from religion and spirituality. anger management (or lack off)

I do agree with guns dont kill people, people kill people (the guns just make it easier)
(this is NOT condoning what happened OR gun use - just the fact that it is people who point and shot them)

The availability of guns should ONLY be in the hands of the armed forces and armed response units of the civil wings. Though, im nearly certain, we'd just find a more 'creative' means of killing one another.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Apr 2007 /  #9
The murder rate in the USA is 20k pa Amathyst..........90% + by gun...in UK......7-800....only.......mostly by gun too.

Its not the gun thats crazy...but those who use them......its a sad reflection of a society that they believe the need to have the right to bear arms!
daffy 23 | 1,508  
16 Apr 2007 /  #10
i should qualify insurance, by that i mean, some places are more afraid of insurance that they are not tight enough on gun control rather just to 'insure' itself from lack of gun control which is tragic
sledz 23 | 2,250  
16 Apr 2007 /  #11
Just heard thats it the worst massacre in U.S history 32 dead, dozens wounded.
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
16 Apr 2007 /  #12
The murder rate in the USA is 20k pa Amathyst..........90% + by gun...in UK......7-800....only.......mostly by gun too.

UK is a lot smaller so those figures are quite scary.

Gun crime has been around for a long time, its just that guns are more available and incidents like this seem to be happening more and more

Just heard thats it the worst massacre in U.S history 32 dead, dozens wounded.

Thats the report I heard on t.v. a little while ago, those poor kids just off to colleage
sledz 23 | 2,250  
16 Apr 2007 /  #13
I do agree with guns dont kill people, people kill people (the guns just make it easier)
(this is NOT condoning what happened OR gun use - just the fact that it is people who point and shot them)

Agree with you there... I own a couple hand guns all legal of course.
There all locked up and never leave my house
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
16 Apr 2007 /  #14
and a 2 hr gap between the first shootings and the second...

... lots of unanswered questions...
Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Apr 2007 /  #15
I own a couple hand guns all legal of course.
There all locked up and never leave my house

Biggest cause of death in under 16s in USA...household weapons......
sledz 23 | 2,250  
16 Apr 2007 /  #16
Thats the report I heard on t.v. a little while ago, those poor kids just off to colleage

thats just terrible they were still kids....... to me anyways

All those families that are suffering.... I feel bad for them

Biggest cause of death in under 16s in USA...household weapons

I believe that... There always a story on the news about 2 kids playing
with a gun and it accidentally goes off
OP Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
16 Apr 2007 /  #17
The sad thing is, nothing will change and thats what upsets me, because those families will never have any kind of retribution.
Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Apr 2007 /  #18
Doubtless they will wheel out the phrase that they hope they haven't died in vain......but we all know they will have.

The feebled minded, inept, inane and those of less than good intentions will continue to have access to these weapons........

The USA public seem content to accept these mass murders as a price worth paying so they can swagger around....being their own individual sheriffs.....laughable....and profoundly sad.
shopgirl 6 | 928  
16 Apr 2007 /  #19
And it seems to be happening more and more in schools. We never had to think of such things when I was in school, the worst thing then was getting caught smoking on campus!
Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Apr 2007 /  #20
And it seems to be happening more and more in schools.

Typically..the most "dangerous" unstable time of a persons life.......unless they have a mental health problem....

The NRA of the USA has its own finger on the trigger when this happens
sledz 23 | 2,250  
16 Apr 2007 /  #21
and a 2 hr gap between the first shootings and the second...

... lots of unanswered questions...

and 2 seperate crime scenes..across campus from each other

What were the cops doing all this time???? unreal
shopgirl 6 | 928  
16 Apr 2007 /  #22
Well, you gotta understand too, that we've got some paranoids (republicans of course)in this country that act as if the "right to bear arms" is the most important part of the constitution, and maybe when the country was founded that was a real need. This makes it hard to get anywhere with gun-control legislation! But things have changed, you aren't so likely to face a bear outside your house when you go out in the morning! Who really needs a gun, now? Hunters, maybe? I can tell you from growing up on a farm with a father who hunted, that handguns do not fall into that category!

Plus there is a social aspect here involving the young people: not as much mentoring, supervision, support, communication as genration or two ago. Parents often do not know what is going on inside their kids heads, or what they are into.

The is a problem with multiple causation, and will need a similiar approach to address the problem!
Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Apr 2007 /  #23
Two hundred years ago...it displays a lack of maturity as a nation and a deep distrust of its government and those who hold office that they believe there is a need to carry/own a gun....indeed, it just goes to show how criminal/brutal areas of the USA are..........that everything has to be settled by blood shed or the ultimate sanction......very worrying.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593  
16 Apr 2007 /  #24
Yeh its sad i no but what can ya do

Take away hand guns. Make hunting rifles the only legal weapons. We have the technology to be able to put a tracer in a gun, so that it will only work when activcated, and the hunter should be registered, then the gun can be activated only during the hunting season, and this will be the only way that people will be able to use guns LEGALLY.

My cousin has a friend who actually helps the police by finding someone who sells illegal automatic rifles, and buys one, brings it to the cops, tells them where to find the guy, and he's been able to help them stash away over a hundred Uzis and other automatics.

Sadly gun crimes are a huge problem in the US, but the bright side is that only a very small percent of gun owners in the US actually use them for crimes.
larry casula 2 | 69  
16 Apr 2007 /  #25
Gun laws in the USA are crazy, anyone can own a gun, saying that its getting bad over here

actuallu amethyst, the gun laws are not crazy at all, you can buy a gun on the black market, they can be infiltrated into our country through our porus borders, and we are protected by our constitution that we have the right to bear arms, if you have a gun you can protect yourself, and imagine this is the worst ever in US and we are over 225 years old, so to have one bad apple in 300 million is not too much to imagine, the reason i believe America is in trouble is the desensitization of our country of the value of LIFE since we had abortion allowed here, over 30 million babies have been mutilated, so where is the justice???.. God is the only righteous and just God, and he holds it all in his hands, man in our frail and unrighteous lives cannot even hold a candle to his righteousness because it is perfect, ..just as God says the sins of the fathers will be in the next generation and the next, so America has set itself on a crash course with ablivion. America is reaping what it has sowed, God says e will not be mocked, whatsoever a man sows that he will also reap. So when life is not honored, it is no longer regarded in such a magnificent way God holds it, so we are destined for this destruction because of our own actions. God will allow these thigs because we are not in his will. Now it is not all abortion but it started with it and the slippery slope was achieved and with every game with murders, and cops killed and every song that degrades human life, what are we to expect?? just such an occurance,

act as if the "right to bear arms" is the most important part of the constitution, and maybe when the country was founded that was a real need.

Yes shopgirl it is important, it is not the gun that killed, it was the person... Gun control will only cause more problems, Austrailia has it and murders increased dramatically, obviously you never met anyone who had a relative killed by a murderous thug.... or maybe you did?? Has WWII gotten by any of us???? remember the murders of our families by the germans and russians??? There is a reason not to have it, because once you dont have a means for the people to defend themselves we will have anarchy..

if you believe that for one second that Iran would not overrun a defensless country , think again, if they are bold enough to take 15 people hostage and break all international laws and protocol, as well as the genieva convention it will be a rouge nation that will be an agressor. So lets not be too quick to start to judge the Guns...

it starts inside people...if you have a people who can not pray anymore in school, and get sued because the 10 commandments are offensive in a public forum, and that there are groups in this country that want to eliminate God from every aspect of our lives..then what do you think we will end up with????? Yes..the answer is very easy...

A people who do not value life, and when life is devalued, then you do not stand as a great nation..America used to be a great nation, but she is no longer a great nation, because her leaders, past and present have disregarded the real value of life and freedom and have chosen a political climate of hatred and animosity, and self righteousness, and all i can do is quote Jesus who said... there is none righteous, except for the Father.

Amythyst and shopgirl, i respect your opinoins, i just used them to make a point, it is not that easy and isdeeper than just a gun law, so I am not ganging up on you just quoting you to make a point, i want to protect my family, I had a great great uncle murdered by the SS, so yes i believe in the right to bear arms, do i want to take a knife to a gun fight as the Indiana Jones would say.. So yes when they come with a gun they smuggled in, how do I plan to protect my family, with a squirt gun???

have a good night , this is my side of the opinion, its not just a republican cause, i know many many democrats, and know of a congressional democrat who carried a gun in Washington DC where it is illegal, and he was quoted as saying he had it for his own protection, so it is not just republicans, in such a politically charged atmosphere in america, please dont characterize republicans with this issue, it just spreads untruth and gossip, and shows that you are not totally informed on the subject, not to be mean about it, but before you criticize someone or a group make sure you have all the facts first, otherwise you are discredited when someone knows a bit more, and I say this only for your benefit not mine, because there are those out there who will be offended, and it did come across as offensive and abusive and finger pointing, and man i tell you I am so sick of the political scene here in America, i am so tired of the name calling and blame game, they both are as guilty and both parties are to blame for everything here, so there is again not one righteous, they are self righteous, and yes i am registered Republican, and I am blasting my own side!!! They are weak and have no skin or Jajka!!

So i am not criticizing you guys, my ???? are for us to think about things, not to say ahaaaa, take care.

but the bright side is that only a very small percent of gun owners in the US actually use them for crimes

Art is correct !!! And the reason he is is because we do have the right to bear arms, and people know that, I think if I put a sign on my door that says i will shoot forst and ask questions later if you think you are going to enter my house to rob , steal or kill us, i think they will pass. Guns actually deter crime.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
16 Apr 2007 /  #26
Well,

I have something to say, this was long before I met my husband now.

I do know what your saying, but also what amathysts and everyone else is saying

my ex boyfriend held a gun to my head, we had broke up a short time, then
he begged me to come back, like a idiot I did, then he started asking questions
on who I was dating while i was not with him. it escalated, because I told him
to drop it, and he pulled his gun after I said I was leaving.

I never told my mom, dad, no one till later on. otherwise, especially my uncle
he would have went after him. it was the scariest moment of my life aside from
almost losing my daughter. which i would have never even had the chance to have
had I died that night.

I calmed him down, enough to pass out, he was a sick demented man.
and still to this day, because his family lives all over my area, i ocassionally
run into them, and they say hello, and tell me how he still uses drugs, alcolhol
etc, and you know what his guns were for? Hunting.. thats it, to shoot animals
which I couldnt stand him doing even when we werent fighting.

yes, thats my little story. I am lucky to be alive right now. I wish guns were melted
people snap like this guy did. and Over What?? well, he cant tell us now can he?
nor can his girfriend or the other 31 people he killed.

who were innocent. I am all for a huge meltdown!
People think they are to protect. but what good larry does it do you if you shoot
this guy in your home, you go to jail, the laws are backwards. this guy enters
your home, then what? you know, your supposed to exit the back door , if you have
one, if you dont, then you have just cause to shoot.

anyway, IMHO I think guns suck! so do all the idiots who kill with them
rot in hell is what they will do..
shopgirl 6 | 928  
16 Apr 2007 /  #27
There is a reason not to have it, because once you dont have a means for the people to defend themselves we will have anarchy..

This sounds like rampant paranoia to me!!!!!!!!! Who exactly are you afraid of???
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
17 Apr 2007 /  #28
how do I plan to protect my family, with a squirt gun???

Larry, I can tell you since our familys lived here in the states, I have never seen a gun
in our home, never was there one for my grandfather, who came in 1901. nor on my
moms side of the family , none of my relatives aside from those who are in law
enforcement own guns.

none of my family that I know of ( know more then those distant cousins) own guns
either.

The only cousin who was shot, due to a gun, was one that, unfortunately was involved
in Drugs, and prob more, but it was wrong place situation.
that was quite a long time ago. no gun will enter my home, and my daughters will
not marry, or date a gun happy hunter, I will step in. they know, I teach them real
world issues. real life issues. I dont candy coat anything! this is life, this is how mom
did it. this is what to avoid, this is what happens! they understand and it should be
how things are. never hide anything, because it will be that same thing that causes
the most pain and I would rather scare the pants of my daughters then lose them
later on. GUNS + Carelessness - bad news. totally against them and also to boot
Im for the democrats. seen the congressman for illinios last night, he made some
sense, wish he was running for the pres.
clunkshift 2 | 82  
17 Apr 2007 /  #29
Any murder is tragic but it is easy to lose a sense of perspective, or value one life more than another.

30 people die in one incident in America and it is tragic world news. But how many innocent people die in iraq every day?
On Saturday 14th it was 47 dead and 224 wounded
On Sunday 15th it was only 45 dead

In the case of Iraqi civilians actually killed by US soldiers, only about 1/3 receive a "condolence payment" and these are capped at $2500

I recall the furore that Ralph Nader caused when he equated a car design decision that the cost of re-designing a gas tank, compared to the probable compensation payments to crash victims wasn't worth it - and an Iraqi life is valued at $2500!

The "war on terror" counted in terms of "an eye for an eye" is a staggering over-reaction, in terms of "a life for a life" it is an obscene massacre.

The value of a life has nothing to do with ethnicity, wealth, age or gender. Each life is worth more than any government could ever pay.

I sympathise deeply with all who grieve and I loathe hypocrisy and senseless killing, irrespective of "motive" or belief.
If you believe in God, pray for all his children in every place
Bogler - | 12  
17 Apr 2007 /  #30
Way of the "civilised" world ?

On Saturday it was :"At least 36 people have been killed and more than 160 hurt in a suicide car bomb attack in the Iraqi city of Karbala, officials say."

Yesterday :"Ten policemen have been killed in a suicide bombing in Afghanistan, security sources say."

Last night:"At least 33 people have been trapped in a coal mine in central China, state media has reported."

Hardly any media coverage at all in the west. All depends on your viewpoint, I suppose.

Still if guns are easy to get hold, do not be too surprised if they get used now & then.

As Eddy Izzard says :“And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that…”

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