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American attitude towards Poland


Frank 23 | 1,183  
16 Jan 2007 /  #31
Yes, well it still happens...but what was funny, ie because it was based partly in truth no longer applies/happens....so much has the world moved on in recent decades. Secondly, within the island, other regions/counties are joked about...Kerry and Cavan spring to mind!

I don't know where the moron reference to Polish came from, any I have met are as able, skilled and interesting as other peoples, just different experiences and ways of doing things!

Perhaps a lot of is down to an inability to communucate well, initially, hence most problems.......!
globetrotter 3 | 106  
16 Jan 2007 /  #32
Ignorance of other cultures and behaviour leads to jokes if you are lucky and fear and distrust if you're not.....
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
16 Jan 2007 /  #33
frank, go look on post # 83, "HOW DO POLISH VIEW OTHERS"

I don't know where the moron reference to Polish came from,

Thats what I was referring to, and that isnt the only time I have ever read
or seen posts that refer to that.
iwona 12 | 542  
16 Jan 2007 /  #34
Just as a matter of interest, who (if anybody) do the Polish people make jokes about?

It is probbaly changing but we have jokes about...Russians and Germans - in series there was Polish, Russian and German....

mothers in law...policemen.....
Chompy  
16 Jan 2007 /  #35
The first Pole I met was when I was about 6 or 7 and my dad brought home one of his co-workers. This guy was very smart and funny in a sarcastic way that my parents aren't. I didn't know what to think because I had heard the "polish jokes" and this guy didn't fit the stereotype. My parents had some explanation that had to do with the Russians promoting the idea of dumb Poles as propaganda.

Anyway, those types of jokes really aren't told anymore, at least not around where I live now.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
16 Jan 2007 /  #36
My parents had some explanation that had to do with the Russians promoting the idea of dumb Poles as propaganda.

And German. Generally Germans were trying to convince the world and themselves that poles are worse and dumber then other nations to justify the partition of Poland. You know, the whole "Poles are to dumb to govern themselves, so we actually are doing them a favor annexing their land." I would also add the fact that Poles that came to USA after the polish uprisings, because they didn't know English language were forced to take the menial jobs and were depict as dumb.

PS: Somewhere on this board there is also FISZ's explanation. Also very true.
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
16 Jan 2007 /  #37
because they didn't know English language were forced to take the menial jobs and were depict as dumb.

it was more then that here, it lasted a long time, but its not really like that now.

like I said, most will actually ask if you are offended.

my maiden name was a dead give away compared to my married name.
so no one knows that I am Polish unless I tell them .

those who know me, know my background.

and I still have one friend whos husband still calls me Polack and I say
hows it going "HICK" Golly gee, where'd ya get those extra big sandals?
oh Dems Yer Feet.. sorry gah.

I get asked now if I am Irish. hmmmmmmmmm.....
Frank 23 | 1,183  
17 Jan 2007 /  #38
I get asked now if I am Irish. hmmmmmmmmm..

The ultimate compliment.........:)
kaka 1 | 142  
17 Jan 2007 /  #39
I get asked now if I am Irish. hmmmmmmmmm.....

once I was also asked if Im irish.. what was very suprising, cuz I dont have Irish accennt at all, and the guy was Irish.. but usually I am considered as a spanish. if sombody guesses where I m from, answer is always: Spain
Llyvellyn - | 15  
17 Jan 2007 /  #40
Quoting: Patrycja19, Post #44
I get asked now if I am Irish. hmmmmmmmmm..

The ultimate compliment.........

Why on earth is a Pole flattered when he is mistaken to be an Irish???

By the way, I think at this moment the depiction of Poles in American media is still slightly negative (just remember the hype of derision surrounding "Bush forgot Poland").
globetrotter 3 | 106  
17 Jan 2007 /  #41
A lot of Americans seem to think I'm Australian .... the world is getting more and more confusing
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
17 Jan 2007 /  #42
its a funny old world...
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
17 Jan 2007 /  #43
PS: Somewhere on this board there is also FISZ's explanation. Also very true.

part of the post....

In the 1960s, West Germans began a Polish joke cycle in response to tensions with then-Communist Poland. This was then imported into American comedy.
The civil rights movement made color-based ethnic humor increasingly unacceptable (though, obviously, it never vanished completely), and the rise of left-wing comedians made blue-collar conservatism the butt of many jokes. Working-class Polish-Americans made classic, and acceptable, targets of ethnic jokes.

But Polish-Americans were now too integrated for jokes about broken English and social slip-ups to make sense. So the jokes emphasized technological stupidity.
This struck a chord. In the midst of an arms race, a space race and the increase of techno gadgets in daily life, technology seemed either threatening or just hard to keep up with.

Jokes about people who didn’t understand technology or the logic behind it articulated that anxiety and relieved it by transferring it to another group.

Polish jokes exploded in popularity. By the 1980s, many kids repeating such jokes though “Polack” was another word for “moron” rather than someone from an actual country. Recently, Polish jokes have become socially unacceptable, both because of anti-defamation groups (which recently got a Polish joke removed from “The Drew Carey Show” and because the Solidarity movement of the early ’80s showed Poles were smart and pro-democracy, to boot. But the need to pick on a minority and saddle it with our fears about still-increasing technology remains. The same old jokes are still circulating, now applied to such “acceptable” targets as Iraqis and blondes.

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modacone 1 | 16  
17 Jan 2007 /  #44
as far as i know most polish jokes originated in europe and are pretty much interchangeable with any other nationality or trait im an american and i can tell you i love polish people immigrant or not u rock in my book

yeah i guess im a little late with that info fisz here has as usual laid out a very informative post. What do u do for a living fisz u seem to really be on top of it man
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
17 Jan 2007 /  #45
I'm in the telecommunications field. I was just curious as to where they originated myself :)
modacone 1 | 16  
17 Jan 2007 /  #46
yeah the weird thing is in every country you have a certain nationality they like to pick on in france its the english and the belgians in belgium its the french and the germans in italy the morrocans and the spanish but the jokes all tend to be the same. i guess we all have preconceptions of what people are going to be like but we're usually totally wrong about it. i'll tell you i went to a polish wedding with a freind of mine once, wasnt sure what to expect but it turned out to be one of the funnest events ive ever been to language barrier and all
Frank 23 | 1,183  
17 Jan 2007 /  #47
Why on earth is a Pole flattered when he is mistaken to be an Irish???

LOL....Patrycja.........is USA born and bred L...lol
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
17 Jan 2007 /  #48
You probably think I'm anti American,

what gave you that idea?? lol

Why on earth is a Pole flattered when he is mistaken to be an Irish???

He is a she, and its because my last name is Irish (husbands last name)
as his father was Irish.

and his name is a common last name, as I have been asked if I know certain
families who came from their town and so I have to offer that this is my
married last name and not maiden and that I am all Polish.

LOL....Patrycja.........is USA born and bred L...lol

yes, I am 2nd generation for USA.

The ultimate compliment.........

Frank, somehow, I knew that you were going to say that :)

Polish jokes exploded in popularity. By the 1980s, many kids repeating such jokes though “Polack” was another word for “moron” rather than someone from an actual country

Fisz, this is soooooo true. this was what I was referring to. and my last name
was the key to the target. kids at school , everytime my last name was
pronounced for attendance, I would hear crap. eventually I started to ignore
then I joined in, "cant beat emm join emm so to speak" and so thus, those who
were calling me Pollack, or do you know how to Ski?
and growing up, I was pretty pissed off about it, because it was constant, and
relentless.

that is why I say, even us 2nd and third generations had to endure the
jokes, and after hearing it for so long , its time to snap!

so my logic to this was hey, hows it going ya yeller belly varmit! or hill billy hick
once I started picking on their nationality, it tapered down.

oh and my last one " I might be pollack, but least I have all my teeth."
what were ya chewin on , cow turds you said? oh is that why your breath
smells like Sh*t . <~that was my later years comebacks as I wasnt allowed to
swear when I was real young lol.

anyway, I didnt want to do it, but it was the only solution to it.
my name was then used more "patricia" instead of Pollack.
ROZ 2 | 93  
18 Jan 2007 /  #49
My grandfather loved telling Pollack jokes :)
guest  
22 Jan 2007 /  #50
in VT a lot of people talk crap about polish people. maybe because they don't have very many polish people here. i've had quite a bit of hurtful things said to me because my parents are both immigrants from Poland, like we're poor, and all the girls are ******.
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
22 Jan 2007 /  #51
in VT a lot of people talk crap about polish people

I'm in VT all the time and I don't ever hear people talking smack about the PL. Where in VT are you?
semper_malus - | 21  
23 Jan 2007 /  #52
My grandfather loved telling Pollack jokes

write some of those please.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
23 Jan 2007 /  #53
My grandfather loved telling Pollack jokes

Congratulations.
Chenzo  
23 Jan 2007 /  #54
I'm in VT

What do you Vermonters think about those effed up judges?
Bill  
27 Jan 2007 /  #55
There are so many Americans of such diverse ethnic backgrounds, beliefs, attitude, opinions, experiences, etc. that I think it would be a gross exaggeration to say that Americans feel one way or the other about Poles. Like anywhere else, there are decent, intelligent, nice people and there are total jerks. I personally don't know anyone prejudice against Poles though. Many of my generation were actually somewhat inspired by your 'revolution' or Solidarity Movement, that started in Gdansk. I remember in college, we all were glued to the news about it.
kaz2664  
28 Jan 2007 /  #56
im 100 percent polish american, third or 4th generation here depending which side of the familly tree you want to follow. except for a occasional polish joke, the u.s. is a great place. i tell you, if you want to make friends here real fast. make polish food and invite your nieghbors. nothing gets people friendlier than kielbasa or pierogis. l.o.l. i laugh but its true. kaz
ROZ 2 | 93  
29 Jan 2007 /  #57
Congratulations.

He was the first the first generation Polish American in my family and he was a comedian... lol..

Most jokes including nationality are interchangeable. Most I've heard start out: " A pollack, a Mexican, and a Rabi....."

Unfortunately, I am of both Polish and Mexican ancestory.... :)

Regardless, it's all as harmless as the Pollack who took a car door with him on a hike across the Sahara... Just in case he got hot, he could roll down the window... :)
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
29 Jan 2007 /  #58
I am of both Polish and Mexican ancestory....

I'm sorry :)
ROZ 2 | 93  
29 Jan 2007 /  #59
I'm sorry

Not me... Best of both worlds... :)
Sylvia  
29 Jan 2007 /  #60
i know this is (american attitude toward Poland) but what about Germans how to they see the Polish. We have a german foreign exchange student and all she did today in class is talk about how polish people are snobs,they steal, they are ugly. She tried making us sound like all polish people are horrible. she also said that other european countries hate poland. So i was just wondering if the germans feel like that or is it just some people.

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