Lets not confuse those who say they believe a particular religion, but do not practice it.
Ok but they all still go along with what they are told.
It is more difficult to be an atheist because you must break your own programming.
I know priests who surely can.
And what makes you think he has all the answers?.
Honestly he can't.
When I said "following no rules", i meant not following the rules of the church/religion, not moral per se. And definitely not MY rules, but of the religion a person choses to be.
I know this was directed at someone else but I see you are not talking about moral rules, so what rules are you talking about, confession and goin g to mass? those type of rules?
And most people do not choose their religion, they are indoctrinated into it by the place and time of their birth.
well with all the pedofiles something should change..
You have a point about the church covering up some hanious crimes committed by priests. It just shows priests are just people, no special powers or knowledge, week and frail ad the rest of us.
I have my beliefs, but each parish/priest does have their own ways of teaching and rules to how things should be within this community.
thats why my mom never went back.. so many things change to suit.
I have been to some very good church masses but they did not talk so much about God and Jesus, more about what they are doing in Somalia and wht terrible atrocities are being committed there.
It utter nonsense that reason always suggests the good.
How do you reason that out?.
or maybe they have their own mind and don't need constantine's rules to tell them what's what?
let's stone this lady, she's unclean. bible says she needs to go.
Possibly but I would think, that having been brought up in a family and having neighbours would be reason enough not to go out and kill people.
Of course it still happens but a reasonable person would not do such a thing.
But indoctrinate them while they are young, reinforce the belief that you are doing the work of some all powerful being, minus any ability to reson (Faith)
And wham! ytou have a crusade.
Where does the Bible say she "she needs to go"?
If anything the Bible (especially the old testament) is not a good source for moral conduct.
Imagine how traumatised Isac would be, had his father Abraham tried to kill him today, until, and let me be clear on this, the voices in his head (not a god) told him to stop.
Reason without God is left wanting.
Not true at all.
that people are basically good.
Any idiot can clearly see that this is not true.
Where is the reasoning behind such a fictitious statement?.
You have to believe that people are basically good in order to believe that human reason will necessarily lead to moral conclusions.
No you don't, you have to reason that it is in everyone's best interests not to kill each other or not to steal from me or my neighbour.
Again let me state my discussion clearly, There is no God, it only exists in people's imagination.
I know for some people this is a very bad thing to say but I am not tring to attack any single poster on here.
I would very much like to continue this discussion in a civilised manner, as it has been going.