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Tell me whats the best way to integrate in england


Kowalewski 1 | 2  
3 Aug 2008 /  #1
Hello,

its my firts post in this forum so I'll tell you a little bit about me ;-)
I'm a 19 year old polish born kraut who plans to move to england.
The location I expect to move is the industrial triangle: London-Bristol-Brimingham.
The first thing I'll di is to move to a Job center.
I like the english language and look forward to learn it.

My question No.1 is:
Whats the best way to integrate there?
I'm going to try to work and live here as normal as possible.
At the moment I only read UK news that tell that polish are lazy and racists.
I know how rumors are and I'm afraid that the peoples will only see this medial stereotype.

What you think about it or what you can tell me?

pozdrawiam

Dominik
osiol 55 | 3,922  
3 Aug 2008 /  #2
Job center

Try that. Have a look at employment agencies too (although these are often run by scoundrels). With better English, applying directly for jobs found advertised in local papers is not a bad idea.

Whats the best way to integrate there?

Learn and practice speaking English. The more you can communicate with people the better.
Get to know people - work colleagues, neighbours, go to the pub!

At the moment I only read UK news that tell that polish are lazy and racists.

Who's supposed to be lazy and racist, Britons or Poles? You'll find both traits amongst both groups, but you'll find a lot more otherwise. People believing in stereotypes are themselves stereotypes (ummm). Put it this way: as with most subjects is politics and the media, it is far easier to talk about negative things rather than positive things. Imagine a politician trying to encourage you to vote for him by saying "Everything's pretty good really, isn't it!"

kraut

Does this mean you can be Polish or German as it suits you? Kraut is quite a good word, but I don't hear many krauts identifying themselves as such.
OP Kowalewski 1 | 2  
3 Aug 2008 /  #3
Hello,

for direct applying I already prepared applications (This includes the CV)

2nd: The fist two thinks are normal, but whats is so special on pubs?

3rd: From this point of view you're right ;-)

4th: I don't see it drastic to be named kraut. I was born in Poland and lived neary my entire life in Germany/Krautland :-P. Most of my family lives in Poland.

I can speak polish and german fluent but if someone asks me where I from i tell him the same as i wrote above.

pozdrawiam

Dominik
Oldyoungloon - | 16  
3 Aug 2008 /  #4
Hello mate, if you are looking to improve your english and meet people then you could do a lot worse than get a job in a bar to begin with. It will help you to speak the language and you'll get the chance to meet many wonderful characters and more than likely meet new friends,

Other than that be careful not to surround yourself with only polish friends and i'm sure you'll get along fine.
I will probably take my own advice soon when i make the opposite move to poland ;)
Good luck and enjoy life in britain
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Aug 2008 /  #5
London-Bristol-Brimingham

London and Bristol are two of the most expensive cities in the UK, Birmingham isn't a particularly nice city, have a re-think.

but whats is so special on pubs?

The English love to socialise down the pub so it's a good way to meet lots of different types of people, there are other places too but in a pub you will more than likely find people your own age.

you are looking to improve your english and meet people then you could do a lot worse than get a job in a bar to begin with.

Definately a good idea, but he will need a pretty good standard of English to work behind a bar and those jobs won't be that easy to find at this time of year since all the students are on summer hols and also looking for jobs.

Other than that be careful not to surround yourself with only polish friends and i'm sure you'll get along fine

Best peice of advice, whilst it's comfortable and familiar to be around people who speak the same language, it doesn't help you to develop your English.

Good luck :)
ArcticPaul 38 | 233  
4 Aug 2008 /  #6
You will meet English who are racist, nasty and unpleasant but do not let these idiots stop you from keeping trying to get to know the natives.

Before you know it you will have friends.
Griff 17 | 67  
4 Aug 2008 /  #7
Try Manchester,

I am from there and it is very industrial, and i used to work in recruitment and if you turn up and time for work you will always get a job

Go to the following places if you go there, they are recruitment agencies.

Addeco
PrimeTime
ManPower
LabourReady
Search

When you move there find a place with good transport links. If you need any help just let me know.

In manchester there are a few polish communities now, but just be streetwise. If your walking late at night don't speak so loud in polish on your phone, there are too many idiots looking for easy targets.
ArcticPaul 38 | 233  
4 Aug 2008 /  #8
Try Manchester,

or many places in the north of England.

Leeds/Wakefield loadsa jobs!
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Aug 2008 /  #9
I am from there and it is very industrial, and i used to work in recruitment and if you turn up and time for work you will always get a job

Wrong, the agencies are struggling terribly at the moment.

In manchester there are a few polish communities now, but just be streetwise. If your walking late at night don't speak so loud in polish on your phone, there are too many idiots looking for easy targets.

Anyone walking in certain areas of Manchester is a target regardless of their nationality, it's becoming a right s-hole in the City Centre and I for one wont walk there after dark, I just wouldn't recommend anyone coming to M/c these days.
Griff 17 | 67  
4 Aug 2008 /  #10
Well surely that depends where in manchester you live and walk, and i would not say that is just in manchester. I would like to match manchester to the likes of Liverpool and London. Where would you suggest a pole to go to in england?

I did not say it was about nationality, I said it was about easy targets. Tell me any city in the country right now that doesn't have a really bad street crime rate at the moment.

Needless to say, I lived in Manchester for 24 years and managed to say out of trouble because I thought about what I was doing and where i was going

With regards to you saying I am wrong about agencies. I am still in contact with friends at my agency who are asking me to send good people because they don't have enough. Even giving perm industrial jobs out. They are not the market leaders so I can't imagine they are the only company in this situation.
OP Kowalewski 1 | 2  
4 Aug 2008 /  #11
@Oldyoungloon
Thanks for the hint ;-)
In poland I got a aunt who is a english teacher. I often speak with her and she says that mine is quite "good".

(I know that this isn't "standart" english)
Maybe this english will be enough to put me behind a bar =)

@ShelleyS
I think you're right I expected that south england is more tourist an a result of that are higher prices.
Now my plans involve a visit in a pub, maybe even a fine Guinness Draught:)

@ArcticPaul
If I do not succed in Manchaster maybe then I'll take a look to the surrounding locations!

@Griff
Thanks for your help!
If I need further help (in Manchester?) you'll get a PM!

----

Thanks a lot to you all it is a great help what you are doing here.
But now some new questions.....
I my familiy in poland what their friends and colleagues experienced in the UK.
Many said that the went to a job center, got a job and a flat too. Is that true?
If not. Where to find a flat in a "english speaking" area in Manchaster.I don't wanna live in a gettho, really I don't.

Whats the average price of a flat or a flat share? (I prefere a flat share = cheaper)

Pozdrawiam & dziekuje

Dominik
Griff 17 | 67  
4 Aug 2008 /  #12
Hey mate,

You wouldn't really find a flat at the job centre unless they have a notice board.

Try this website, quite professional company

manchester.pl

Other than that mate, try gumtree.co.uk and go to the manchester page, this is great from sharing houses and flats.

Stay away from Moss Side, and Wythenshaw if you can. Feel free to come back to me if you see something you like and ill tell you how it looks.

Average price, I got my sister in law a room in a nice house and she was paying £40 per week
Kilkline 1 | 689  
4 Aug 2008 /  #13
Dont go to Birmingham. It is the most awful city in Britain whatever criteria you decide to measure it by. The towns around the Midlands are ok though (not Wolverhampton though).
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
4 Aug 2008 /  #14
The best way to integrate is through communication IN ENGLISH. Talk as you would talk to your native men. Have a joke. Ask questions about the English language that you find difficult. There will be words that you will not understand, such as slang. Teach them a few Polish phrases. Go out drinking with workmates. It's simple. Just do what you do in England as you would in Poland. The only difference is the language which you will get to grip with the longer you stay.

Try that. Have a look at employment agencies too (although these are often run by scoundrels). With better English, applying directly for jobs found advertised in local papers is not a bad idea.

An employment agency should be used as a last resort ONLY. I wouldn't recommend anyone going with an agency without first finding a job that offers a permanent contract. Note that an agency is temporary employment and can leave you without a job for weeks without given notice. Contact the Job Centre for for help in finding a PERMANENT job. jobcentreplus.gov.uk

What many Polish people make a mistake of is not doing any research on the place they're moving to in the UK. With perfect planning, research and patience you'll find an area that is peaceful, pleasant and a joy to live in. Those that do not plan, research or have patience generally move to areas of high crime. Dumps. Birmingham is a s--hole. Same goes for Nottingham, although there are a huge number of Polish there. I would recommend Kirkham, Wesham, Garstang, Fleetwood, Freckleton etc in The Fyldes of Lancashire. The crime is much lower than the national average in the Fyldes and there are considerably much less Asians/Africans. There are no "Asian communities" or "Black communities." It's a white area. I live in Kirkham and if you like to bring up your children in a safe, friendly, trustworthy town with plenty of activities then you'll love it. We also have police presence on the streets as there is a police station up the other side of town so you'll very rarely see any crime. I've yet to see ONE criminal act since I've moved here a year and a half ago, touch wood.

I'm going on and on I know but I stress.... DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE PLACE YOU WANT TO MOVE TO! If you pick the wrong place you'll know about it. If you pick the right place you'll love it! Keep away from big cities.

I highly recommend choosing a town in the Fylde Coast, North-West of England in Lancashire. Statistically it is one of the best places for standard of living.

Take a look at these statistics of the Fyldes. Click the links that are of interest to you, such as 'Crime, Justice and Safety', 'Economic Performance,' 'Housing and Households' etc and compare them to the rest of the UK. You'll see that it is one of the best places to move to. Birmingham is not a good place to move to at all.

lancashire.gov.uk/office_of_the_chief_executive/lancashireprofile/areas/fy.asp

Good luck!
ArcticPaul 38 | 233  
4 Aug 2008 /  #15
Stay away from Moss Side, and Wythenshaw if you can.

Understatement of the year!
Kevlar vests are all the rage....!
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
4 Aug 2008 /  #16
Stay away from LIVERPOOL, NOTTINGHAM, MANCHESTER, BIRMINGHAM AND LONDON! They're BIG NO-NOs.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
4 Aug 2008 /  #17
yeah i agree, so come to Exeter instead, its what a lot of Poles do, lol. :)
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
4 Aug 2008 /  #19
Research Kowalewski

why???

The only thing i know about this name is that he is a goalkeeper who used to play at reading.
Arise_St_George 9 | 419  
4 Aug 2008 /  #20
No no no lol. I'm telling the author of this thread to research his destination to the UK before making the move. I'm warning him not to just move to any old place. That's what alot of Poles make the mistake of doing...
Mister H 11 | 761  
4 Aug 2008 /  #21
Hello,

its my firts post in this forum so I'll tell you a little bit about me ;-)
I'm a 19 year old polish born kraut who plans to move to england.
The location I expect to move is the industrial triangle: London-Bristol-Brimingham.
The first thing I'll di is to move to a Job center.
I like the english language and look forward to learn it.

My question No.1 is:
Whats the best way to integrate there?
I'm going to try to work and live here as normal as possible.
At the moment I only read UK news that tell that polish are lazy and racists.
I know how rumors are and I'm afraid that the peoples will only see this medial stereotype.

What you think about it or what you can tell me?

pozdrawiam

What is your main reason for wanting to come here ? You're very young, so it's a really big step to be taking.

If you're coming here thinking work is easy to find and it's cheap to live, then you might need to do some more research. It's not a cheap place to live and it's hard work to make a living if you want to live a decent life that doesn't involve living with loads of others to keep the costs down.

You say you only read the UK news, then you will know that the economy is taking a downturn, so jobs are becoming harder to hold onto and harder to find. Personally speaking, I wouldn't want to be the one with a foreign accent claiming benefits right now, so you need to avoid state help if you can avoid it.

You need a job and a place to live BEFORE you come here.

If you come here without a job, then you need enough money to live on for at least two months (around £1500) to give you time to find something. I really wouldn't even think of coming here without a job lined up.

I would suggest you come for a holiday first, check out the jobs and the living situation and see if you can see yourself living here.

As others have said, avoid big cities and READ UP LOADS on where you think would be good to live. Integrate by mixing with lots of different types of people and don't make your area a "Little Poland".

Also be prepared not to like it here. Have a "Plan B" and don't be afraid to go home if you don't see things working out. You can always try again when you're older.

Hope this helps, good luck !
southern 75 | 7,096  
4 Aug 2008 /  #22
Tell me whats the best way to integrate in england

The best way to integrate in England is to eat english breakfast everyday.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
4 Aug 2008 /  #23
And become a teletubbie? LOL
Doubtfullove 4 | 28  
13 Aug 2008 /  #24
I'd try Scotland...its much nicer up here... ;-P

I'd go for all, i.e. jobcentre, agencies, and hand your cv out around shops, restaurants, bars etc. The more exposure you get the easier it will be.

Also easier if you know someone that you could stay with for a short while when you first arrive so they can help you find your way around.

Good luck.
Wroclaw Boy  
13 Aug 2008 /  #25
The location I expect to move is the industrial triangle: London-Bristol-Brimingham.

Industrial triangle, not so.

The first thing I'll di is to move to a Job center.

Nahh dont do that its full of scum

Whats the best way to integrate there?

Dont tell people your Polish at the moment, just be yourself, dont advertise "hi im from Poland"

At the moment I only read UK news that tell that polish are lazy and racists.

Not true really only bad publicity

I know how rumors are and I'm afraid that the peoples will only see this medial stereotype.

You will shine through more than the steriotype buddy, youve made the correct moves so far.

Best of luck, WB
jojomojo1971 - | 1  
14 Aug 2008 /  #26
I would say that you would be best to try for a live in position in a hotel,

This way you will learn better english by speaking to people, have a cheap or free place to live and it will give you a chance to see if you like it here or not before making the leap and going in for a flat share of renting on your own.

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