Scotland encouraging immigration.

RN, you are more than welcome to comment of course. However, please grant us the courtesy to reply as we see fit as you seemed to be peeved when we said sth against your conception of how Ireland should be.

I know the job market in Scotland and there are many jobs that could be filled from people with skills from Polish technical school. Also, no offence to the Poles but many here admit that some of the less mentally capable folk came across. I remember being in the job centres and I can imagine Scots turning their noses up at some of those jobs. It has even been shown on documentaries. Poles win on most occasions.

That is a myth, immigrants from eastern europe do tend to be college educated.


Another myth, I met two Glasgow Celtic fans a couple of weeks ago in a boozer. They travel to and from Scotland on a weekly basis. Why? No work there for them. They where in the construction industry.

College educated? That's sth to rejoice about, is it? There are many who possess the skills required for some technical jobs in Scotland, you can't dispute that.

By citing one example, you hardly nullify the validity of my point which stands. There is work for them but Scotland's problem is and as has been that there are too many Scots chasing too few jobs. They expect a higher standard but it isn't always there.

I think most people are missing the point.

This is a symptom of labours utter failure to control and manage immigration. The reason they want immigrants to settle in scotland is to reduce the massive strains immigrants are having on england. 95% Of all immigrants settle in england. england will see the surge in future population and demographics of england. this is labours way of distributing immigrants throughout the UK. Instead of capping immigration and saying enough is enough.

incentives should be put forward to encourage the birth rate in scotland. not breed us out of existance by importing the **** of the third world.

The problem isn't with the birth rate in Scotland. If it is declining, it would be temporary anyway. It is a symptom of something else. You have to ask yourself why the birthrate declines in the first place?

Why should people have more babies just because of incentives? I never figured that out. You shouldn't have a bunch of kids because of greed.

The most important thing needed: two people who have the desire to deal with a huge family. It's stressful and demanding. You have to live up to high expectations, too. This is the reason people can't handle it and don't want it. It's not like it once was, when ten brothers and sisters worked the farm for their parents.

That is why the population appears to decline when it might not actually be in decline for long. Two kids per family is a perfectly reasonable expectation and most parents can give two children the time, love and attention they need.

This guys a troll, don't feed him, just look at his profile...

Problem with Scotland isn't so much the birth rate, but the average age of workers in the near future. Now unless you condone cloning, or we start breeding super growing babies...how else would you supply workers?

Before you go on about unemployment, remember that the majority of the unemployed especially in Glasgow don't want to work, generations of benefit grabbing has made sure of that.

Doesn't need to be based on greed. It is called incentive. The province of Quebec provided a variety of incentives (cash, tax relief, subsidized day care) to promote a higher birth rate. Guess what... It worked.

That's what's called "welfare" and it should not be used to get people to have kids.

That is up to the electorate to decide.

Shawn H isn't describing welfare (that's for those without sources of regular income) but "off-sets" or to use his phrase, "incentives".

Basically, it's for those in work and not earning a sufficiently high enough wage in order to raise a family.

Haha, that's welfare. You should have the amount of kids you can take care without the help of the government. There's no real need for people to have huge families. Two is perfectly fine and governments should encourage people to have two and not many more than that. Kids take a lot of attention, love, money, time. Most parents can handle two kids without any problems or help from the government.

It isn't. Welfare is for those without any other form of income.

In Canada, the system of medicare and pension schemes was set up when there were 3+ children per family. Those people now benefitting from that system are facing a problem now that families are opting for <2 kids. Not enough people paying into the system to keep it afloat. A country could resort to immigration, but that brings a host of new problems along the way.

Japan is on the brink of a demographic crisis. Why do you think they are relying so heavily on the development of robots to do tasks like elder care. Not enough children being born when times were booming.

That's not true. Welfare is when the government gives out benefits of any kind. Some of them I agree with but I don't think the government should give people money or benefits for having kids. This isn't a good idea.

Shawn H what will happen is there will be a period of decline for a while but the population will stabilize once the average is two or two point five kids for a few generations. Then you won't see this "decline". If you give people incentives to have more kids, you will see a decline in the future if the population decides to go back to two, on average, again. See how they are setting everything up to become unstable?

The situation here in th UK is that all familie are entitled to recieve "Child benefit" to offset the cost of raising a family. Award of benefit is made on a sliding scale depending on the number of children. This benefit is not dependent on income. However, those on low incomes can receive additonal benefits in the form of "Tax credits".

Those not working, and with the exception of tax credits, still recieve child benefits plus a raft of other benefits. That's Welfare.

Guess what, I wont be working my butt off and paying high taxes, interest rates, ect in this economic climate just so others can be given extra's to have children. The decision to have a baby should only be never be based on whether you would get help from the government. There are too many people who cheat the system, or purely base their decision to bring a child into the world solely on what they will get back from having that child, rather than what they could give to the child. Scotland has one of the highest unemployment birth rate in Europe, mostly BECAUSE of the benefits that the government passes onto these "families".

Na **** that, we should stop encouraging those without a job to continue to claim, and force them back into work if there are jobs to be taken. 18...left school at 16 without an education....never worked in the 2 years since...national service in my opinion. Then you will see how long it takes the spongers to get off their lazy backsides and start looking for work.

RANT over ;)

I don't see the average rising to 2.5 any time soon from the current citizen base. The only way it will rise will be from immigration. Those immigrants will likely still have the notion that a family consists of 4 or more children, at least for a generation or two.

Here is the Japanese health care robots I mentioned earlier... Scary.

youtube.com/watch?v=697FJZnFvJs

The concept of providing benefits for families having children is inherently unfair, even if we ignore the moral and social implications of increasing population size when the planet is already overpopulated by people called Wayne wearing baseball caps. Some people just find it easy to conceive whereas others find it exactly the opposite. I therefore propose a fairer form of income distribution based upon attempts to conceive. I think it could be a vote winner which will also, at a stroke, reduce the number of feral youths hanging around town centres and drinking ten bottles of white lightning in under 30 minutes. At 50ZL a try some people on here ,based upon their claims, could retire within six months.

We are looking forward to people who have the right skills for the job. Why would we intentionally sabotage our job market by recruiting substandard labour? I keep stressing it, there are many jobs that Scots don't consider worthwhile doing and these vacancies are filled by immigrants.

sorry seanus but if you are speaking of non eu migration then that is rubbish.

the no.1 job filled by non eu immigrants is IT for the sole reason that they undercut local wages drastically. I assure you there is NO shortage of scottish IT graduates from university.

Immigrants from outside the eu do not necessarily have skills we actually 'need'

poles on the other hand are indeed needed to pick our potatos and wash our toilets.

I'm not speaking of non-EU immigration. As a law student, you should discuss our legal options. Should we be imposing quotas?

Scotland has many good IT graduates. My bro got First Class Hons and many like him did.

I dont think we should have quotas on poles as our toilets are very dirty. however I believe in a strict quota on non eu immigrants.

I dont want my city to sgtart seeing an influx of negros and more asians.

and as an indigenous person I am afforded this right by the United Nations 1952 convention of human rights.

that states that mass population transfer of non indigenous persons by way of immigration is a breach of my human rights.

As long as the number of Indian restaurants is just about right, we don't need them, right? ;) ;)

yeah but lets be honest. only one in ten indian restaurants are good.

Are Scotlands major cities similar Dublin?

No.
Scottish cities have more Oirish pubs than Dublin ;-)

you don't seem to understand that the world is changing. There is NOTHING you can do about it, but embrace it, which you obviously have a problem with:)

Nope, Glasgow has the highest murder rate in Europe, and a lower life expectancy for males than Baghdad. woohoo!!! go us!

Wow, you mean capital cities tend to have a high immigrant population? Dear god, has someone alerted NASA?!

If you don't like it, I suggest you move to one of the many parts of Ireland which has fewer immigrants. You live in the capital, for gods sake. Your whining about how the Irish are being overrun by foreigners is made largely irrelevant by this one fact alone.

I can understand why it annoys you. I've been to London a few times, and even I was quite shocked with the sheer amount of non-natives there. Being brought up in a 99% white society and never having known any black people before, I was slightly uncomfortable with the amount of blacks I was seeing per second. I honestly do agree that immigration can be taken too far at times, the UK and Ireland being prime examples. Thankfully, though, there does happen to exist a UK outside of London, as I'm sure an Ireland exists outside of Dublin. If you don't like where you currently are, then the answer is simple; leave. You're not going to change anything by ******** and moaning to random people. Dublin is an international city, whether you like it or not. If a more authentic Irish experience you seek, then it should not be so hard to find.

I think what is happening/happened in Ireland is just a photo that could be taken in any major city in the UK, The world is becoming a small place and with the opening up of EU borders there will be many foreign nationals within Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales and Northen Ireland. While i do not agree with the mass immigration to the UK, i cannot stop it so have just accepted it. What i do believe in though is a strong, sound immigration policy which is something we lack in the UK. I do not have a problem with people who want to come here and work hard or partake in our education system, it is those who come here for no reason what so ever or do not benefit Britain in anyway.