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Is the penal system working too? ;)

Seanus

One word, dumped. Out of sight out of mind. ;)

Out of mind, ok ;)

Seanus

Yes, yes, all the nationalist arms are decommisioned. No doubt.

BS and we know it! It's like Obama saying he'd get rid of nukes, RIIIIIIIGHT. He barely scaled back in the recent deal with Medvedev.

Seanus

Of course, I was being sarcastic. The country is awash with weapons.

Hence what I said, BS and WE know it. It's just a poker game. I fear a backlash against Polish workers soon.

Seanus

Not a violent one, in my opinion. Well the RIRA did kill one pizza guy already, I suppose.

Inadvertently I heard. Indifference can sometimes be a good thing.

Seanus

Go on.... explain? Why do you think the Irish will react violently to the Polish?

Because sometimes all it needs is one incident and everyone is on tenterhooks or thin ice that can break.

Seanus

I doubt it, I cannot(I hope) see any foreign national being attacked, especially not en masse, by Irish citizens. We want most of them gone, yes, but we do not want to violently drive them away.

A boycott will suffice. ;)

As long as reason prevails but the warning signs of fragility and impatience are there.

Seanus

Agreed.

There are so many ways to view the thread. One is that Poles have it hard and deserve positive working conditions. They have to defend their Masters papers, something I never had to do. I only had progress updates for my dissertation and thesis. They also have 2 or sometimes 3 interviews for one post. We tend to have just one. Also, their disproportionate salaries.

I'm not saying that we should be all for bailing them out as their government should bear responsibility for that. However, giving people a chance in life is something that the West preaches so we should recognise that and stick by it.

Let's not blame the immigrants too much as there are so many businesspeople ruining the world and getting HUGE salaries for doing so. Redistribute the wealth and give to those who want to earn an honest living. Listen to Bill Hicks and recognise that we spend more to kill than to cure, reverse that!

This has nothing to do with a chance in life and you know it. It's all about slavery and cheap labour. If the West really wants to give people a chance in life they should invest in countries like Poland, and perhaps Africa.. So all those people can make a decent wage for themselves, in their own countries. Immigration is a fairytale. It will never work, because of this simple reason..

Most people only migrate to wealthier countries, they're probably never going to migrate to poorer countries. Result? Wealthier countries will get overcrowded eventually, and the poorer countries will eventually miss the people they need the most to become a wealthier economy.. Not even mentioning the fact that they could become a healthier trade partner, which would help other countries, aswell the investing parties!

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Oh, and if everybody deserves a chance in life, why doesn't that philosophy work for the local people? (Especially not for younger people!)


How about having a salary that's 20 times the salary of the lowest paid worker out there? (Which should be more than enough!) If Management wants a bonus, they will have to give the employee a bonus too! If Management wants a raise, they will have to raise the employees wages too!

Now *that* would be fair. It would also motivate people to work. It would definitely restore some trust..


I agree wholeheartedly! (Oh, and if people could be convinced to have less children for a few generations, than that would be one of the best solutions too!) Why kill eachother if we can all decide to create more space for future generations?

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Hey, what do I know? I'm talking rubbish right?

I said it preaches that, Arien, not practises and therein lies the crucial difference.

There are many intrinsic and extrinsic factors connected with motivation, Arien, not just cash. Unfortunately, people are becoming more and more superficial.

True on the last point. Famine as a means of population control is a biggie. Anyway, can't digress.

Well, I'm all for practice what you preach! (Or don't preach at all!) I think we've seen enough hypocrisy and false pretentions?


Well, if you can't even pay your bills, or just barely, you'll find out what it's like when you only live to work. When you only live to work, you'll see that your life will become meaningless, pointless and very lonely. (This causes anger, disappointment, and stress for a lot of people!) How do you expect someone to stay motivated when there is no room for improvement, self development, or even a social life? That's one.

If an employee recieves a bonus when Management does, the employee will know he or she recieves a fair treatment, and won't feel used. Also, the employee will know that when the company does well for itself, he or she might benefit from this too! (Which also creates an atmosphere of teamwork and spirit!) Again, everyone within a company works for the company, so everyone is responsible for its eventual success or failure? (As a team!) So I really don't see why Management should have the exclusive right to bonuses! Alright, there will always be a difference in salary, but to some degree this is very understandable. (Even for me!) That's two.

It will make Management think twice about exorbitant bonuses, knowing that they will have to share eventual success with all employees. (Which is only fair in the first place!) It will prevent this grabbing culture from getting even worse! That's three.

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Well, I'm informed.

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Agreed!

True on the first point, necessity is the driving force all too often.

The self conferral of bonuses really drives me nuts. It's just greed!

It's the other workers that run the show anyway.

Arien
I think they have been doing this for the last l0 years. Where have you been "under the spell of sleeping beauty". It was not to give a chance of life to the people it was to make HUGH profits, from cheaper labour. Big international companies have been doing this for years. They just move onto their next country when it becomes even cheaper Hey that is life!

Big companies are in this for the money not the social wellbeing of the society in which they invest.

Oh, but they do... but never to earn the local salary though (English in Spain, anyone?).

But that isn't really surprising. If I could earn 5000PLN in Poland, doing what I do in the UK, I'd be off tomorrow! But I couldn't. Even though that is a good, but not huge, salary over there. But over here, I get the equivalent of 12000PLN a month. In Poland, I'd probably get about 3000PLN a month, with similar costs (if those 2000PLN/month flats represent true rental prices).

So I can travel to Poland, on a UK salary, far more often than I could travel to the UK on a PL salary. And pay roughly the same rent/mortgage out of 4x the salary. For someone who travels as much as me, there's just no option really :)

True enough, Jihad. How did you find your job in the UK?

Online, doesn't everyone? lol

You'd be surprised. Word of mouth and recommendations are quite common too.

Oh, I know all too well, that's why I've been alone, not being able to achieve anything for myself for the last ten years. (I would get a job, I would lose my job within a few months, I would spend all my saved money on rent, insurance policies and groceries to fill the gaps in between, whilst looking for a new job!)

So spare me, I'm just speaking my mind about how I think society should work. (Just because I know it's possible!) Futile? Perhaps. I'm not bothered, I'm not going anywhere, so if I'm going to waste my time, I might aswell try to exchange my vieuws, along with some positive ideas?


I know that! I'm just telling you that they could do both, if only they would use their grey matter!


I said most people don't, and for good reasons. (Which ofcourse means that some people do!)

I fear a backlash against immigrants in general.


How does one boycott foreigners ?


I would never blame an immigrant for the current situation, it's the politicians that have a total disregard for everyone that are the real culprits.


I agree and it's even the same in places like Zimbabwe if you can earn in pounds or dollars.

The politicians are very much to blame. They have the classic 'I'm already Jack' mentality. These people claim for everything under the sun and let other Brits fight for their survival in the job market.

By shunning them and by not giving custom to shops and services that mostly employ foreigners.

RN, another way of viewing it is that they provide choice. Many Scots are happy to have options like bigos and gołąbki, not to mention a range of fresh bread from Polish delis. They have set themselves up and are providing a service, nowt wrong with that.

Seanus

Shop local, buy local, employ Irish. ;)

Thats my mantra. The foreigners are here for one reason, money, if people did not employ them or buy from them, they will leave as fast as they came.