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Poles to stay or not to stay [in Ireland] - is there a question?


zion  
26 Mar 2007 /  #1
The majority of expatriate Poles have at least a secondary education, and many have a university degree. Most are working at jobs - in hotels and restaurants, construction and agriculture - well below their skill levels. Over the past two years, according to one estimate by the Dublin-based Economic and Social Research Institute, migrant [Polish] workers have added two percentage points to Ireland's gnp.

time/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1596880,00.html

your opinions please .
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
26 Mar 2007 /  #2
Are you a Zionist ?
OP zion  
26 Mar 2007 /  #3
no not any more .
OP zion  
26 Mar 2007 /  #5
why you asked ?
OP zion  
2 Apr 2007 /  #7
all good and shalon to you ...
daffy 23 | 1,508  
2 Apr 2007 /  #8
your opinions please .

erm, stay or go! the choice is up to the poles who are here!

i welcome them coming, and i wish them well if they leave

they have given ireland a new breath, and a new diversity.

i appreciate they are not all working in there academic fields of study (if they have them) but to be fair, i work with many skilled polish in my company, those with skills are in skilled jobs and those with no skills are working non-skilled jobs. I am aware that this is not the situation the majority of the time - but the truth is, there are HUNDREDS of skilled jobs in ireland for the taking! recruitment agencies are SCREAMING for accountants!,engineers,nurses, doctors etc. and the truth is there having difficulty filling them with ANY nationality!

THe polish who work in non skilled jobs and who have skills - i cannot explain why.

bottom line. welcome to stay, sorry to see them leave, wish them well regardless :)
slwkk 2 | 228  
3 Apr 2007 /  #9
THe polish who work in non skilled jobs and who have skills - i cannot explain why.

I can tell you :) The main problem is language barrier I think. Many people with university degree here have serious problems with (especially spoken) English... not that they don't know it at all but it is far away from communicative English. Nobody will hire you as a doctor, in IT sector or sth if you don't speak English fluently. That's all :)
dannyboy 18 | 248  
3 Apr 2007 /  #10
If your good at your job, then feel free to come along....
ren  
4 May 2007 /  #11
I have several questions to the Irish:

1. u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past. in fact, plenty of the Irish were immigrating to the US of were dying or hunger...

2. I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education....

Ren
daffy 23 | 1,508  
4 May 2007 /  #12
u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past. in fact, plenty of the Irish were immigrating to the US of were dying or hunger...

(BTW-thats not a question but a statement)

not at all - we remember, its the knowledge of the past set us up for the future. dying or hunger, that was more than 100 years ago... the emigration Ireland had in the 20th C was economic and not poverty to that degree. rather along the same lines as Poland today - its economic.

I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education....

(BTW-thats not a question either but a statement, no matter)

despite the fact there are more people in third level education in Ireland than ever - that Irelands PRIMARY industry is the service sector, a highly skilled sector of educated people.

How are things in Wroclaw that you accuse the Irish of all nationalities in the world?

I have several questions to the Irish:

turns out you only had statements - but ive responded to them nonetheless
slainte!
Frank 23 | 1,183  
4 May 2007 /  #13
Nobody will hire you as a doctor, in IT sector or sth if you don't speak English fluently. That's all

Not the case....I have met many doctors in a variety of setting whose English is way below that what would be expected in that job, particuarly from a pronunciation/being able to understand them aspect....no doubt their written English is good, but its very difficult for older patients to get the most from their consultations. Even though many are supposed to have a passed a certain type of use of English exam.

I am very disappointed to see lazy Irish youngsters not willing to go ahead with their education....

Every nation has a "rump" of stupid/uneducatable/feckless...............would you like a list?....:)

u seem to have forgotten very quickly how poor you were in the past

No...the Irish have very long memories, just like the Poles....we never forget......

your opinions please

To respond to the original post.....I think maybe 20% may stay, the remainder numbers will be seasonal/university types, savers for a deposit in a house/business......until the economies begin to equalise.......these percentages will fluctuate, then dwindle away....it may be 2/5/15 yrs...or until the Celtic Tiger dies a death....:(
ola123  
4 May 2007 /  #14
Yes stay there and bless them, 90% will stay imho.
UKGUY 3 | 87  
8 May 2007 /  #15
Ola just becuase your ashamed of Poland, other Poles might like it - so how can you say 90% will stay. Anyway I've got a good job waiting for you here in Englad (do you like picking peas at my Dad's farm?)
ola123  
8 May 2007 /  #16
Where am I ashamed of Poland? 90% will stay because they have jobs, homes there and money, why would they want to go back? And why are you ashamed of your homeand Romania and why are you pretending to be english?
UKGUY 3 | 87  
8 May 2007 /  #17
I don't think 90% will stay becuase alot of the jobs are temporary and you can't buy a decent home for under £250,000
Frank 23 | 1,183  
8 May 2007 /  #18
We have an ever increasing number of Poles here, some been here for several years, ok, most have not bought a house, but at least they have a job, contribute and get very valuable experience, never mind getting a deposit for a building plot, house, farm, business...which, they could NEVER have dreamt of 3-4-5 yrs ago......

They are doing their best to live the EU, capitalist/western dream........is that so bad?
daffy 23 | 1,508  
8 May 2007 /  #19
...is that so bad?

not at all :) its great i think :) diveresity
dannyboy 18 | 248  
9 May 2007 /  #20
Just what the country needed imo.
Couldn't really pick a better nation for immigrants - roman catholic, white, (developing) English speakers, hard workers, well educated.

No better nation for integration.

I don't want romanians or bulgarians unfortunately, not racist but it would pull things asunder.
daffy 23 | 1,508  
9 May 2007 /  #21
I agree with dannyboy - its great to have such diversity now and it came at the best time too! Ireland and Poland are similar in many ways and We've both found that on our trips to and from the various countries.
Deise 07 3 | 76  
2 May 2009 /  #22
Merged: Many Poles to stay on despite Great Irish Depression

Irish people have become used to the fact that the mechanic at the local car repair shop or the assistant in the coffee shop speaks with a Polish accent. During the boom years of the Celtic Tiger, up to half a million immigrants arrived in Ireland to find a better life, and they now make up one in 10 of the population born outside the country. The largest single group consists of Polish nationals, whose westward trek to Ireland in the last two decades has been a phenomenon of post-Cold War Europe.

Now, with the Irish economy shrinking at an unprecedented rate, many Poles are trickling back home on the cut-price airlines that brought them here, and the rate of new arrivals has slowed dramatically.

globalpost.com/dispatch/ireland/090425/amid-economic-downturn-poles-ireland-face-tough-choice
Gab - | 133  
6 May 2009 /  #23
What's your question?
moonlight 6 | 103  
6 May 2009 /  #24
What? Do people expect every person who came here during the Celtic Tiger to go back home? Some will go, some will stay.....
Mister H 11 | 761  
7 May 2009 /  #25
And such is the way of things the world over. People make a break for the "better life" holy grail and some find it and stay, others don't find it but stay anyway and some go back.

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