Poles in the UK sleeping in toilets

First of all you must be completely fecked up to post this in Christmass.
2nd - It is months old and has already been posted here.
3rd - This was written in May and then I would rather sleep in a park than in a damn closet, besides If these people, who supposedly sleep there were really "Polish builders" they would definately afford to rent some place or at worst would sleep at work If they were really greedy, so If anything of this is true, I could bet any money that It's just a couple of homeless people, not any "Polish builders" and the sh*it pretending to be a newspaper only look for a sensational BS, so British redneck, who is too stupid to find a job in his own country can unusually feel some "superiority". I think I will write a mail to Daily Sh*it and ask them to write something about a British drunk guy vomiting all over himself I pissed on last summer. That would be fun.


Were their customers complaing ?

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but this is typical of the anti-foreigner stance at The Daily Mail (a paper that supported the Nazis in the early 1930s and was complteely anti-semitic. Nothing has changed. It has daily stories about ethnic inorities or immigrants supposedly ruining Britain. Many of the readers who ost racist comments are ex-pats living in Spain etc. They do not understand irony or hypocrisy.

One of their columnists Richard Littlejohn wrote about trying to use a disabled toilet nd finding an Eastern european lving there. It seemed a made up story as he would have neede a special key for a disabled loo. The same stories about peole eating swans and carp is based on rumour but suddenly becomes fact.

This is how Nazi Germany happened. I've no intention of reading all the posts here as it seemed to be disintegrating. I find it strange that someone living in Poland can moan about immigrants!

When I visited Poland (Wroclaw and Krakow) a few weeks back I was struck by the friendliness. If only Some Brits were eually so in the UK.

Anyone interested in knowing that there are those that fight back against the Mail bigots should look at my blog

ericthefishking.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-mail-maths-knock-poland-volume-234.html

You would have to ask them. My friend decided against going back when the job was finished to conduct a survey.

That's not really the point though is it? My point as I'm sure you know is about the British economy.


It's the effect of the immigrants on the economy people are moaning about. Britons are not going to Poland, sleeping in toilets and offering to work for half the price of the Poles that live there, then moving back to the UK to spend their cash (to the best of my knowledge). Surely you can see a difference.


Not all disabled toilets require a key. Just because a story makes you look bad it does not mean it is made up.

Providing cheaper services is bad for British economy, yes I know what your point is.

Sadly I don't think you do.

So Mr economist, what is this ?

If you can't understand from the posts already posted, I don't have the time to bring you up to speed.

You sir don't even understand that construction companies first of all exist to provide services to customers for the best quality/cost ratio and not to provide employment to their owners, It's not that I "can't understand". I simply wanted to have some fun at your expense but you would have to write more than two lines to give me a chance.

Oh! This is really so sad. My heart bleeds for all those poor, poor people who don't have the luxury of tolerating bad conditions!!!

Come on, own up. You got this out of a Christmas Cracker!

That's fair enough. It might of been useful to let me know they were moved as opposed to deleted though.


So you would be all for allowing third world workers to flood Poland and undercut Poles then? I doubt that very much.

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It's usually a given that messages that "disappear" can generally be found in the random chat thread (which only registered users can access).

The undercutting argument is based on hearsay evidence. The TUC conducted a study as they were concerned about possible effects on UK workers' salaries and also the conditions for foreign workers. They found no real effect.

We can all rely upon anecdotal evidence about the plumber who did X for Y but this happens with the black economy in any event i.e non-payment of VAT or taxes.

Of course, unscrupulous employers can use this as a way of trying to force wages down; they were against the minimum wage as you well know.

If you check out the website I referrred to above you will see how the figures do not add up.

It is Enoch Powell type politics; imply someone is responsible for your plight to prevent you looking for the real cause.

NB the OP is noimmigration...bit of a giveaway to his/her/its neanderthal stance.

Not really. You can observe the effects. Where I live 95% of new developments are blocks of flats. The people filling these flats are mostly immigrants. Only the rich can afford the family home with a garden like most adult Brits grew up in during the 'good old days'. Of course, immigrants are not the only reason, but I would argue that they contribute to the problem.


I think those in the building trade would dispute this.

I'm not against immigration. When Europe is fully integrated I think things will be fine. The trouble is this transition period. Being one of the richer countries in the EU, people of the UK will have to suffer now to make the EU a better place for future generations. Be sure though. We ARE suffering because of this!

Surely there will be negative effects in Poland due to this situation too!?

You are misguided in this assumption.

I can't even be bothered to begin to explain to you the current climate of the construction industry but I would suggest that unless you are an employer in the construction industry, or have a building company, then you should just keep your ill-informed opinions on this subject to yourself.

Move on to something you have half an idea about

What about the British* who are sleeping in toilets? It's possible to manipulate the public opinion as much as you can just be looking at the problem from a slightly different angle.

* in reference to British homeless people

If you read my previous posts you will see that I have mentioned I have at least one friend who owns a building company. I actually have many friends with building companies. I can only speak from my own experiences, but a lot of people I know in the building industry see immigration as a problem. I'm curious why would think I am misguided.

If you can't be bothered to explain, then you probably shouldn't bother replying.

are British people going over to Poland and living in their toilets, NO. British homeless are a problem, we dont need polish homeless living like rats in our toilets.

Haha... having a friend who has a building company or knowing someone who has one is NOT the same as having first hand experience of the construction/building industry. I would suggest that your 'friend' looks closer to home at what he is offering his clients. If a Polish guy can lay a patio or build a silly little extension cheaper than he can then maybe he should explore the market further and find his niche.


Because I doubt that you would give my explanation proper consideration.

I can tell you that many in the building industry are positively salivating over the prospect of securing some skilled Polish workers, who they can exploit by making higher demands and paying half the wage.

This is something I personally abhor as an employer in the construction industry.

Then treat the issue as one, people are people and their actions dictate the response by the government. To my knowledge, powers of removal exist. Maybe they spent hard earned money to go to the UK in search of new employment and found that what they wanted didn't exist, so they had to resort to living in such conditions. Not everyone can just walk into favourable conditions and make a good fist of it

If only experts in the field were allowed to post their opinions, forums like this would probably not exist.

you ples are pathetic, trying to defend the actions of disgracful poles who have no problem living like animals.

this is why eastern europeans are not of the same calibre ,culture ,elegance ,sophistication etc as westerners.

You don't have to be expert, just don't be misguided by the media and trolls like noimmigration.

Get out there and get involved, then you will see for yourself what the truth is.

If you still feel the same way, then c'est la vie. You are, afterall, entitled to your opinion.

Why would you think that? You could not possibly be more wrong.


Obviously. I am passing on my friends experiences. Are you saying that because it is second hand it is completely invalid?


So he needs to look elsewhere because he cannot compete with someone who's accommodation outgoings are 20p a night, and who does not have to try and get onto the housing ladder at some point in the UK?

And English girls are elegant? Polish girls walk with far more grace, why?, bcoz they can. What is sophistication noimmigration? Let me ask u, r u pro-France?

My comments are from personal experience though. If yours a different, then post them. Add some substance to the debate. Don't just dismiss the experiences of others.

Ask why they are sleeping in toilets in the first place. Cuz they want to? I doubt it

Thank God. Once "western elegance" appears here, I will start looking for some other place to live in.

classy is not sleeping in toilets, classy is speaking a beautiful language. not slavic gutter talk.

classy is not selling yourself as a mail order bride (like polish woman do).

classy is comin g from western europea, the height of civilisation. not some eastern european, former communist hole.

No I'm not but as I said if you find a niche or develop a product then you move yourself out of the common market. There are differences between the build process in Poland and here, what with our regulations and 'way of doing things', so you don't have to go too crazy with developing some fabulous new idea, just offer the client more than the common builder.

Furthermore, I have found that, from a buisness point of view, it is far more benefitial to forget the client who wants to haggle over the pounds and the pence. Offer quality to those who want it and will pay accordingly. This sounds obvious but it goes against the grain for many builders.


I'm not sure about this. I don't know any Polish people who live in toilets or pay 20p a night to stay where? I only know Polish people who pay the going rate for privately rented accomodation and who wish to get on to the property ladder as soon as they can. Thats not a sarcy comment either btw!

It's Europe.

I am, we're just writing out of sync.

Also, I'm not dismissing the experience of others. It appears I am commenting on what you said your friend said!?

I'm not up for arguing, I just get irked when a debate is one-sided. For every Polish worker undercutting a Brit, there's a least twice as many Brits expoliting a Polish worker. That is fact in my part of the country unfortunately.

I'm off to make tea now, so chill for a bit!