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Why are we paying child benefit in Poland?


Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Dec 2009 /  #31
Are you changing my words again, delph? ;) ;)

Let me ask you this, would you feel confident going to work in France in a competitive European market with only GCSE Standard grades? I know I wouldn't.
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
6 Dec 2009 /  #32
I am just pointimg out that I see both sides of the spectrum. I live here, I am lazv, I have not bothered to really learn the language. My problem and I am ashamed of this.
dtaylor5632 18 | 2,007  
6 Dec 2009 /  #33
It goes both ways. I know people who have the same degrees as your wife, and still ask for help with certain words and meaning ect. English might seem such an easy language for us, but English has many more words than any other language in the world, ****, even I dont know them all :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Dec 2009 /  #34
We can all be put to shame in one way or another. Just be good at what you do and that'll minimise the risk of that happening.

As long as you aren't paying child benefit to random kids ;) ;)
wiesiek 1 | 36  
6 Dec 2009 /  #35
The problem is that the UK state could cut it out overnight by simply linking child benefit to school attendance - which has to be verified by the educational authorities

Very interesting and novel idea. It would even help with he crime figures, due to the parents of kids doing a bunk not getting their full entitlement to CB. Yes I am in favour. Delphiandomine for PM.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
6 Dec 2009 /  #36
Rights have to be qualified in some way and that is a good way to do it. With rights come responsibilities and they should be aware of those.
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
7 Dec 2009 /  #37
espana

The labour government in the UK are so predictable.

Avalon
"As I have said before, the poor do not pay taxes, the rich can afford good accountants to avoid their taxes, which leaves the middle income earners to get hammered."

Middle classes and the rich face biggest fall in living standards for decades

By Ryan Kisiel
Last updated at 11:05 AM on 07th December 2009

They may be hit even further by this week's Pre Budget Report, which is expected to tighten the screw on higher earners.

But the less well-off are expected to actually see their spending power rise next year. A single mother who receives around £10,000 a year is due to have an extra £130 annually.

Accountants PricewaterhouseCoopers calculated the amounts based on the Government's current tax rules and future plans.
The results showed that a middle-income family on around £30,000 a year with two young children and an unemployed partner will see their spending squeezed because of higher mortgage payments, a rise in petrol prices and planned rises in national insurance contributions.

Mortgage rates are assumed by PwC to increase from an average of 3 per cent in 2010, to 3.5 per cent in 2011 and 4.75 per cent in 2012.

Other expected rises in the cost of living is expected to make it financially harder for middle class families.

John Hawksworth, head of macroeconomics at PwC, told the Independent: 'While not large in absolute terms, these increases imply much larger percentage increases in mortgage payments from their present low base.

'This has a particularly significant effect on our high-earner, given their large mortgage, with smaller but still material effects on our discretionary spending budgets of our middle-income couple.'
Warszawa - | 2  
7 Dec 2009 /  #38
the right to job-seekers allowance, the right to housing or housing benefit would not be paid until the person concerned, had worked continually and paid tax and national insurance (ZUS) for a period of 12 months.

This makes my blood boil. I'm was born in Germany but migrated to the UK in 1992. I have practically lived her for all of my adult life so far. I have been educated here from primary school to university. Yet when I applied for Income Support on the basis of Incapacity while on medical leave from university, it took a two-year battle and a tribunal to finally pay me what I was entitled to. I had been here for more than 12 years, NOT 12 months, yet the kept bringing up the fact I'm not British. I was as British as I could be as a foreign national. Yet it took them so long. And then you have the Polese, albeit not just them to be fair, getting child benefit for their children that don't even live here. Arghhhhhhhhhhhh!

but many are finding that they are not getting the last laugh as they flee back home in a bid to escape bankruptcy.

And others apparently have collected what they wanted off the beefits here in the UK, and are now returning back home. I feel sorry for genuin people that claim benefits here in the UK, but also genuinely want to give something back and invest in the country!
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
7 Dec 2009 /  #39
Warszawa

This makes my blood boil.

The majority of British people are not happy with it either.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
7 Dec 2009 /  #40
Yet when I applied for Income Support on the basis of Incapacity while on medical leave from university,

Isn't as easy to get as one would imagine, they evidntly didnt feel that you were incapacitated enough - surely going back to live with your parents would have been a wise choice, as would any English person who was so ill that they couldnt finish off their studies.

Also why do you feel that the system should pay you something when you havent paid in? The majority of those claiming for kids back home are blokes that are working over here and paying tax and NI which is more (by the sounds of things) than you did.

I have been educated here from primary school to university.

If what you say is true then we are in big trouble!

The majority of British people are not happy with it either.

Only about those that screw the system, if someone contributes more than they take out, then all is good.

there's both GCSE and Standard Grade Polish now!

How many schools offer this?

As a side note, people are concerned about the figures of a few million on benefits for Poles who work here pay tax, when health tourism from people from outside of the EU costs us 100s of millions a year in antiviral treatments for HIV and AIDS in fact the amount spent last year could have built 3 hospitals!
derek trotter 10 | 203  
7 Dec 2009 /  #41
And then you have the Polese, albeit not just them to be fair, getting child benefit for their children that don't even live here. Arghhhhhhhhhhhh!

dont you know that scum all the time find the way to abuse benefit system, only decent people struggle because they care what people think about them.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306  
7 Dec 2009 /  #42
EU law and the British obey without question, all EU laws/regulations[/b] ( they are the only country to do so), it still applies to this day.

That is wrong. The Germans pay "Kindergeld" for UK children too.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454  
7 Dec 2009 /  #43
It would even help with he crime figures, due to the parents of kids doing a bunk not getting their full entitlement to CB.

You could go one further and link *all* child-related benefits and tax credits to school attendance. In fact, I struggle to see why they aren't linked!
Harry  
7 Dec 2009 /  #44
I take it you have never taught at a state school. If you had, you'd know that there are some kids who it would be better to pay to stay away (if they didn't do a very good job of staying away by themselves anyway).
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
7 Dec 2009 /  #45
That is wrong. The Germans pay "Kindergeld" for UK children too.

You tell me how many English kids get payments from Germany whilst they are living and going to school in England? The kind of people who are going to work in Germany are really not going to waste their time claiming benefits in a foreign country.
Steveramsfan 2 | 306  
7 Dec 2009 /  #46
I know of a lot, not exact numbers. These kids also get UK child benefit too.

Its a crazy EU rule, but if your entitled to it, why is it so wrong to take it?
enkidu 7 | 623  
7 Dec 2009 /  #47
I just want to say this:
No Pole ever asked for this.

Citizens of the UK elected certain kind of people to power.
This "certain people" made a law that allows to payment of child benefit to be made to someone who never put a foot on this shore. For what reason the did it? Nobody knows. But still: no Pole ever asked for it.

And now is the right time for a serious question:
Why should we (mean Poles) to decline this generous gift? Why should we care for well-being of UK more than citizens of this country? Obviously, you don't give a damn about "politics and stuff".

Don't blame us. It would be rude to decline this offer.
Blame yourself.

And next time - vote. Choose better.
Arien 3 | 721  
7 Dec 2009 /  #48
And next time - vote. Choose better.

I think it's safe to say almost everyone knows that the major changes and decisions - which affect all of us - are being made in the EU parliament. So I'm wondering why certain people don't seem to unite under a common banner, and form a party in the EU parliament themselves, instead of being seperate political entities, which are probably doomed to stay small and pretty much insignificant on a local level?

I don't even know why I'm posting this, I must be out of my mind or something.

;)
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
7 Dec 2009 /  #49
I know of a lot, not exact numbers. These kids also get UK child benefit too.

Surely you must have the statistics to back this claim up? Also if they are in receipt of benefits in the UK and in Germany they are theiving scum - note the fact I dont say how generous Germany is?

Citizens of the UK elected certain kind of people to power.
This "certain people" made a law that allows to payment of child benefit to be made to someone who never put a foot on this shore. For what reason the did it? Nobody knows. But still: no Pole ever asked for it.
And now is the right time for a serious question:
Why should we (mean Poles) to decline this generous gift? Why should we care for well-being of UK more than citizens of this country? Obviously, you don't give a damn about "politics and stuff".
Don't blame us. It would be rude to decline this offer.
Blame yourself.

generous gift you say...Oh thats us, give give give give :D Of course, its always someone elses fault...This is the signature tune of a Pole :D
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
7 Dec 2009 /  #50
Let us be honest about it, the UK gives so many benefits to so many people, she does not have a clue who they are or where they are from. The problem is we are so soft with our benefits, i mean really, allowing people from another country to claim them!!!! that is just WRONG!!!!
enkidu 7 | 623  
8 Dec 2009 /  #51
It may sounds funny (you know... I'm Polish :-)) but I really think that benefit and social security system in the UK just sucks. It's illogical, mad, lunatic. Personally I think that system that require from me (immigrant) just one single year of legal work in order to gain all privileges is deeply unfair (well... at list if you compare this with situation of somebody, who paid for 20-or-so years). But it's even worse. As a immigrant from EU country - I have a duty to work for full 12 months before I am entitled to ask for any favor. There are people (a lot of them!) from all over the world (Carraibean, Middle and Far East or Africa) who don't need to do anything! Even if they wish to pay taxes (even...), they can't, because they are forbidden to do any work. All they have to do is just claim asylum.

I really, really don't understand this. Why British government wants to destroy this country? Why people are so quiet?

And once more: No Pole ever asked for it.
If you spot banknotes on the pavement, wouldn't you pick it up? Everybody would.
But who and for what reason gives money away? That's the question.
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
8 Dec 2009 /  #52
Steveramsfan

That is wrong. The Germans pay "Kindergeld" for UK children too.

I said all EU regs, not some.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
8 Dec 2009 /  #53
Good point by enkidu. Every payment has a donator, though. The British middle class are paying through their teeth to maintain this system which doesn't really benefit them directly.

Cordial relations are based on more than benefits. Many people don't appreciate them and come to take them for granted.
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
8 Dec 2009 /  #54
enkidu

I wish there were another 8.000.000. like you in the UK.
enkidu 7 | 623  
8 Dec 2009 /  #55
There will be 8000000 in the UK. But not like me, I'm afraid.

Damn. I am outsider, but sometimes I feel really sorry for this country.
I can still see and feel sometimes the remains of it's greatness. I try to understand what was happen. For me it seems that there are people on the tops of the power who hate everything what is English or British (remember Ken Livingstone?)

What I totally fail to understand is this bloody numbness of Brits. If someone would be so kind end explain it to me in straight, simple words...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
8 Dec 2009 /  #56
Britain and Poland seem to be experiencing a mutual numbness. Some people here wouldn't be out of place in a zombie movie. WAKE UP! Indifference is what is gonna cost humanity dear.

It wasn't God that wrote the ineptitude contract.
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,846  
8 Dec 2009 /  #57
enkidu
If English people say anything about anything the PC police arrest us for racism
enkidu 7 | 623  
8 Dec 2009 /  #58
Britain and Poland seem to be experiencing a mutual numbness. Some people here wouldn't be out of place in a zombie movie.

Nope. In Poland - a City Mayor who would deliberately destroy symbols of the city (I mean old Routemaster) would be thrown out of his chair - literally. In Poland - any government who would admit it's policy of encouraging mass immigration in order to "lose social bonds a bit" would be beam out of political existence. In Poland - any council or whatever body that would spy on citizens in their own house, browse through rubbish-bins, or control the way you raise your own children - well... I just can't imagine this.

Majority of people in Poland still remember old People's Republic of Poland. We know where is "thin red line" lies.

If English people say anything about anything the PC police arrest us for racism

Well... It's yours choice. You have to choose between PC and patriotism.
(funny thing: In Polish language "partiotyzm" is definitely a virtue. In English this word sounds somehow... dirty)
As for us (Poles) and PC - majority of Poles hold PC in contempt. As a nation (of course - there are exceptions) we value honesty more than politeness.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
8 Dec 2009 /  #59
Well, the trams were destroyed here in Gliwice. They had been part of the fabric of the city for a very long time indeed. It wasn't just a pilot scheme that they floated, you know? Why? From an insider source, a relative of the mayor wasn't happy that the ground shook a little in his new flat and arranged a petition. It was a foregone conclusion what the result would be after rigging.

Poland will see that day, mark my words. It is part of the globalist agenda. It's time to start imagining ;) ;) Measures will be put in place soon enough to entice foreign nationals to Poland. Do you want to wager on that?
Avalon 4 | 1,068  
8 Dec 2009 /  #60
enkidu

You have only reiterated what I said in the earlier posts on this thread. The British voters you refer to have been told, nothing but lies for the past 12 years.

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