English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest

peterweg 37 | 2305

5 Mar 2007 / #1

Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands. Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different peoples: the Irish from the Celts, and the English from the Anglo-Saxons who invaded from northern Europe and drove the Celts to the country’s western and northern fringes.

iht.com/articles/2007/03/05/news/web.0305BRITS.full.php

hello 22 | 891

5 Mar 2007 / #2

What does it have to do with Poland?

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #3

Yes BUT you and your neighbour could be TWINS but if you disagree about the colour of the garden fence - that is cause enough to be enemies!

The Irish, Scottish and English may have similar genes (no surprise to me btw) but it is the SOCIO-PSYCOLOGICAL background MAKES them VERY different to each other.

Sure Polish, German, Bulgarians and Croats are genetically 'similar' by the same token, but you try telling them that! :)

good post!

BubbaIncognito

5 Mar 2007 / #4

What does it have to do with Poland?

very little i imagine... which would explian why it was posted in the off-topic lounge... perhaps...

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #5

What does it have to do with Poland?

Don't know really but it is in the off topic lounge section :)

Thinking about it, it means you can work anywhere in the UK Or Eire and know that you are dealing with a genetically identical bunch of miscreants

hello 22 | 891

5 Mar 2007 / #6

very little i imagine... which would explian why it was posted in the off-topic lounge... perhaps...

Whenever I see "English" or "British" in the topic I feel it's going to be deleted or closed soon - these two words are like catalysts to forum fights.

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #7

you are dealing with a genetically identical bunch of miscreants

ouch - that hurt szarlotka

Huegel 1 | 296

5 Mar 2007 / #8

which would explian why it was posted in the off-topic lounge

Far too logical Bubba. There has to be something else there. <remembering to observe your Shatnerian pauses> Get bletchley on the blower, we'll have them take a schnuffty.

God only knows what the Americans will make of that. :)

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

5 Mar 2007 / #9

Interesting that English is not a germanic language and was spoke before the Romans got here

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #10

eng & ire dont fight anymore hello???

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #11

<remembering to observe your Shatnerian pauses> Get bletchley on the blower, we'll have them take a schnuffty.

I'm afraid I don't understand your banter old man

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #12

Interesting that English is not a germanic language.

can you explain then why English is descended from german then peter?

hello 22 | 891

5 Mar 2007 / #13

eng & ire dont fight anymore hello???

But some Brits and some Poles do (for unknown reason).

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

5 Mar 2007 / #14

can you explain then why English is descended from german then peter?

Its not, read the article

Huegel 1 | 296

5 Mar 2007 / #15

Interesting that English is not a germanic language.

Damn clever Frenchies, coming over and stealing our words for Radiator.

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #16

tak, moze ale nie brit V ire anymore.

there are some poles who fight the brits and and brits that fight the poles here but not the irish :)

Its not, read the article

Genetics and Language are two different topics.

I read the article. read this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

English is an Anglo-Frisian language brought to southeastern Great Britain in the 5th century AD by Germanic settlers from various parts of northwest Germany (Saxons, Angles) as well as Jutland (Jutes).

English, a West Germanic language

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #17

English is an Anglo-Frisian

Ah, you mean we all look and talk like cows eh? Pull the udder one:)

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #18

wrong kind of friesian szar :)

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #19

Oh yes. Foolish of me.

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

5 Mar 2007 / #20

English, a West Germanic language

No, it isn't. Read the article

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #21

Oh yes. Foolish of me.

nie nie, just, eager :) and you may have variant CJD - jury is still out

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #22

and you may have variant CJD

In which case I intend to go into politics forthwith :)

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #23

Quoting: daffy
English, a West Germanic language

No, it isn't. Read the article

you refuse to read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

Peter, im not arguing with you, im showing you the proof to the statement about the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. The GENETICS of the British and IRISH is a different issue. and one article in the Herald does not change history of the English language

uoting: daffy
and you may have variant CJD

In which case I intend to go into politics forthwith

over qualified!

szarlotka 8 | 2205

5 Mar 2007 / #24

Well it's been a long and trying day so I will bid you all goodnight. At least I can sleep sound in the knowledge that I am genetically structured in such a way to keep up drinking with the Irish on St Patrick's Day. Dobranoc (spelling, jeez)

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #25

that I am genetically structured in such a way to keep up drinking with the Irish on St Patrick's Day.

slainte! :) ill drink one in your memory!

Huegel 1 | 296

5 Mar 2007 / #26

Those pesky Saxons, Jutes and Angles.

Hmm, Angles, Saxons?

Angle oh Saxons (Matron) Can I hold anything for you Vicar? :)

Dane Geld isn't he that the guy from Another Level who had an accident with a pair of shears? :)

ArturSzastak 3 | 593

5 Mar 2007 / #27

No, it isn't. Read the article

You guys are both right.

Although the Celtic immigrants may have been few in number, they spread their farming techniques and their language throughout Ireland and the western coast of Britain. Later immigrants from Northern Europe had more influence on the eastern and southern coasts. They, too, spread their language, a branch of German, but these invaders' numbers were also small compared with the local population.

Celtic and German.

But then the Normans under William the Conqueror came and French was introduced. (other groups came to the British Isles as well) So its a mix of languages.

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #28

Dane Geld isn't he that the guy from Another Level who had an accident with a pair of shears?

i...don't know :)

OP peterweg 37 | 2305

5 Mar 2007 / #29

Anyone who quotes wikipedia a the pure source of knowledge is is evident fool. You also don't understand genetics and its relation to lanuage.

You also haven't read the article.

daffy 22 | 1153

5 Mar 2007 / #30

You guys are both right.

when talking about JUST the ENGLISH language, the ENGLISH language is a western Germanic language only

Gaelic (the IRish & scottish language, you are right, is different again)

but dealing ONLY with the ENglish language - i am not making facts up to suit myself.

i wouldn't :) im a lousy liar :)

a the pure source of knowledge is is evident fool.

its only the FIRST source - dont make me go librarian on your a$$!

and GENETICS HAS NOTHING to do with language!!!

well, with the ORIGINS of it

tak it has developmental basis in the HUMAN mind but that his NOT in the realm of HISTORY!

ebbs.english.vt.edu/hel/hel.html

just ANOTHER source of MANY stating ENGLISH as a germanic LANGUAGE (nOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS)