English, Irish, Scots: They're All One, Genes Suggest

Come on then Quincy. Edumucate us. What does genetics have to do with language?

Why am I expecting a punch line to follow that? :)

Wrong.
You are saying that your parentage has no connection to the language you speak?
People born in Poland randomly start speaking English or Chinese?

Tigers can be cared for by monkeys, but that doesn't make the Tiger a monkey. Genetically, it's still a tiger. Even if it speaks monkey when it's ahome. :) Try harder.

Ehem.....I was an Aussie before my rebirth, a-thank you.

WRONG

Im not saying that AT all!

Im saying that the ENGLISH LANGUAGE arrived in the isles around the 5th C AD.
IT IS PROVEN BY MINDS GREATER THAN YOU OR I

THAT IT IS A WESTERN GERMANIC LANGUAGE

Origins of language are not confined to genetics. if that were so, why do i speak english when i come from Gallic family? SOCIO-POLTICIAL FACTORS

THE ANGLE-SAXONS BROUGHT it from SAXONY/JUTELAND (NOW GERMANY) and they RULED the isles and IMPOSED there language!

Thereby NOT rubbishing what ive said - in fact all ive done is point out sources!

Genetics is ONE factor - which I ALREADY AGREED WITH BUT langauge is a total OTHER point.

Tigers eats Monkey, unless something artifical intervens.
Similarly, until the industrial revolution people lived and died within a few miles of where they were born. Except in very define events such as invasions or migrations.

if they were raised by chinese people - yes! your language is NOT genetic YOur are nOT born with English ore pOlish in your blood (why learn it in school if that is the case)

Mum why is that pig wearing a tiger skin rug?
Shh: Now Timothy, that's not a pig, listen. <shh> See, there, it roars like a Tiger. Genetics and language, interconnected, you'll learn timothy, you'll learn. :)

look at all the PAN european wars, the roman migrations, the Barbarian invasion, the black death!

Your comment doesnt hold weight with the facts of history

Your dead right Heugal!

Those source quote are now been proved to be wrong. I didn't write the article, I had no input on it, I'm merely trying to get you to read it.

Read the article before spouting off. English came to Britain before the Roman invasion possibly from northern France.


How on earth would a Chinese person get to Poland 1000 years ago? Get on a train?

How did the Mongolians do it? How did the Huns get to Rome? The Russian expedition to get to America, which ended when they got to Alaska, started in the Eastern half of Russia.

Horses....in big groups


How do you explain Christopher Columbus? The Native Americans? Cro-magnon originated in Africa and made his way to Europe, explain that one.

ive read it Peter.

it deals with GENETICS which is DIFFERENT to language.

Language is imposed by the victor, the ruler. the language does not follow genetics.

otherwise i shouldnt be speaking english BUT the anglo saxons that came from modern day germany, who founded the english language as we know it, conquered us and there language was imposed.

Our genetic trial remains unchanged and intergrated with rulers (as one does over time)

and we now speak a western germanic language WHILE genetcally stays as the article says.
i never said genetically the article was wrong, i agreed with it and i dont like doing this but i DID higher level biology with genetics AS my core subject. and i DO know that language is NOT tied into genetics. AS you can take a polish baby and give him to english parents (living in POland lets say) and the child will learn english. He is still GENETICALLY polish. that doesnt change and i never said that does

But you have refused to acknowlegde HISTORIES influence on LANGUAGE (not Genetics)
THe ruler Dictates language (the Romans imposed Latin)

Cro-Magnon was about 30,000 years ago if my memory serves me right. Either that or 35,000 along with Neanderthal.

The Khan's managed it quite well. Nice family. Lovely neighbours. Ok, only 800 years ago though. :)



edit: you beat me to it Daffy. This thread is moving like a bullet train. :)

im talking about today - your being flipant now.

And you needant go as far as china, look at switzerland (italian, German, French languages yet, similar genes - its all about socio-political forces is language)


exactly, migration happened, that shows in our genes. BUT language is another kettle of fish and not tied into it. Genes don't determine this.

and the source of ENGLISH as a language is NOT determined by genetics but by HISTORY our genes did not make up the languages BUT human interaction between dominant and submissive. ANd the ANGLE-SAXONS come from where? and they speak what? could it be WESTERN GERMANIC - i think it is, there is back up a plenty. is it to do with genetics. no.

in fact, GREAT example, one girl was here the other day poland_2006 i believe, she Was born in poland and now lives in the USA. she speaks english because of here SOCIO-POLITICAL surroundings - being USA and that being an english speaking area

your defintion dictates she can only speak polish as a first language (as you dont rule out the obvious fact anyone can learn english) BUT she speaks English as a first language NOTHING to do with genetics.

I wans't disproving you. I was commenting on Peter's post:

Daffy: We know you're right, you know you're right but:
Keywords: Brick Wall, Head, Banging.

wiem, i was agreeing with you, *(exactly)* and directing the rest to peter

Very distinct migrations that you can measure.


Thats exactly where you are going wrong, this is a historical study, when people did not move from their birthplace. Thats why you can use genetics to trace a language.

Forget teh issue of Poland and China, its a red herring. According to that map everyone in eastern europe must be 100% Mongels

wiem, wiem....wiem....

Not right, ignorant.

tak, they dont move from there birthplace - the genetics wont vary HOWEVER invaders come and say! we now rule you! (not quite so simpley)

and they impose there laws, customs and....LANGUAGE

as the anglo saxons (who came from modern day WEST GERMAY) did to the british isles

So if an archaeologist digs you up in a 1000 years he'll know you were fluent in bullsh*t? :)

we;re saying the same thing

Hehe, my mistake :)

this couldnt be any clearer

Ok forget it. The subject is obviously a bit beyond your comprehension.

So when Jews were enslaved by Egypt, escaped to the promised land, were kicked out by the muslims, came to europe, went through the Holocoust, after spending all those years in Poland -speaking Polish- and now back in Isreal their language has changed minimally and you tell me that they can tell you what langauge they spoke After spending all thos years in different countries his DNA will always say Jerusalem?

He's making it up as he goes along. :) Come on, don't give up. Those that can, do. Those that can't teach.

Teach us master. Teach us. :)

We promise not to laugh and we won't interupt. :)

you;ve sourced a newspaper article. your saying that language IS soley dependant on Genetics and IS nothing to do with SOCIO-POLITICAL influnce

It would seem that its beyond your comprehension


well that killed the topic :)