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Polish Education Grading and Uk Edu. Grading?


Stupidwelsh  
26 Nov 2006 /  #1
I’ve placed this request in this forum as I could not see a more appropriate one, feel free to move it [admin] if you see a better place for it.

My girlfriend is very interested in pursuing her new found interest in mental health nursing, and of course I would wish to help in anyway I can- however I am unsure how the Polish education translates into the UK education grading, is there anyone who would be willing to advise?

I know I could just approach the authorities but I would like first to be able to help her in an informed way. As it stands she is working in a private nursing home [UK] but is offered little training and development regardless of her obvious aptitude for her job.
macko  
26 Nov 2006 /  #2
I think in Poland there are the following grades in schools:

1 - unsatisfactory
2 - poor
3 - average
4 - good
5 - very good
6 - excellent

As far as colleges/universities are concerned, I think most of them don't have the "1" and "6" grades.
OP Stupidwelsh  
27 Nov 2006 /  #3
Thank you for the help, I went to the local further education department today and they promised to send me some information, I think if it is valuable then I will post it here- I think it would be valuable to Polish nationals if they could directly compare their education grades with the equivalents in the EU country they choose to work.
Varsovian 92 | 634  
28 Nov 2006 /  #4
My info is out of date, but probably still relevant.
I assume your girlfriend took matura ...
Everything should be acceptable as A-level equivalents with one God-Almighty exception.
English.
If she wants to get anywhere job-wise, she must get GCSE English. All FE colleges offer it cheaply, and it's usually available as a one year evening course. Without it she would always have her hands tied behind her back when job-hunting.

It was the best thing I ever forced my wife to do in England. No Cambridge Certificate is worth half as much, even if they are more difficult to get. UK employers want UK qualifications they can easily understand, not something foreign they'd have to stretch their brain around.
jono  
28 Nov 2006 /  #5
Polish qualifications mean nothing outside Poland.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
28 Nov 2006 /  #6
I think you will find that if a person gained their degree after they went in to the EU it counts..

Stupidwelsh

Both of my brothers work in Mental Health and to be honest its not a good time for a non national to try and get in to nursing...just arent the jobs for the highly qualified English, so a non national has no chance, they interview from within and even though the job might be advertised (as by law) an outsider has little or no chance.
Maati 1 | 178  
29 Nov 2006 /  #7
Polish qualifications mean nothing outside Poland.

That's too bad.
Here in PL I teach many univeristy students from USA, Germany, Britain, Scandinavia, Italy, Spain etc.
They study nursing, IT, medicine, history, philosophy etc.
I guess they will end up as homeless losers, when they come back to their countries.
Or maybe it's like only Polish people qualifications mean nothing outside PL?
As long as you are whatever native, you will get a good job, even if graduated from Planet Mars Univeristy.
Varsovian 92 | 634  
29 Nov 2006 /  #8
My wife's qualifications in language teaching were recognised in the UK - and that was back in 1991.
But they would have been worthles without her English GCSE (mała matura)
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #9
Hello everybody,

Warsowian or Varsovian, I agree with you that we should keep in hand some English lang. certificate when we're hunting for some job but I do not assume that we should do GCSE in English. That's too far enough. Why? It's simply as 1,2,3. We are in European Union and that's why England opened for us their borders to let us to work here. If they did it they should assume there are many different education systems in the UE and they should accept them. If they don't, it means they think their education system is the best which is daydreaming. They're education system isn't the best. The next thing is that if english employers are so lazy to know a little bit more about something different that on the island only appears to be it's not my problem. Why is that different in the USA? I don't know but I know I was working a couple years in the USA and they haven't had any problem with recognition of polish education levels and certificates and they accepted them as much as they're own.

I've got Advance in English and I don't think I need they're GCSE. Not everything is GCSE. Many English language schools offer level based certificates from beginners to proficiency in English. What's about that? If I've got Advance it means I'm worse that GCSE? B...S...! GCSE is something like intermediate in English nothing more. So, Why should I do Intermediate if I've got Advance? Don't you think it's some kind of paradox?

---THIS IS FOR EMPLOYERS ONLY--- MAYBE NOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT POLISH EDUCATION--- :)

POLISH QUALIFICATIONS EQUIVALENT TO ENGLISH :

Szkola Podstawowa - Primary school, starting at age 6 for 6 years

Gimnazjum - Lower Secondary School, from age 13 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia gimnazjum – equivalent to the British GCSE.

Entry to upper secondary schools depends on the satisfactory results in the lower secondary school. Students can then choose from a variety of upper secondary schools:

Szkoła Zawodowa - Basic vocational school, from age 16 for 2 or 3 years. Education includes school based practical training and periods of placement with employers. Certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia szkoły zawodowej – equivalent to a British NVQ2.

Liceum Ogólnokształcące - General secondary school, from age 16 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia liceum ogólnokształcącego. Commonly known as “Matura” (Certificate of Maturity) – equivalent to British A-Levels.

Technikum - Technical secondary school, from age 16 for 4 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia technikum – equivalent to British A-Levels + NVQ3.

Liceum Profilowane - Vocational secondary school, from age 16 for 3 years, certificate awarded: Świadectwo ukończenia liceum profilowanego – equivalent to British A-Levels + NVQ3.

The Polish educational system was reformed in 1999. Prior to that it consisted of 8 years in primary school, then 4 years in a general or a vocational schools or 5 years in a technical school or 3 years in a basic vocational school. Graduates of the latter could pursue their education for 3 years in a technical school. All the certificates prior to 1999 are the same as those after 1999. Prior to 1999 compulsory education ended at the age of 18.

Students with satisfactory results from general secondary schools, technical secondary schools or vocational secondary schools can enter University-level education.

University-level education has a numeric system of grades from 2 to 5, with grades every 0.5. Grade 3.0 is the lowest passing grade and grade 5.0 is usually the highest. Grades 5.5 and 6.0 are sometimes given, in some universities, as an "exceeds expectations" grade.

The Polish titles that students can receives are as follows

UNDERGRADUATE (3 or 3½ years undergraduate study)
Licencjat – equivalent to a British Bachelor of Arts or a Batchelor of Science degree

Licencjat Pielęgniarstwa - studies in the field of nursery.

Licencjat Położnictwa - studies in the field of midwifery.

Inżynier (3½ to 5 years study) – equivalent to a British Batchelor of Science Engineering degree.

Inżynier Architekt - studies in the field of architecture and town-planning.

POST-GRADUATE (2 or more years post-graduate study)
Magister – equivalent to a British Master of Arts or a Master of Science degree

Magister Sztuki – studies in the field of fine arts.

Magister Inżynier - studies in the field of engineering.

Magister Inżynier Architekt – studies in the field of architecture and town planning.

Lekarz Medycyny – studies in the field of medicine.

Lekarz Dentysta (or prior to 30.04.2004 Lekarz Stomatolog) – studies in the field of dentistry.

Lekarz Weterynarii – studies in the field of veterinary medicine.

ACADEMIC DEGREES
Doktor (2 to 4 years of post-graduate study) – equivalent to a British Doctor of Philosophy

Doktor Habilitowany - is awarded to a person who holds a doktor's degree, has significant scholarly or artistic achievements and has submitted a thesis that has been reviewed, debated and defended (rozprawa habilitacyjna).

Profesor - the title of profesor is conferred by the President of the Republic of Poland. Equivalent to the British title of professor.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
4 Nov 2009 /  #10
Warsowian or Varsovian, I agree with you that we should keep in hand some English lang.

You're starting to sound like some other immigrants who'd I be happy to pop on a plane and send back to their backwards country...ENGLAND DOESNT HAVE TO DO A DAMN THING!! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONE COME HERE.

As for you're comments about England opening its boarders, it grossly under estimated the numbers that would arrives from the new member states, I think they thought it would be in the region of 15,000. If we do ever get a vote in the UK I can tell you now, the vast majority of Brits will vote to close the boarders.
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #11
ShelleyS
if you do so, than everybody in UE should do the same for you and say hasta la vista baby :)
laddy - | 22  
4 Nov 2009 /  #12
why would that be? do not forget that just the south east of england is the 7th largest economy in the world, granted its in a bit of a state now, but it is british tax payers money getting pumped into the banking system that hopefully will sort it out. we do not need europe, never have. why do we need something that we pay the most in for the littlest benefit. if any thing europe needs us alot more then we need it. do you really think the countrys that relies on tourism as they main income will close they borders to the people who spend the most on holidays? british people have been keeping these countrys ticking over for years and there will continue to do so. next time you try and be clever and hide behind your newly formed tag of europe as a superstate think off what it would mean to it if we were not they. and trust me on this, you would not be putting smiley faces at the end of your posts. :)
Slawek076 - | 81  
4 Nov 2009 /  #13
laddy

You point is you are strong because of money. My point is money is not everything and it will never be and you will never be only one ruler. And trust me there is a thick line to break it and to mess everything around you. Money won't help at all in that situation. It will make this situation even worse. The most thing we all now need is respect and understanding. We should help- each other rather than fight each other. We've fought over thousands of years and many people died. The next fight if it becomes real will be the final one and nobody survive no matter if it's rich or poor existence. Power and harm use of money won't help!

By the way look at the Universe and you will see the real ruler and power. We're just the dust that may disapear in seconds. Why not to help each other then? Why to fight, brothers against brothers? We are one race on the one planet, we should work like one big machine but we don't. Does it make sense to say we are worth to survive while we kill each other to getting goods, but goods are in real for everyone if only we understand that we all are one?
laddy - | 22  
5 Nov 2009 /  #14
no my point is strong because we do not need europe as it is now. its main purpose was to free up trade to the weaker countrys, now these countrys are doing well its about time britain was free from it. and i do not disagree about working closely but if these countrys can join europe they should be able to support they own citizens with what we can. why should one country have to support the rest??
Slawek076 - | 81  
5 Nov 2009 /  #15
but if these countrys can join europe they should be able to support they own citizens with what we can.

Totally agree. Our Government should work for people not for their private bussineses.

why should one country have to support the rest??

Do not agree with you. England is not only one country in the EU that supports poor countries in the EU. There are many countries like Germany or France and they support other countries as much as you do and they do not say they won't because they're only one who supports.
laddy - | 22  
5 Nov 2009 /  #16
yes these countrys support, but there also take some of the most. take france, when kids grow up there want to be astronauts or firemen, french kids want to be farmers, 100 grand plus a year french farmers claim. what i dont agree with is that british tax payers pay the most into a very flawed system. and that is a fact. what britain pays into europe is more then what some of these countrys own economy make.

I do not assume that we should do GCSE in English. That's too far enough. Why? It's simply as 1,2,3. We are in European Union

this i agree with, considering a lot of english people dont even have one. but there must be some sort of test in reading and writing. if you cannot pass this then sorry you cannot work here, and that gos for everybody. from my own experiences this lack of language is highly dangerous. and when i mean test i dont mean what ever piece of paper they brought. there should be an aptitude test before anybody enters the country to work/ settle here. judging by your grasp of the language you cannot denie this.
nincompoop_not 2 | 192  
6 Nov 2009 /  #17
this lack of language is highly dangerous.

how i agree with you on this one!

because of the lack of language you get plenty of charities and other organisations set up to support various communities solving their problems and trying to educate about the country.

And it was Labour's idea to create 'cohesive communities' which simply doesn't work if someone has got attitude: "im EU citizen now - deal with it!
Slawek076 - | 81  
6 Nov 2009 /  #18
if you cannot pass this then sorry you cannot work here, and that gos for everybody. from my own experiences this lack of language is highly dangerous. and when i mean test i dont mean what ever piece of paper they brought. there should be an aptitude test before anybody enters the country to work/ settle here. judging by your grasp of the language you cannot denie this.

Yes that's true. I know so many people from my country whose know only how to say good night. It's radiculous that people like me whose prepared themselves by studying your language a couple years before we came here but many with lack of studying your language have no idea how to tell simply word in english, it's really annoying. But we should blame super employement agencies. They look only for cheap and easy workers, they don't care about their english etc etc...simply offering them employement on ongoing contracts without any right. Those agencies slowly act the same way against English citizens. It makes a mess on you job market. I've always thought that everybody should work for company and should be a little secured about his future.

And it was Labour's idea to create 'cohesive communities' which simply doesn't work if someone has got attitude: "im EU citizen now - deal with it!

I'm EU citizen but everybody should realize his responsibility that we don't speak the same language and if somebody visits english language country he/she should be preapared to deal with this language. English language in nowodays is like universla language you can use it everywhere and there always will be someone who will undertand it. It's just some kind of responsibility we should take. English tests are good idea but there should be also agreement for other certificates than only made in England if those certificates are from most known educational bodies like Cambrige certificates or Oxford...We can do them also abroad in other countries than the UK is and they use the same tests and everything to issue this certificates for you. There should be two groups of tests for new visistors. One for people without language certificates and other just to test the real language lever for those whose have got one.
frd 7 | 1,399  
6 Nov 2009 /  #19
The problem ain't with people who lack in preparation. It's with those who are already in UK and refuse to learn, they don't feel the need to learn the language and customs. It should be all pleasentries and integration. But it's not gonna be, because the majority of immigrants had been a lot of lazy boors in their home country and not much has changed after their emigration.
laddy - | 22  
6 Nov 2009 /  #20
yes alot, not all, dont see the point to learn as they get what there want anyway. if you are not clever enough or just cannot be botherd, then you should not be here. what can these people offer the uk or any other soft touch country?
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
9 Nov 2009 /  #21
But we should blame super employement agencies

Always someone else and not the Pole at fault... Lack of responsibility lies with both parties.

simply offering them employement on ongoing contracts without any right.

Yep and they offer these to British people now - flooding the labour market on an Island has created a lot of problems that have filtered down to the indiginous population, we have gone backwards since our boarders were opened.

Those agencies slowly act the same way against English citizens. It makes a mess on you job market. I've always thought that everybody should work for company and should be a little secured about his future.

See my comments above.

It's with those who are already in UK and refuse to learn

Why bother when your mates are Polish, you can go to a Polish shop and watch Polish TV and your employer couldnt care less as long he gets his 8 hours a day out of you for minimum wage on a contract that isnt worth the paper its written on.

English tests are good idea but there should be also agreement for other certificates than only made in England if those certificates are from most known educational bodies like Cambrige certificates or Oxford...We can do them also abroad in other countries than the UK is and they use the same tests and everything to issue this certificates for you. There should be two groups of tests for new visistors. One for people without language certificates and other just to test the real language lever for those whose have got one.

The reason they acknowledge Cambridge is because it's regulated, if we start to recognise every Tom Dick and Harry we will have a problem we are trying to erradicate in the UK which is bogus colleges with bogus certificates. There should be a standard short written exam up on entry to the UK along with verbal test, these should be paid for by the person coming in, Im not talking about £100s of £'s a fee of £20 would be fine, I couldnt care less what certificate you have, if you cant read or write or speak it doesnt matter what a piece of paper says.

I also feel that if a person needs an interpreter, they should pay for this themselves, I think this is standard in Poland? I actuallly think thats right too, why should people expect their host country to pander to their needs if they cant be bothered to learn the language then they should pay for assistance.
Slawek076 - | 81  
10 Nov 2009 /  #22
I couldnt care less what certificate you have, if you cant read or write or speak it doesnt matter what a piece of paper says.

What a bull shi.? If you have made Cambrige or Oxford regulated certificates you will be able to speak, read and even better than some of you write even if you made this certificate on planet x. Does it mean you don't accept your own most known English certificates? By the way, the xxx named colleges can't issue Cambrige or Oxford certificates without those bodies agreement for that. Without this it's illegal to issue your certificated because it's just breaking the law. This fact means that these colleges have to face the highest teaching standards which are provided by most known bodies. Example: I'm at the airport, the border immigration offices gives me some application pack for your Cambridge Univ. regulated test, I explain to this guy in English that I can speak well plus I've got your certificate you ask me in this situation to pay twice. I showed that guy my Cambridge certificate and I talk talk in your language explaining to him why....Does it make any sense in this situation to even ask me to do next copy of the paper I've actually got? Isn't it ripping people for next 20 pounds and isn't it ignorance to that what your bodies issued to me even if it's issued outside your island? Isn't it a crazy sound?
laddy - | 22  
10 Nov 2009 /  #23
i have seen poles say their are electricians, even had some fancy paper work, couldnt even do a simple ring main. i have seen them say their are welders, and cannot tell the difference between mig and tig. this has cost me money, this has cost the country money. if their want to work here 1st their should apply in that country. then pass an english test. then pass at test for what ever work their want. then and only the apply for the jobs their want. and if the quota for the year has been filled, then sorry thanks but no thanks snitchel!
Slawek076 - | 81  
10 Nov 2009 /  #24
i have seen poles say their are electricians, even had some fancy paper work, couldnt even do a simple ring main. i have seen them say their are welders, and cannot tell the difference between mig and tig. this has cost me money, this has cost the country money.

Everywhere are bad and good specialists. Many of us have got knowledge that allows us not only install simply electric circuits but also design them. I'm IT specialist and belive me I saw your IT guys doing things which costs you and your country much much more than you could imagine. Leaving backdoors in operating systems, lack od hardware knwoledge ect. ect and your lazy view of that fact there's always time to fix it even if some hackers from Pakistan will help you to spread your super secret info over internet. I saw either your other super mario bros brothers whom couldn't even mount the lamp on the wall without breaking your paper walls. Oh I've just forgotten to say, there's always time for your lunch and tea even if some dangerous people blow you up.

couldnt even do a simple ring main.

That's why they couldn't do that. So stupid and primitive sollutions are only possible here.

Source Wikipedia

In electricity supply, a ring final circuit or ring circuit (informally also ring main or just ring) is an electrical wiring technique developed and primarily used in the United Kingdom that provides two independent conductors for live, neutral and protective earth (ground) within a building for each connected load or socket.

Connect to this couple electric devices and you will see final sum of main current on main fuse , just blowing it up :) Very wise
frd 7 | 1,399  
10 Nov 2009 /  #25
Why bother when your mates are Polish, you can go to a Polish shop and watch Polish TV and your employer couldnt care less as long he gets his 8 hours a day out of you for minimum wage on a contract that isnt worth the paper its written on.

Yeah I know, but that's not how it should be done when you're a guest in another country. It's all about people who are not open minded and curious about the world and culture..

i have seen poles say their are electricians,

And you have seen so many of your own people always being truthful, always legitimate, everyone of them living up the expectations.. I think you're overexaggerating with your "poles no gooders" attitude.

Test before work? Rubbish. When you're looking for an employer it is his god given right to test you, and it is in his best interest to do that ( wait actually the mechanism you mentioned already exists it's called job interview ). As for self-employed - these people are usually building up their own image as workers, so if they are dodgy, or you've heard bad things about them you don't have to employ them - that's an international truth not some "watch for false polish electricians" stuff. If you were a patriot you would have employed british electricians, but noo, you go for a bargain and that's what you get.

Tell you marvelous ideas to hundred thousands people miggrating from uk and ireland to australia and US each year. Years quota - that's some crazy Brave New World drivel.

super mario bros brothers

They are plumbers, muppet. Stop spamming, think more before posting so you don't get second thoughts.

So stupid and primitive sollutions are only possible here.

bollocks, there's as many bad solutions in Poland as there is anywhere else so being nitpicky about it is a parochial primitive behaviour.
Slawek076 - | 81  
10 Nov 2009 /  #26
They are plumbers, muppet. Stop spamming, think more before posting so you don't get second thoughts.

Well, it was about your plumbers either...I've seen a couple very talented :)

I'm not muppet...There was an animal in Muppets still saying eat..eat...more...more...still hungry still hungry ....lol...it seems you want to be like this one from Muppets..i'm not saying you but some of you

bollocks, there's as many bad solutions in Poland as there is anywhere else so being nitpicky about it is a parochial primitive behaviour.

As we have noticed as it is only used on your island....Tell me why? Isn't it so perfect to be used everywhere? No way... Most bad sollutions in Poland is because of last waste of time from being some part of Comunism - you and all west put us in it in 1945, next act of being friend. Compare it to the sollutions our designers use and design now and you will see if they're clever or not.
nincompoop_not 2 | 192  
10 Nov 2009 /  #27
What a bull shi.? If you have made Cambrige or Oxford regulated certificates you will be able to speak, read and even better than some of you write even if you made this certificate on planet x.

what a bull.s...t

- if i can quote you Slawek

I have NO certificates in English - Cambridge or otherwise; I haven't attended ANY English language school in the UK nor Poland
I 'studied' it in Poland the way English study any other foreign language, i.e French or German
And I am not pariculary hardworking - language wise; wouldn't consider myself language talented also
laddy
you have completely different rules re: electricity that Poland has and many of really good electricians had to go through courses here to be able to do these kind of jobs
frd 7 | 1,399  
10 Nov 2009 /  #28
ost bad sollutions in Poland is because of last waste of time from being some part of Comunism

Oh come on, you can't blame everything on communism forever, many ridiciolous ideas, reforms are being introduced by local city councils all over Poland right now, not mentioning the government. If you want to talk about ww2 go to another thread instead of trolling in here, there are other old topics with people bashing themselves over things that are irrelevent nowadays. Instead of admitting that you are generalizing and being half-assed nitpicky. I heard that IT people are good with gathering information, from what I see you're giving us IT guys a bad name reading every second word of what people write in here. Because if you were reading everything you would have noticed im Polish. Why bother posting in here if you are not reading what other people post?
Slawek076 - | 81  
10 Nov 2009 /  #29
from what I see you're giving us IT guys a bad name reading every second word of what people write in here. Because if you were reading everything you would have noticed im Polish. Why bother posting in here if you are not reading what other people post?

I do not bother. I'm just giving you the facts. Why? Easy to understand. If we could have the same start like all other West countries from beginning after WW2 we wouldn't have been in situation like now. 50 years after...well now maybe 30 years after all West (i'm not saying about goods but about infrastructure and economy)because as you said as there are some people in Poland whose work hardly instead of goverments. By the way, I consider that many of you here is Polish including me.

you have completely different rules re: electricity that Poland has and many of really good electricians had to go through courses here to be able to do these kind of jobs

Well...physics is everywhere the same, just solutions are different. I agree that our electricians need to study your sollutions before they're dealing with them, but I don't think they are bad electricians without the knowledge about your solution but with the right knowledge about electricity physics and safety. I agree your solutions are specific which haven't been used in any other country but still there are some standards you have got and these standards are the same everywhere.
nincompoop_not 2 | 192  
10 Nov 2009 /  #30
slawek

re: electricity - it wasn't to you

as i said before - and I repeat - you are crap at multitasking (reading and understanding what you read)

as for communism - you are younger then I am and I don't think you can blame communism for everything. If I was you, I;d say - Im grateful for the experience

frd
don't get me started on the IT people :) It's my pet hate

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