Anti-Polish sentiment of England

yeah and...



what are you preaching Rocky? love?

yeah but think of the food mate.

one one hand you have a plate of soggy, starch filled pierogies with a side order of grated cabbage and on the other you have a plate full of fresh and flavoursom ingredients, with a side order of jalapenos

seperates the men from the boys really

Puzzy, how stupid are you? You complain about anti-Polish attitudes then use the term 'negro'. Talk about undermining your argument. I'm guessing you're not the brightest.

Even the Daily Mail wouldn't use a term like that...

poor puzzywuzzy never did have any arguements

bless

If Puzzler could pat you on the head right now, he would.

None of those things about immigration are true. Especially in the case of Latinos moving to America.


That's a personal problem because your "reasons" aren't rooted in facts.

Really?

wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50441

freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1738432/posts

The resulting GAO report, published in April 2005, revealed that illegal aliens make up 27% of the prison population. (The oft-cited figure of 12 million illegal aliens in the country means that they make up just 4% of the general population.)

Since illegal aliens are unlikely to be committing white-collar crimes, that figure likely underestimates the amount of violent crime committed by illegal aliens. Using the GAO report, Representative Steve King of Iowa points out that 25 Americans, on average, are killed by illegal aliens every day (about evenly split between motor vehicle accidents and outright murder).

Do the math: That works out to more than 9,000 deaths per year, or more than 36,000 deaths over the past four years. That's more than ten times the number of Americans killed in Iraq over the past four years

I guess u have never lived near a Barrio essay! =)

prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/270707Statistics.htm

My personal reasons are rooted in facts here r ur facts! My mother used to work in a hospital as a staff nurse before she moved up in the union. She saw illegals run up hospital bills in excess of 100,000$!!! Who pays those? The american tax payer! My father has lobbyied for CCPOA union!!!! Guess who CCPOA is partnered with??????? LA RAZA! The mexican lobby group! It makes sense that they collaborate because more illegals=more crime and more crime=more prisons more prisons=more corrections officers paying union dues!!!

Dude u have no idea wat u r talking about! My dad is one of those pricks on top who knows wat is going on! The middle class doesn't benefit from illegals! IT's only the elites. Well at least the majority of middle class doesn't! Don't tell me some do because there is always some! There r some people who don't die of being shot in the head 7 times 2!

You have?

I live in one of the most ethnically diverse areas of Los Angeles. A few blocks from Compton a few blocks from the barrio. I see everyday the positive element that immigrants bring to this country and to themselves. I strongly support immigrant business (evenly with American businesses). If I don't know what I'm talking about I'm not sure how.

I am struggling to understand your argument. You said that illegals throw all their money back to Mexico and that is patenly false. That's what I said wasn't true. Over 20 billion dollars came into America in the last 8 years because of illegal immigrants. I agree with you that the illegal situation is a burden on the health care system but that isn't what you were talking about above. Illegals (who pay taxes, by the way, the same taxes that go to that health care system) pose no threat to you, I can assure you. If I'm wrong, please tell me, specifically, what you, RockyMason, has had to give up, or sacrifice because of the immigrant "problem." America makes nearly 200 billion dollars a year from immigrants, illegal or otherwise. And in a generation these people are fully contributing American citizens (withen 10 years 3/4s of immigrants, illegal or otherwise speak English fluently). If the demonstrations yesterday in downtown LA taught us nothing, it is that immigrants are a giant group, a group that is making money for America.

As we've gotten off topic, I'll say that while I know less about the Polish immigration to England, in what I've read and researched it reminds me socially a lot of the backlash against Mexican and Latino immigrants in the States. Obviously, the geopolitical landscape is different across the pond but if the similarities are there, its a bunch of brouhaha over nothing.

Starch?! You must not have had a lot of mex food. There's tons of corn starch in it. And, plenty of fresh "flavoursom ingredients" in PL food...

U never saw the NBC special about the illegal shantytown camps in san diego! they live in shacks! 20 billion? Without filing income tax returns that doesn't do alot for our country!

cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

Wow they made 20 billion but cost us 26 billion.........

10news.com/news/9620142/detail.html

So wat if they become legal? WE cannot afford the things we pay for now and we r supposed to support them if they come here? How can we support all of these people?

Don't throw legal immigrants into the category of illegals! They r completely different now ur the one who is off topic! The illegals take much more than they give!


Ad hominem and hasty generalization much? Just because I haven't had to give up anything it doesnt mean others haven't. I could not give up a thing and every1 else would b going bankrupt! That is a very weak argument. I never said "upper upper class elite" was affected by the immigration problem so i don't kno y u even had to ask this question. My dad if anything would make $ off illegal immigration! The middle class however loses tons of jobs because of illegals! My friends dad's landscaping business went bankrupt because they couldn't compete with a competitor who used illegal labor! He paid his illegals 10 buxx an hour while my friends dad paid his 20hr plus benefits!

Oh me personally? Actually there is one thing I have given up.... the ability to feel safe! I can't walk down the street or drive my car in some places because of MS13 and 18th street! I have to worry about my tiny lil 5'1'' sister getting raped and harassed by these animals! There is a link between undocumented immigration and crime and u know it! Go walk into a barrio at night dude!!! Wat part of LA do u live in?

GIVE ME FACTS
GIVE ME SOURCES
THEY SHOULD B CREDIBLE! U ARE MAKING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS!

You don't HAVE to give up you're ability to feel safe. You choose to distrust people. You choose to call people animals. You choose to be blind to the facts. We can trade statistics, but everybody knows that numbers can be twisted to fit one's needs. For example; you say that illegals pushed your friends Dad out of business when it was the competitor who cheated not the illegals. Plus immigrant don't take away as many jobs as they create. brookings.edu/topics/immigration.aspx We can trade links on either side but that's not going to convince anybody of anything. I don't care if we agree on the immigration issue, it's clear that we don't. But you ask for credibility while you call human beings animals. You say I make unsubstantiated claims and yet I have not treated anyone as if they were guilty until proven innocent. You ask for what part of LA I live in when I've already told you. I don't want to change your mind because I'm clearly not going to. But you say these things and you don't ask why. You look at these things (the link between crime and undocumented immigration) and you don't think about reasons. You watch things on TV and don't question them. Use your brain, push for answers, open your mind.

UR source doesn't back up any of your claims are u high? I don't distrust easily dude! I distrust now because some illegals jacked up my car with screwdrivers when I wouldn't pay them for washing my windshield! They just ran up to me at a damn stoplight! I had had my car washed the day before! I don't give out $ just because!

I also had to kick some illegals ass because he touched my sisters ass! He's lucky he didn't do worse or his ass would have disappeared! Some of these illegals especially the ones who join gangs are animals! i don't consider MS members to be human! ;) I know people!

You certainly would be the expert on that. I'd suggest looking a little closer.

I did how I have looked up and down that page! there is nothing to back up ur claims! please direct me to where u got that info?

withen 10 years 3/4s of immigrants, illegal or otherwise speak English fluently).

like this one? Keep in mind we r talking about illegals!

That's between you and those individuals. I was ripped off by a white mechanic it doesn't mean that whites are greedy and dishonest.

Here, I found another link that might illuminate a little better for you if you want to play that game. americanapparel.net/presscenter/articles/20030601immigration.html

That site doesn't even touch on illegal immigrant crime!

MYTH #1 - Immigrants don't pay taxes
FACT - All immigrants pay taxes, whether income, property, sales, or other. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Even undocumented immigrants pay income taxes, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.

SOURCE - National Academy of Sciences, Cato Institute, Urban Institute, Social Security Administration
=D illegals don't file income tax returns how the hell do they contribute to social security?

MYTH #2 - Immigrants come here to take welfare*
FACT - Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members. Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S., unless the "study" was undertaken by an anti-immigrant group. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.

SOURCE - American Immigration Lawyers Association, Urban Institute
* Due to welfare reform, legal immigrants are severely restricted from accessing public benefits, and undocumented immigrants are even further precluded from anything other than emergency services. Anti-immigrant groups skew these figures by including programs used by U.S. citizen children of immigrants in their definition of immigrant welfare use, among other tactics.

Nothing about illegal immigration just legal! Ur off topic.............

That source isn't that credible either!

Actually the topic was and is "Anti-Polish sentiment of ENGLAND." You brought up Mexico. As I've said before, you and I disagree. I'd just as soon do this gracefully but that appears impossible.

U and I disagree because you are ignorant of facts! Illegals do absolutely nothing good for us! They r parasites not people!

Yeah.. but you won't be separated from your toilet.

HI , seems the conversation takes a new turn back on track with us brits and polish people as it sounds like the topic is going off topic .....

Im british and have lived here all my life wish i could say i was proud to be british but i cant , I have lived in London all my life and watched this country change and it,s city' London has never been a nice place and britsh people are not what u see on TV , we all dont wear bowler hats and drink pims .Since i have been a child i have grown up with black white asian all immigrants' i live in a city that is filled with many cultures and has been for generations , im one of many who has grown up in a multiracial community and i dont have a problem with people trying to start a new life within the city or in the UK . What u fail to see is people just looking for a future better life , what they dont see is what i see .

Wealthy getting wealthy buy paying minimum wages and keeping the working class working and in it,s place , in the last 10 years many have come here looking for a better way of life only to find it,s not a mary poppins film it,s a real dump and there are many rude people here and many angry people , i dont think there is a lot of anger towards polish people i belive that we as brits are just a little shocked that despite there being manny poor in the uk we dont deal with the poor and help the needy are goverment has hardly injected a penny into developing the poor communtiys that lie in the pockets of England , Instead they over populate and keep building within the uk to house poor working class people , How anyone would wish to live here is beyond me , Im leaving the Uk to become an immigrant myself

im leaving because the Uk is not a nice place to bring up your children or even live it,s dirty exspensive and there are a lot of angry people here who blame people who are trying to just build a new life instead of looking at the goverment and the big picture stand back and look it,s a dump .

Being honest with u i cant wait to migrate to Poland , im getting married this year to a lovely quiet polish girl in poland i will be living just outside krakov , Nice and clean and nice and quiet and pleasant i will become a immigrant myself for anyone who is polish and thinks that all brits dislike poles then i wish to apolagise for are manners some of us are rude agressive football mad beer drinking idiots ' (fact ) Im glad to say im not one of them my own countrymen make me ashamed to be british sometimes , came back recently from Krakov and hade to share the plane with a 30 strong drunk bunch of brits on a plane ,was disgusted in there behaviour , just so u understand im leaving the uk for a better quality of life same reason polish people come here for but if i was polish i wouldnt bother it,s a dump .

I never thought England was all tea and crumpets but I didn't think it was that bad either. Sorry to hear it. Well if I could pick a city to live in Poland it would be Krakov.

In my previous post I grossly exaggerated when writing about the English people's attitude towards us Poles. I wrote the bitter remark out of the sense of frustration at some of the expressions of Polonophobia in England. It's easy to grossly exaggerate in such a mind-frame. I've been feeling bad about my comment ever since, but not had the time to drop in and straighten it up. In spite of the heavy brainwashing of the English people by the press psychopaths against us, Poles, there are still many English people with a fair friendly attitude towards us. These people haven't allowed themselves to be set aganst us; their perception has remained unaffected by the hate propaganda. And this is admirable. I apologise to all the English friends of Poland in this forum (e.g. Osiol, Daisy) for my previous remark (the one about the historical injustice, etc. nonsense). I still say that both the Irish and English are the best most decent peoples I've ever met. Cheers. :)

Afraid it,s not tea and crumpets nor is it time for pims :) Those days are long gone
im a native and have lived in London all my life but not all of us English have a negative attitude towards immigrants who come here to start a new life ,those that do have a grudge are a small minority and u find good and bad in every race .

- Wayman, contrary to the lies by the press psychopaths, we Polish folks aren't 'immigrants,' only temporary workers in UK. The Gerries call such folks 'Gastarbeiters,' which means simply: guest workers. Cheers.

Thanks for the info 'Gastarbeiters' something new i have learnt no offence ment

For no good reason, there is a certain amount of anti-Polish sentiment, both in the UK as well as the US. We have the long standing problem of Polish jokes. Not jokes from Poland, but about Poles which generally are degrading.

I favor legal immigration. As a US citizen, however, I feel US government has failed miserably in its duty to protect our Southern border. Probably 2/3 rds of the yard and lawn work in this area is done by Mexicans. Fifteen years ago, it was done by American teenagers and college students. Those teenagers are still looking for jobs. There's a lot of anger by US carpenters, tile workers, painters, roofers, etc. who see wages being under cut and jobs not available.

I'm sure many UK workers feel the same way about jobs not being available and seeing wages being under cut. The big difference, however, the immigrants or guest workers in the UK are legally there, and generally paying proper taxes.

- Isn't it an incorrect term? Shouldn't they rather be called Jewish 'jokes' about Poles? The leading author of this ultraracist crap is Jewish 'comic' (mentioned fondly by a fellow Jew, Woody Allen) by the name (pseudonym?) of Larry Wilde. This psychopath has made millions of bucks from sales of this hate propaganda. By the way, who cares what Americans talk and think about us? It pertains to us as much as stuff from Mars. In Europe there's no such racism against us as there is in US and Canada, because Europeans, including the Russians, are completely different people than Americans. The Jewish 'jokes' about Poles are extremely scatological, dehumanising and sickening, and those who enjoy them must have a psychopathic frame of mind. Are those who fabricate such sick stuff nice peace-loving people? Something for those who shed tears over 'Schindfler's List' to think about.

Jeez.. this is the thread that will never die..


Well.. if they did start them then yes they should be ashamed. Trust me , there's a hell of a lot of jokes about Jews too. Hey, I'm US raised German / Slovak ( I know, weird mix) you think I don't get jokes? Lol. Anyway, I know about Poland's Nobel Prize winners, famous universities, etc.

Polish jokes are on the wane; you heard them in the 70's , 80's not really any more. Like so many generalizations, they were stupid. Look .. Poles, to a degree, control a large part of Chicago, a pretty powerful US city.

For a thread about the UK, talk about jokes about Poles seems largely irrelevant. There would be two kinds of Polish joke here. One is word-play on the word Pole, and is usually innocent enough. The other kind I imagine may exist (I certainly haven't heard any) would be from small minded people, the like of which you occasionally see on PF, who seek to dehumanise anyone who is not white and British - the kind of joke where any national, ethnic or racial name can be used and it's just as unfunny no matter who is supposed to be the brunt of it.

If you study history in the US, you're bound to come across a Mr. Nicolaus Copernicus, who was Polish, no? This kind of refuted dumb Polish jokes for me. I don't hate the British but they once ruled the world.. and they miss that dearly. They miss thatg like you would miss your legs if they were gone. They will never admit you as their equals, it's beyond their comprehension.