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University in Poland is too easy


mauro 9 | 43  
13 Oct 2008 /  #1
hello

I'm studying in Wroclaw a master...and cause I was already in Poland 2 years ago now I almost got the certainty...University in Poland is sooo easy !! isn't it ?

I'm not sure of that...but I have met so many poles who are studying in 2 different faculty at the same time...and something like that should be almost impossible..but they do it with no problems.

Moreover in my master, and in others I have seen we don't have to study for exams..we just have a presentation to do before the end of the course.

My master is taught in English...but anyway there are normal poles in it...and I think compareted with the studies in my country (Italy), this is really easy.

Your opinion ?
p.s. I haven't say that's method is less effective than our in Italy.
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Oct 2008 /  #2
Some remarks:
1.University in Italy does not have numerus clausus in admissions unlike Poland,so it is not competitive to enter unlike Poland where there are relatively difficult entrance exams.

2.Unfortunately the difficulty of the exams in university does not reflcet on the value of its degree.For example english universities rank high although their exams are easy.

Why this happens,well...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
13 Oct 2008 /  #3
I don't really know but I get that impression. The pass marks can be ridiculously high tho.

In my first Uni, the mark for a 1st-class pass was 70%. Not having told Poles that, they laughed when I told them I often scored between 65 and 75%. The pass mark here in my teaching school is 75%. What a joke!

It's pressure like that that encourages cheating.
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Oct 2008 /  #4
In greek university there is the same,heavy cramming and cheating.There are students who can memorize books by heart in 20 days.Others rely on cheating because exams are too difficult.

Greeks who get rejected by exams to enter greek university study in England and get high grades.
Greeks who get transfered from UK to greek university have problems passing exams.They get rejected repeatedly since they are not used to this level of difficulty.However greek universities rank low.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
13 Oct 2008 /  #5
It's not so easy in Scotland. OK, u can seek out help for essays but the exams were mighty tough. The prettiest girls in the course often wanted to see my notes. Putting in the effort has its rewards.
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Oct 2008 /  #6
Yes,in countries like UK,USA there is diversity.Very high ranking universities with very difficult exams and selectivity in admission to bottom class universities with very easy exams and no selectivity in admission.

In continental Europe like Germany,Italy etc this does not happen.Every university is considered the same and no matter the value of the degree it is difficult to get it.

In France Grand' Ecoles are very selective and of course the exams there are very difficult.Because if the students are good which is guaranteed by selection,the prof. can raise the difficulty of the exam.If the students have not been selected,he cannot do this,otherwise the percentage of failure will be extraordinarily high.
OP mauro 9 | 43  
13 Oct 2008 /  #7
well...here in Poland it's also totally different the method...we should usually have to participate and talk all the time during the class..we have sometimes homeworks.

In Italy mostly if u are there, if u aren't...doesn't matter...U will study your 3 books for and if u have done well the exam u pass it...if not u will try again...but it's your business..here it's more like in the high school.
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Oct 2008 /  #8
In Italy mostly if u are there, if u aren't...doesn't matter...U will study your 3 books for and if u have done well the exam u pass it...

Same in all mediterranean countries.Better go for coffee instead of attending lectures.
OP mauro 9 | 43  
13 Oct 2008 /  #9
mauro:

In Italy mostly if u are there, if u aren't...doesn't matter...U will study your 3 books for and if u have done well the exam u pass it...

Same in all mediterranean countries.Better go for coffee instead of attending lectures.

yes..but actually I like this system..I think it's more...don't know...mature
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Oct 2008 /  #10
Yes,freedom of choice.But other students need supervision.Anyway,in countries like UK,USA you also have to attend lectures.In Germany,mediteranean countries does not matter much but the prof. is free to ask you whatever he wants even the most demanding detail,even out of the book.
BB630  
13 Oct 2008 /  #11
It's a complicated dance between university systems from different areas. Polish Universities promote a final exam cram-session mentality which leads to a lot of knowledge which is not retained. On the other hand, the exams, material and demands are more rigorous and promote better work habits. In the end, the Polish individuals I know come over with MSc level degrees and are very adept at what they do in relation to individuals from many other areas. The only similar students I have met come from China/Japan. When you move over into the liberal arts fields, however, things become easier and doubling up is possible. The scientific programs at places like PUW are excellent but in the end like any university system you can exploit the system for some cheap degrees. Beware the American with a construction management or business BA.

The American university system is very broad. We have many top-notch universities with rigorous acceptance standards for undergraduate and graduate programs. We also have many high end universities with lower level undergraduate programs that have rigorous graduate programs. On the other end we have low level colleges, universities and technical schools which have low acceptance standards across the board. If you look at a degree, both the institution and the field tell you the level of worth. This can be misleading when Americans attempt to find employment outside of the US.

Italian systems have their differences but I am sure there are ways to squeak through by handpicking your major/field. Greek as well. French fields require a few months of vacation in their internship programs just to graduate, but they have their strengths and flaws.

Trying to determine differences between universities is pointless. In the end, only the top rated institutions in the world need really worry about their product.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Oct 2008 /  #12
The American university system is very broad. We have many top-notch universities with rigorous acceptance standards for undergraduate and graduate programs.

I lost faith in the rigour of the top notch American university. How rigorous can they be if this thing has degrees from them:
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Oct 2008 /  #13
Also, top-notch with regards to payments made, not necessarily to the standard of education given out. America has some amazingly smart people, not necessarily products of the American university elite (Princeton, Harvard, MIT etc), sometimes not even products of universities at all.

Bill Gates being one example of a guy who had a dream and built it up steadily. He's no doctorate student or academic, he just has a feel for business. My, what an understatement!!
OP mauro 9 | 43  
14 Oct 2008 /  #14
I have spoken this morning with one my polish friend...she told me, as I have thought, that here in Poland everybody pass with no problems the exams...they don't have event the idea about the meaning of "leave the university because too difficult".

She told me with a master u can do anything more than get a shity job in tesco or something like that...
In Italy I know people they left university cause they tried almost 10 times to give an exam and they didn't manage to pass it...too much to study.

anyway this morning I felt humiliated to be in my lesson and draw the phisical map of Poland during the lesson. yes..we must draw maps with lakes, rivers and so on.

What I'm gonna learn of it ? and I'm in the same course with some people from out EU who paied 4500 euro for this course.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Oct 2008 /  #15
What I'm gonna learn of it ? and I'm in the same course with some people from out EU who paied 4500 euro for this course.

what's the course name?
OP mauro 9 | 43  
14 Oct 2008 /  #16
master of tourism...university of wroclaw : international.uni.wroc.pl/en/study-english/programs-english/master-programs

for me will be nice anyway...I'll have a degree in english and I'll study Polish..for the future in Italy it will worth...but for poles I don't know what they are gonna do after that
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Oct 2008 /  #17
master of tourism...university of wroclaw

I think drawing lakes is OK then. What else would you like to draw? Perhaps the moon, but it's in senior years.

.I'll have a degree in english and I'll study Polish..for the future in Italy it will worth

OK, now I have a better idea about education in Italy.
In Poland I would not be accepted into English Department with the level of English you are displaying AFTER receiving a degree.
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
14 Oct 2008 /  #18
In Poland I would not be accepted into English Department with the level of English you are displaying AFTER receiving a degree.

Don't be mean, Mauro meant he would have a master degree in tourism from a Polish university, where the courses are in English, and besides he'd learn Polish.

And he's been accepted by the Wrocław university, so this either means the level of English at these courses (master in tourism in Wrocław) is low or Mauro's command of English isn't that bad as you think.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Oct 2008 /  #19
Don't be mean

sorry, I can't help it.
OP mauro 9 | 43  
14 Oct 2008 /  #20
OK, now I have a better idea about education in Italy.
In Poland I would not be accepted into English Department with the level of English you are displaying AFTER receiving a degree.

I have been accepted in Poland, anyway my english now is not the point...and I was ...I wanted just to hear your opinions...
I just meant that I was drawing lakes when I was 9....in tourism we should talk about management, marketing and staff like that.
I just want to learn more about Poland...not attacking anyone...besides I live in wroclaw and I like it !!
whyikit 6 | 102  
14 Oct 2008 /  #21
I think the other thing you always have to remember with Uni is what course you are doing, this is from a UK perspective is it the same across europe?

For instance I studied Chemistry with Biochemistry, had on average 5.5 hours of lectures/lab work and tutorials a day. On top of this you had to prepare for tutorials and write up lab work. To pass you must pass all tutorials, lab work and about 5 exams 3 times a year. Compare this to some other courses where you are lucky if they have 2 hours on average a day of lectures. Although these course expect a lot of additional study. To pass project work and exams can not remember how many.

So it really depends on the course, and uni to decide how hard and "good" your degree is.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
14 Oct 2008 /  #22
I just meant that I was drawing lakes when I was 9....in tourism we should talk about management, marketing and staff like that.
I just want to learn more about Poland...not attacking anyone...besides I live in wroclaw and I like it !!

OK mauro, I apologize for my lighthearted remarks.

Here's what I think.

In order manage whatever it is that you want manage you need to understand the nature of it on all level. I'll give you an example.

I work as an IT fella. Normally I just click through the day (having checked all the servers, issues etc). I also have to develop some software for various departments. Right now I completed an asset management proggie that will make it easier and faster to log anything to do with the municipal infrastructure (roads, drains, road signs etc) by use of electronic mapping, GPS and sshit.

I can't write a proggie about things I have little idea about so I requested a truck (red one, with flashing lights an' all) and a few days on the road with public roads people. I put on steel toe boots, hard hat and I had to learn as much as possible of what is relevant to what I was expected to do. The world seen from an office looks different than the world seen from a truck or a bottom of a ditch.

My next project is cemetery management. Yes, I will go to funerals, follow the whole process from when a death certificate is issued to when a person is interred. Perhaps they'll let me dig a grave or push a button of the cremation furnace. Hopefully, I won;t have to be inside the cremation chamber at the time.

Again, I need to know the entire process on all levels if I want to be able to help them.

I worked for a department of state, a hydraulics company, a galvanizing plant, child and family services, hospitality industry, to name a few. Each time I had to learn the specific industry from ground up. And very fast at that.

I dunno any specifics of tourism studies, so again, I'd have live it for a few days to tell you what's gonna happen and what the use of drawing lakes is for your profession.

When you expect to deal with marketting and management then you need to study business and administration, and then possibly specialize in tourism.

At times I had doubts as to why certain topic were taught but as time went by I was able to appreciate the wisdom of those who came up with the curriculum. I guess jumping to conclusions might be a little early in the game.

What is the course name where they ask you to draw all those lakes?

I can't say how hard or how basic your curriculum will be in Poland, but in my experience, Polish universities were more demanding than those in the US and Canada. Your mileage may certainly vary.
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Oct 2008 /  #23
I just meant that I was drawing lakes when I was 9....in tourism we should talk about management, marketing and staff like that.

The value of your degree is the same no matter if you draw lakes or get taught about management.What your degree is worth depends on the proportion of rich kids attending the course.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
14 Oct 2008 /  #24
University in Poland is sooo easy !!

In Gdansk we have the Higher School of Tourism and Hotel Industry (so called 'Hollywood') and University of Technology pretty close to each other. When you compare how girls look like in these two places then you will know where they have enough time. So, from your perspective studies in Poland might look easy indeed.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
14 Oct 2008 /  #25

Don't you understan that It's easy because you pay them fortune ? Why would they bite a hand, which feeds them ?
Wyspianska  
14 Oct 2008 /  #26
Mauro stop acting an 'oh I'm so clever. I study here 14 days' cus it's literally making me sick. Your English is worse than mine which already shows how good your school in Italy was. Anyway, you don't like Polish university then back off. No one really invited. Nothing special in what you have said, just another rich foreigner who paid lot of money for his acceptation at University so he's in being treated like a prince. Something like Asians I have met here in Camb.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
14 Oct 2008 /  #27
Some people are just gay...
OP mauro 9 | 43  
14 Oct 2008 /  #28
OK mauro, I apologize for my lighthearted remarks.

Here's what I think.

thanks for answering !!
the course is this :
international.uni.wroc.pl/en/course/introduction-spatial-economy

should be one of the most difficult.

When you expect to deal with marketing and management then you need to study business and administration, and then possibly specialize in tourism.

you all right...but that's a master..it should be taught after 3 years of studies of bachelor degree...anyway I meant marketing of tourism and management of tourism...that's the subjects we have in Italy.

The value of your degree is the same no matter if you draw lakes or get taught about management.What your degree is worth depends on the proportion of rich kids attending the course.

that's so true...really !!

Don't you understand that It's easy because you pay them fortune ? Why would they bite a hand, which feeds them ?

well...the studies in Poland for poles and people of EU are for free...so mostly of the people are studying here don't pay anything...and me neither.

Secondly I know so many poles who are studying in different faculties at the same times, not paying anything, and getting good marks in all these faculties.

third : I have never met one Pole who left university cause he didn't manage to pass exams....in Italy that's a high percentage.

still...I'm not against one or the other system...just looking for your opinions-
thanks

Wyspianska:

I haven't payed even one euro, I'm in a double cause the single was too expensive and I go shopping to biedronka...if u believe it or not!

I just like sharing opinions.
southern 75 | 7,096  
14 Oct 2008 /  #29
I have never met one Pole who left university cause he didn't manage to pass exams....in Italy that's a high percentage.

Yes,but in Italy there is no selectivity in admission.Everyone passes to the university even the ones not academically fit to study.In Poland there are entrance exams.

Greeks who are rejected admission to greek university because they fail exams study in Italy and get degrees.
Italian universities are not considered to be high class because they lack practice opportunities.I think only two italian universities make it into the top 400 in the world.(there is also one polish in position 380 I think).
OP mauro 9 | 43  
14 Oct 2008 /  #30
all right ! I'm agree....just one remark...in Italy we have university with and without selectivity...it depends...the one I've done was with it...only 150 pass trought the entrance test. but yes, many of them are without.

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