University in Poland is too easy

This is very important term.do you think anyone fails during Grand' Ecoles studies which are highly selective?Do you think any student of Harvard or Ivy League universities gets droped out?Of course not,because all of them have been carefully selected.They are top academically.

I'm not surprised you think university is easy. This program is a joke.


Engineering is similar.

it could be...but as I have written before I know many other poles who study in different fields and they are more or less in the same situation. Anyway, so do u know this program ?

In my opinion it is good idea to study tourism in Poland.You will learn polish.After some years when polish economy improves,lots of polish tourists will come to Italy and you will have competitive advantage.

You can also bring some hot polish girls to work in touristic business in Italy and create some more attractions than the ones you already have.

that's for sure ! it's one of the reasons I'm here.

I actually know people who left uni because they couldn't pass the exams. This usually happens after the first year, even on the faculties, in which students are carefully selected (now, they're are selected basing on Maturas). In my first year, there were about 120 people, now, we've got around 100.

But I wouldn't say studying is hard.

This happens because young people are driven to achieve a higher education. They are often unsuitable and shouldn't be there. Also, I think you mean they were kicked out, rather than left.

It also happens because students have no real idea as to what they are going to study. Only in Poland do students, after the matura, say I don't know what I'm going to study.

Most young people in Wroclaw already know that they will go to the university here, and they are clueless as to the courses available elsewhere.

Careers lessons at school might help young people to decide wisely and stop them wasting my tax zlotys.

Not exactly. Some of them were kicked out, some decided not re-take their exams because they thought it would be too hard to go on studying, anyway.

Wroclaw, how it looks in UK ? who actually study? only upper and middle class know what their future will be and where they are going ( study they've choose )? We have completely different social structure in Poland and unfortantely our ( Polish ) way is too similar to the soviet way of getting knowledge. I think this is changing but... slowly

In these days I have met somo poles and they told me actually my uni is easy cause is in english...they said usually english masters are easier, but if u study in polish it's getting harder.

But still I have met again many poles who are studying 2-3 bachelor/master in the same time...that's sooo weird for me.

Many Polish students who I know did not have to work during studies, parents pay the bills. Of course not all have that option but it seems to be rather common. They also seem to have very little studying to do outside of the lectures until few days before exams when you memorize everything.

There's not much of an academic tradition here. I translated a final year Masters essay title the other day and it was along the lines of "The HR tools used in modern businesses". Evaluation? Discussion? Analysis? Who knows? Who cares? The writer didn't and I get the impression the tutor didn't either.

Nah, goes back only to the mid 14th century.


Essay and thesis are two very different beasts. A piece of work like that can have an actual postulate or two, or it can be simply a descriptions of current state of affairs in a given field or a fragment of the field of expertise. This alone does not indicate the ability, or lack of academic tradition.

In some schools a graduate thesis is also only an option. You may get Masters without having one thought of your own - simply pass a few exams. For instance North American Masters of Library and Information Science. It all varies from subject to subject and from school to school.


Not sure how things look there now, but I can't imagine being able to work and study at the same time. The workload was simply too high. I pulled that trick in Canada though.

The main difference I see between what I experienced in North America and Poland was that in Poland they offered education and science. North American undergrad and grad schools are often concentrated on credentialing. The difference may sound subtle but really it is very profound.

Can you please explain what is the difference since I have not studied in NA.

In simple terms, in North America it is mostly task oriented and industry driven. Think of it as preparation for a job, rather than preparation for independent thought based on well founded reasons. That leads people to follow so called professional dogmas, rules, tricks and prescribed solutions. These rules are often followed without any kind of analysis or second look. The manual says so so this is how it is.

An example of that is urban planning, development and analysis of it all.

When people in Chicago died from heat exposure about 80 so called specialists concluded that those deceased were the culprits since they did not leave homes when advised. It took one independently thinking guy who went beyond the obvious (people did not leave homes) and analyzed why they did not follow the advisory, while people withing exactly the same age group, financial background etc. did (and survived).

A title is only that. You should have looked into the Introduction to see what the author was planning to discuss, what methodology (and why) they were employing, etc.

My thesis was entitled "The Symbolism of the Rose in Middle English Literature". That was the title. But I had to sit down and really work hard to explain what a symbol was to the medievals (as opposed to allegory, for example), write a chapter on St Augustine's theory of signs, explain my method, set out the research tools I was going to use (and explain why those, and not others) etc. etc. If you think it was easy because the title did not contain all this information, you are very much mistaken.

I have spoken.

Exactly my sentiment. University here serves little purpose other than to prepare the middle classes for a life of servitude to industrialists or husbands.


Nevertheless, the title in an ACADEMIC essay should reflect that.


ha ha ha! Priceless! Yes, I've seen a few titles like this too - the aim is usually nothing more than to fill 90 pages or whatever with writing.

In other words, studying medieval literature is for idiots only, huh? I'm proud to be an idiot then.

Where did you get that from? MLA has no hard rules about that.
The main thesis should be contained in the introduction.


That is a pretty ignorant comment to make and it shows right there that you know best what's worth an academic effort and what's not.

A weird comment from someone who merely repeats people's words in a different language, which in essence what you do when you translate?

Well I have lectured and studied in both Polish and British Universities. How about you?

I prefer this model than the german model of education.Totally theoretical and you learn the practice on practice without any guidelines.
And having everyone asking you ''why did you do this?'',''why did you do that?'',and you have to explain everything from scratch.

On which universities are theses estimated by the title, not the contents?

And that proves what?


Poland, US and Canada.

My major problem with Polish universities (apart from the fact they claim a Magister is a Master's when it clearly is not) is extra mural studies. The idea that somebody can have a full-time job and still be a full-time student is a joke.

Extramural studies do not automatically imply that someone has a full time job, and the type of studies is not unique to Poland at all. Many UK, US and Canadian universities offer this mode of studies.

In fact, when you really give it a thought, a large part of serious effort in any studies is extramural.

can you clarify please?

University in general in Europe sucks.Simply you can get any degree you want,it is far too easy in some european countries.There are no serious license exams.

Then the value of each degree depends on the relative strength of the country in which it was obtained and the social origin of its holder.

In my opinion there should be european license exams for every professional,but it is impossible to come to this since a lot of countries will disagree.

You also see countries like France for example,Germany or UK openly violating european laws.For example if you get license as a lawyer in an EU country,can you work as a lwayer in France?No.

Can a teacher of an EU country work in Germany?No.

You are going in the wrong direction. Licenses are not necessary, this is not the way. Employers are not interested in such papers, they know very well about quality represented by various universities. So, what is the purpose of licenses?

Protectionism on the job market exist because socialists run this circus. You cannot fight with consequences of socialist policies using socialist solutions. Otherwise expect more pathologies to come...

USA which is extreme capitalist country has very strict license exams.What are you talking about?
The opposite happens.The employers want a guarantee of the quality of the graduate.EU tells them,take the cheapest one,I refuse to place quality filters.

License is a socialist idea of central control. I support universities granting degrees completely independent from any state regulation. There is no reason to think that employers are ignorant people unaware of quality of various universities. This is knowledge available for every university student.

While the US is more capitalistic than Europe, they are clearly moving towards socialism. How capitalistic is affirmation policy towards black students? This is nothing else than socialist nightmare.