Poland Property Boom Spills Over to Poorer Neighbouring Country - GERMANY

you might onto something but comparing those two countries and how they handled post-communism is not really a good thing.

Poland became democratic and FORMER east Germany joined a well developed West Germany, receiving a lot of subsidies, which only slightly smoothed over the former communist way of economy. I also think that East German communist was much more strict than the Polish version of it. Hence, former east has had more problems with adjusting and fitting into an already very advanced German West way of being.

I just think PJ is jealeous and his description about a bleary/dreary/hopeless Eastern Germany is more like wishful thinking by him....to bad...:)

spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,560152,00.html

One swallow doesn't make a spring, neither does a patched up statistic. I work in Finance and i've got far better access to info than the odd websites.

No amount of gloss piled on by self serving politicians could hide the dire reality. The fact that property is now dearer in Szczecin should get u thinking as opposed to literally parroting politicians propaganda.

Ive been to Dresden and Leipzig a few times and the prospects are bleak. Regarding ur extract in german, well its pretty much trivial. If the cities are crap, surely they've got far better chances of growth compared to mature wealthy western cities.

Its a bit like saying a baby has got more chance of doubling his height than a grown up adult. Trivial.

Ive been living in Germany for quite a while and i can count of one hand the number of western Germans I met who've been to either Dresden, Leipzig or Jena. That tells u something.

As for the bakery girls, I agree, I don't know all of them but am sure u got the point.

PJ

"One swallow"???
Are you kidding??? It's about time...
Western Germany wasn't rebuild in the first five years after the war....eastern Germany needed time too...now the motor is running! :)

But mope all you want, who cares! :):):)

expatica.com/de/life_in/feature/economic-promise-emerges-in-eastern-germany-46346.html


Wirtschaftswunder II :)


What should it tell me?

Bavaria/Munich is the most prospering region in Germany but I never once were to Munich and I don't plan to...does this mean Munich sucks???


Well if you describe this jewel of a city, an UNESCO world heritage site, as "bleak" then I can't help you, sorry...nobody can!

Comparing them is actually a good thing cause it tells u how far Poland progressed and how little did Eastern Germany progress. I actually think it went backwards.

I mentioned this anecdote elsewhere on the forum but here goes anyway. In 1989, Ive seen poles coming to Germany with 4 bottles of vodka, they'd sell 3 of them, send the proceeds back to the mrs at home, drink the 4th one, go commit petty crime and spend a couple of months well looked after in a German prison.

The proceeds of selling those 3 bottles of vodka, in the days of the Deutsch Mark, was enough to provide for his family for a while.

Nowadays, right across the boarder, property prices are higher in sczezcin.

I rest my case.

My point is that German politicians screwed up eastern Germany by pumping in subsidies that basically wiped out any economical comparative advantage they might have had. It worked ok for about a decade as it gave eastern Germans the sense of being wealthy. But long term wise, it was reckless and suicidal.

It’s all unraveling now.

PJ

Yeah...now we get your motivation behind your downtalking of East Germany! :)
Thankfully Eastern Germany will do well further without your approval...it will be hart but we will manage...somehow...*snif*

:):):)


You know what people do with unsupported opinions? Yup, they go straight away into the bin!
Say...did you actually read one of the links I provided to show you the contrary is happening? Probably not...just disturbs you image which helps to make you feel better...reality isn't good for your weak self esteem, isn't it?

To bad! :)

PS: I'm glad when the polish/german border region prospers...it's good for all of us.
I don't need a dreary Poland to feel better...but that's just me!

money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100049624/index.htm


He...:)

Bratwurst Boy, you waffle a lot but you show no substance. I wont discuss this issue any further. You are entitled to your opinion.

I reckon u r more suited to the useless tussle of slavic vs german and the pseudo grand geo-strategic discussions with the likes of Konstantin.

You ain't no material for level headed serene discussions.

PJ

Well...show me some links which support YOUR opinion and we can discuss.
But till now you spill only lot's of bitter wishful opinons...THAT's waffling for me!

So sorry if the evidence isn't to your liking...to bad!


LOL...no there isn't...with only me bringing facts and you only spilling personal opinions...that is no discussion, you are right!

Just another one for the go: sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/artikel/330/180773/


PJ...you are just a sore loser! :(

I think that "progress" according to Germans and non-Germans are two different things.


as I said - two different realities. Besides, I am sure that Germans have learnt form their mistakes and the fact the we don't live in an ideal world is something that you seem to dismiss in the discussion. Poland still has many problems which you son;t seem to be aware of. The transition has left a LOT of people out. Go and visit some of the formally owned state farms in the north part of Poland. Those villages have no source of income anymore and their children are probably working in the UK or Ireland and sending their impoverished parents money. I know, because I was born in that region and I have seen the gradual decline.