Reference to you troops Puzzler....try and learn some history....hardly zionist, propaganda..........feel free to post another irrational response puzzler........:)
historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/france/moscow.htm
"Meanwhile Napoleon was pushing on with preparations for war on a colossal scale. By the summer of 1812 he had about 750,000 men under arms, of whom 450,000 were destined for the actual invasion. Only half of them were French, the rest were made up of Poles, Italians, Saxons, Bavarians, Swiss, Austrians, Prussians and Illyrians."
Sorry...GZ....did I leave you out on the last post.....apols.......:)
Poland seemingly harboured (by original invitation to lots of religions) the very people Hitler took offence too.......the jews...and Poland for inviting them in, paid a very, very heavy price........true.....
Germany didn't invade poland because of Jews. they were just scapegoats.
A huge amount of your weakness stemed from the nobility continually undermining the rulers of your country and making Poland seem weak from the outside, easy to prey on....self inflicted....
Actually this whole "szlachta's democracy" remains me of today’s USA and other western democratic countries. What the szlachta did was just what an ordinary modern person wants. To live in peace, have as much privileges and pay as few tax as possible. Just like today’s USA government needs to have the support of it's citizens when it comes for carrying out a war outside of their territory, Polish king in the 17th century also had to do have it. And yes, at the end, in confrontation with it's neighbors this type of governing failed. Maybe today’s democratic countries should learn something from it? Just a thought...
At one time eveyone has been at war with someone or other, its history and as interesting as it is to discuss I dont personally feel that we need to argue over it on a forum. :)
Gz...not here to slag off Poland, just raising issues, I don't know it all, nor does anyone....but isolationism, distrust of foreigners, especially now Poland belongs to the biggest/safest conglomeration of advanced countries that mankind has ever known, must be grasped, not run away from.
Frank, first of all, where did you take all the data from? Can you give specific sources? What is your nationality? Is that what they teach you in your country about Polish history?
So do you assert that Poland first supplied Napoleon with troops, and in revenge Russia and Germany invaded Poland? Do you say it was right that my country was invaded by Russians and Germans?
So you say that Hitler wrecked Poland for her harbouring the Jews?
What do you mean that Poland was 'expansionist'? Give the facts. How could she be expansionist if she was partitioned by the Russian- German expansion? Do you suggest that Poland did some 'wrong' to Germans and Russians? What wrong exactly?
What do you mean by Polish insistence on 'great reparations'? What 'short-term gain'? What 'misjudgement'?
And where did you take it from about our nobility undermining our 'rulers' (we actually had kings)?
What do you mean that the 'last 60 years don't seem like a nightmare'? What are you excusing for?
Re: 'History has and will repeat itself.....' - Do you mean that Russians and Germans will again partition us? And do you also mean that, for example, the English will again inflict the potato famine on the Irish? Oops, sorry, according to your reasoning, I should've said: the Irish will inflict the potato famine on themselves? Is that what you mean, Frankie? :)
Re: 'My argument is factual' - What do you mean by that? You've given some facts, but interpreted them in an extremely Polonophobic manner, haven't you?
Re: 'Yes..........you just want to bury your head in the sand........not a nice place to be....' - That's a metaphor. Can you explain clearly what you mean in this sentence?
Re: 'Wake up and smell the coffee.....' - And what do you exactly mean in this one? :)
Well, Frank, you've actually been slagging off my country, and in an extremely crude manner too. What country are you from? What is your nationality? Do they teach all the $hit in your schools? I wonder how would you feel if i started babbling about your own country in the same manner as you about mine? You're using big negative words, with great impudence too: 'isolationism, distrust of foreigners.' Give examples of our alleged 'isolationism' and 'distrust of foreigners.' Able to do that? :)
What do you mean by 'the original sentiment that Poland doesnt want or need foreigners buying "Polish" land'? And why did you put the word 'Polish' in quotation marks? Do you suggest that Polish land isn't really Polish? Who the devil are you Frank? What country gives life to the likes of you? :)
Just a few quotes from the originator of this post..........has one of your endless questions been answered...if not.....
We dont want foreigners in Poland buying out our homes, go home english GO HOME and leave us alone. And dont tell me I didnt want you, Poles dont want you here bloody capitalists.
Dont be suprised with hostility towards foreigners buying our land . Beware .
Me, Grzegorz and there is all Poland hostile towards bloody foreign capitalists that steal our land.
Better dont buy land in Poland, just friendly warning.
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You have no clue about polish reality.
Ppl will get pissed. In fact ppl are pissed already now........ dont ask me what happens next because pissed crowd is unpredictable , not to mention pissed nation
quote=ola123] PS Whoever wants to stay in Poland and live here I wecome but bloody capitalists that push prices up 2 words for you: **** off. [/quote]
Frank, well, my questions are in reply to the numerous claims you've made. When you made claims expect reactions to them. Got to be responsible for what you say. Don't answer, if you don't want to. Think over what I've signalled. By the way, I think I know what country you're from. And I can tell you we Poles have lots of understanding and empathy towards your country's history. We don't have such an arrogant and insensitive outlook as you've got towards us. I wonder why we are so, and you are the way you are? :)
A few more guys......just trying to understand....Poland........its people, its angst, where its been...perhaps where its going.....
Puzzler...have gotten up posters noses on this topic.......just looking for an insight, so all these posters quoted are correct etc..........all history I have quoted wrong,....none of it happened........head in sand again.....:(
Hm, so some troll's scribbling you Frankie take for an expression of an allegedly prevalent Polish attitude? Think Frank! :) And learn some more about the Polish history. Read Norman Davies' 'God's Playground,' 'A Heart of Europe,' 'Europe,' 'Rising 44.' And don't scribble till you know for sure. :)
Was looking this up and found that he was referred to as a "Polonophile". CAn anyone tell me exactly what this would mean? Does this comment suggest that he's biased?
Did I do any name-calling in our exchange, Frank? Give the names. :) Ah, so facts speak for themselves? Which facts? Are you sure you've given all of them? Or just a few conveniently chosen (and interpreted) ones? Ah, so questions don't speak for themselves? They surely don't; it's you who ought to. Are you able to? :)
Fiszek, I have. It's one who likes things Polish. Do those who call Davies 'Polonophile' suggest that his view of Polish history is positively prejudiced? Do they give any facts to back the claim? :)
Do those who call Davies 'Polonophile' suggest that his view of Polish history is positively prejudiced? Do they give any facts to back the claim?
Honestly, I don't know; However, I am interested in reading some of his material and look into why his colleagues call him this. So far I didn't see any facts though.
