Is The Warsaw Voice in British or American English?

Like the title says

Thank you

As a British English proofreader, I would say after taking a quick look that it is in British English, although you will get some American English creeping in from time to time. It depends on the author, and how they set their MS word language settings up before they write it.

I work for a translation agency and many of the translators will translate in American English and we as proofreaders have to convert it to British English because that is the policy of the translation agency.

thanks ukpolska:)

I have seen and read a bit of the Warsaw Voice as they used to give it away free on airlines leaving Warsaw. I found it a poor newspaper and not at all interesting, rather like a Polish version of The Sun!

Guess you should look again Michal and check info before you post, as you must be mixing it up with something else, as this is more of a Business orientated paper. warsawvoice.pl

"It doesn't take much to check info before you post"

I don`t know for version of English language but, ...

Warshaw voice was one of first Polish online media which got my attention (i geting free update of Warshaw voice online).

This media was one of first in Poland (maybe even first) which tried to understand real reasons of tragic Balkan situation, seeking for generators of crisis on Balkan but also outside of Balkan (in interests of great powers).

I think that Warshaw voice didn`t accept to be just distributor of already `prepared` bad news about Serbs (that Serbs are exclusively bad guys). Jurnalists of this newspaper, I see as real jurnalists

Thanks Warshaw voice, thanks Polish democracy

When the hell am I in Poland? I have seen the newspaper on many occasions, especially on planes as that is where they are always giving the thing away. A bit of this and a bit of that, not my 'cup of tea' at all. Why does a country like Poland where they speak no English spend so much money producing a newspaper in English anyway? Who reads it?


I think its more likely to be American money rather than British democracy at work here.

Who told you it costs Poland aything? The Warsaw Voice takes in approx. $2,000,000 in circulation income alone. And the there is advertising income.


This is from their site:

Readers:
- foreign and Polish businesspeople
- self-employed professionals
- diplomats
- researchers
- representatives of the foreign media
- teachers and students
- business travelers
- investors
- participants of fairs and conferences
- tourists
- representatives of foreign governments

General profile of distribution:
- The Warsaw Voice subscribers in Poland and abroad (64 countries)
- management of Western companies in Poland
- diplomatic institutions and business establishments in Poland
- top Polish companies and banks
- foreign entrepreneurs and bank managers interested in Poland
- embassies of foreign countries in Poland
- international organizations and institutions including the U.S. Congress, the European Parliament, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the OECD
- NATO headquarters and offices in Europe
- European Union directorates and other institutions based in Brussels and other European countries

I have never in my life seen this newspaper anywhere but British Airways or lot flight planes leaving Warsaw. Who in England reads rubbish like the Warsaw Voice outside of Poland?

who in poland reads the daily record?

If you mean the Scottish based newspaper - hopefully no one.

my point exactly!:D:D

It's chip paper at best, pity so many Scottish folk hang on it's every word...

well no we dont, but if your working hard shifts, its good for a laugh:D, chip paper, its the best chip paper ever, do you know that now they are trying to ban using newspaper as chip shop paper....how dare they!!!

but we do. I've often heard opinions I know have come from this rag. But you are right, good for a laugh.


Why? This country! Honestly. It's recycling isn't it? Which is what the government want us to do!

too do with the global warming brigade, if we use newspapers, it cost so much harm to the world....so instead we have to use *************** spelling i know) but ok, recycle paper....or use oil....stupid gits, maybe we should pay tax on that too!

So if we use newspapers to wrap chips we're damaging the planet? But the last time I had chips they were wrapped in a sheet of white paper and then brown, specially produced I would assume. Which hurts more? This country is nuts.

country is fine....the politicians on the other hand...

EDIT yes actually there are so many "do gooders" and that whole "PC" brigade, i knew i had good reason to move to poland!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN POLAND (JEZZZZZZUS!!!)

Errrrm, if you can't check info on the internet then how the hell did you find Polish forums, but wait!!! I guess it is just another of your outdated views on Poland

Have you ever seen "The Lancet"? "Sky News"? "Globe and Mail"?

The fact that you haven't seen some magazine says nothing about the magazine.


That is a very tricky question :)

No, I have not. To be truthful, as I have already said, I have certainly never seen the Warsaw Voice in any shop or library in England, only on planes leaving Warsaw. I am sure that I could subscribe on the internet if I was that interested. In London, in Polish shops you can certainly buy polish colour magazines but never The Warsaw Voice.

So what's your point?

I would like to add my two bobs worth to this discussion...
Every day, I receive the daily news email from the Warsaw Voice with links to their articles (and sometimes articles about Poland from external news sources).

As I live and work in Poland, I find it very useful to keep up to date with what is happening in the country in English, as my still poor Polish means I am otherwise limited to reading headlines in newspapers and hearing from colleagues/friends about what is happening. Admittedly, I have never actually bought the paper. But the daily email is a really useful source of Polish news.

There are serious indications that USA and Britain aren’t democratic and that on the other side Poland tend to be democratic. Even Russia is today more civilized and showing significant high level of democratic manners if compared with USA and other countries of so called West. Poland and Russia, just need to be careful and to avoid brutal `democratic` methods which are proposed for USA, etc. in international relations.

This situation is normal to me considering that i know some things from history. Democracy isn’t invented in USA or in Britain, France, etc. Not even in antic Greece and Rome. First examples of democracies in Europe were developed within ancient Slavic civilization. Polish `Sarmatian schlachta` was echo of those glorious times and achievements.

What a load of rubbish. The Voice claims a circulation of "about 10,500" but that figure is not audited so we don't know how many they actually print. Even if we assume that they are telling the truth, that's 546,000 copies per year. So to make what you claim, they'd need to be charging 12zl per copy wholesale price (which is double the retail price) even if they sold the entire print run. Seeing as they give away far more copies than they sell, they'd need to be charging more than 24zl per copy wholesale to bring in what you claim!

Why not tell us how much the city of Warsaw pays Warsaw Voice to produce The City Voice? And then tell us what happened to the official who signed a contract with a rival company to produce the same product for a fraction of the cost.

why dont you tell us Harry

Although the Warsaw Voice is based in Warsaw, Poland, their American (USA) office is located in Altoona, Pennsylvania, USA. So, this newspaper is more 'American' than English. To be more specific, the ownership is Polish-Jewish, similar to Gazeta Wyborcza. This information is for those of you who wish to see exactly who is in charge of this publication, and is not intended to imply any form of anti-semitism.

In the general opinion of most Poles who have come into contact with this newspaper, the Waraw Voice is generally regarded as extremely anti-Polish Catholic, often containing defamatory and exaggerated remarks by their columnist, Slawomir Majman, a Polish-Jewish businessman living in Warsaw. Here are some more facts. The president of this newspaper is Andrzej Jonas, also a Polish-Jew living in Warsaw.

For the president of the Warsaw Voice to allow the columns written by Mr. Majman to be published and included in the paper's contents suggest that the ownership fully supports his racist views. Below, is an excerpt of an excellent forum posting on "Racist Language and the Polish-Jewish Discourse" reflecting an example of the type of subject matter Mr. Majman has in engaged in: (link: info-poland.buffalo.edu/issues/goska.html)

"Two recent articles are typical in their employment of the lens of racism to discuss Polish or Polish-Jewish issues: Abraham Brumberg's March 2, 2001 "Murder Most Foul" in the London Times Literary Supplement and Slawomir Majman's June 24, 2001 Warsaw Voice article, "Great, Great Indifference." (Note by Ela_Lawyer: This article cannot be found in the Warsaw Voice's archives any longer...I wonder why?)

Mr. Majman's thesis, in his own words: "the Poles retain a feature that makes them dramatically different from other developed nations: a neurotic curiosity as to how the world perceives them . . . The Poles, more than any other nation, worry about the world's opinion of them and that's a fact worth remembering . . . a hang-up exists: the Poles' complex about their image."

Mr. Majman's repeated locution, "The Poles" is a shibboleth -- it's a tip-off that he is using racism as a model for understanding and describing the world. He is not talking about this human being or that human being, who happens to be Polish, who is displaying a universal human trait. He's not reporting sound sociological research that has uncovered an undeniable statistical trend -- the rise of a universally human behavior in a given population under a certain set of circumstances. He's not describing the circumstances under which any human community, of any ethnicity, would become more likely to display a given, universal, human trait -- and thereby contributing to an illumination of the human condition.

He's not using the scientific method, a method that demands that if a point is made about phenomenon A, it be defined in contrast to a control, phenomenon B. No hard scientist, for example, would dare attempt to describe the properties of any element, hydrogen, for example, without comparing hydrogen's mass, structure, etc. to other elements from the periodic table, and adducing evidence to support any such description. In the social sciences, no respectable sociologist would dare to state anything even so apparently simple and uncontroversial as "Appalachia is poor" without adducing charts on income levels in Appalachia compared to income levels in the rest of the United States."

The above sample of what type of literature the Warsaw Voice circulates provides a good reason for any educated individual to avoid it as much as possible. There are many more such examples of Anti-Polish Catholic remarks which were in previous editions of the newspaper. Note: You will not find most of such articles and columns in the online archives any longer. The Warsaw Voice has been very careful to omit such information as not to offend anyone. Nevertheless, they are in their hard copy, print editions for anyone interested in research.

Question: How does any respectable firm like "LOT Polish Airlines", the many hotels and tourist centers in Warsaw and Poland, support and hand out this type of newspaper to individuals for free as advertisements?

^ The article you quote from was written by Danusha V. Goska. The same Danusha V. Goska who wrote of the men who during the 1992 Los Angeles riots attacked Reginald Denny and fractured his skull in 91 places "their action was a protest against white supremacy." Nice to see you quoting such an intellectual giant. Surely you can find something better on jewwatch.com or whatever cesspit you usually dwell in.

While you are quick to point out who is and is not a Jew, you seem rather confused as to whether the Warsaw Voice is anti-Polish or anti-Catholic. Which is it?

The Warsaw Voice subscription prices (numbers based on yearly subscription prices, rounded down to 2 decimal points regardless of mathematical justification to do so):

Delivery in Poland: 28.75zl or $10.41
Delivery in Europe: 20.50 zl or $7.41
Delivery outside Europe: 23.91 zl or $8.50

Average: 24.38 zl or $8.77

(source: vmarketing.pl/home_eng.php?id=10&podgrupa=17)

So Harry... as you said, "wholesale" price is above 24 zl which you claim should be the cost of the magazine to support the $2mil a year claim.

^ That would be a powerful argument if the paper was a monthly magazine. Unfortunately it is actually a weekly newspaper. I know that this is a small point but it is one which has somewhat of an effect on your otherwise accurate calculations.

A subscription in Poland costs 345zl per year. There are 52 weeks in a year. That makes a cost per issue of 6.63zl including postage.

Who would want to spend 6.63zl a week on the Voice is an entirely different matter. I'd happily spend that much every week to avoid reading the Voice....