EU is probably the most successful political and economic organization world wide.
Yes,it combines german management and french bureucracy,some systems proven by time.
Slavic linguistic union inside of EU; Polish language official
Yes,it combines german management and french bureucracy,some systems proven by time.
Who is doing that?
I wish I I could say Luxembourg and San Marino.
But what I mean are three top European economies including Allemania.
Schröder was a real disaster - Angie seems to be much better but even she underestimates Union's position in discussions with Kremlin !
It's not Russia making you a favor and selling some gas or oil.
It's exactly the opposite way !
And Germans are so hungry for business with Russia which is less than Belgium turnover lol.
So hungry that ready to forget Union's solidarity.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #33
Okay...
Firstly I can't see business with Russia as something bad and to avoid, quite the contrary.
Business is good for them and good for us and it helps to bind them closer to the West and the EU instead of sending them isolated moping into the corner!
Other than the baltic pipeline which I now come to think of as not worth all that hassle with the eastern countries (especially in the light of the alternative of Desertec) what do you mean?
Maybe some real life examples from you are asked for....
Explain!
auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/en/Laenderinformationen/01-Laender/RussischeFoederation.html
German-Russian relations are developing in a positive and dynamic manner. Mutual interest is keen and bilateral cooperation is close. This is reflected in the annual intergovernmental consultations, the most recent of which were held on 16 July 2009 in Munich, as well as in the regular visits in both directions in the political, economic and cultural sectors.
Russia sees Germany as a leading European partner, its most important one in economic terms. Germany has a strong interest in integrating the Russian Federation into the European and global economy and supports the process of transition in Russia. The prospect of a strategic partnership with Russia also entails frank, constructive and critical dialogue on differences (freedom of the press, human rights) as well as cooperation on a German-Russian modernization partnership in the following sectors: health care and demographics, basic and further education and training, energy, transport infrastructure and logistics, and the rule of law.
Firstly I can't see business with Russia as something bad and to avoid, quite the contrary.
Business is good for them and good for us and it helps to bind them closer to the West and the EU instead of sending them isolated moping into the corner!
Other than the baltic pipeline which I now come to think of as not worth all that hassle with the eastern countries (especially in the light of the alternative of Desertec) what do you mean?
Maybe some real life examples from you are asked for....
And Germans are so hungry for business with Russia which is less than Belgium turnover lol.
So hungry that ready to forget Union's solidarity.
So hungry that ready to forget Union's solidarity.
Explain!
auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/en/Laenderinformationen/01-Laender/RussischeFoederation.html
German-Russian relations are developing in a positive and dynamic manner. Mutual interest is keen and bilateral cooperation is close. This is reflected in the annual intergovernmental consultations, the most recent of which were held on 16 July 2009 in Munich, as well as in the regular visits in both directions in the political, economic and cultural sectors.
Russia sees Germany as a leading European partner, its most important one in economic terms. Germany has a strong interest in integrating the Russian Federation into the European and global economy and supports the process of transition in Russia. The prospect of a strategic partnership with Russia also entails frank, constructive and critical dialogue on differences (freedom of the press, human rights) as well as cooperation on a German-Russian modernization partnership in the following sectors: health care and demographics, basic and further education and training, energy, transport infrastructure and logistics, and the rule of law.
Firstly I can't see business with Russia as something bad and to avoid, quite the contrary.
Definitely but without any political conditions .
It's not a problem of the Baltic pipe but it's Russia trying to split European solidarity.
Making some general European energy deal with Russia would be of adventage for the EU.
Such a big deal includes better pricing, better terms of payment more stability for all.
Using a peak oil phantom Kremlin gains political points in case Georgia, Ukraine, NATO enlargement etc.etc.
And again - there is no need for that.
Take it for granted Russia had to sell raw materials in order to keep its business running.
Last but not least Baltic see.
It's gonna be the first big Baltic gas pipe and nobody knows what will be the final envivromental impact of it.
If I read Russian fleet will run some constructional works ...
PS. Your link is just diplomatic small talk.
In reality Russia had to reduce imports from EU.
I repeat: business is good, politics in business bad.
Expansion in Russia was always some German dream - I mean positive expansion not Adolf's way.
But please ... the last German economical results in RF were lower than in Czech Republic ...
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #35
But please ... the last German economical results in RF were lower than in Czech Republic ...
Then where is the problem???
I repeat: business is good, politics in business bad.
I agree...and again: Where is the problem?
Yes, Germany isn't and doesn't act kneejerk russophobic and prefers to do good business...that can't be the problem, can't it!
Using a peak oil phantom Kremlin gains political points in case Georgia, Ukraine, NATO enlargement etc.etc.
Well...Georgias Saakashvili wasn't quite the innocent lamb as he wanted to make you believe as the actual EU report now shows.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8281990.stm
Georgia 'started unjustified war'
The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.
The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.
And things like NATO enlargement are hardly made or killed because of Russian-German business deals...pleaaaase! :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Future_enlargement
The policies of neutrality in these countries along with widespread public disapproval of membership make them incompatible with NATO.
Take it for granted Russia had to sell raw materials in order to keep its business running.
Raw materials are a big part of their economy...at least they had something to sell!
Then where is the problem???
The problem is paying some political price for nothing !
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #37
I fear you will have to be some more precise! WHAT DO YOU MEAN!!!!
BB, it all depends on who your negotiators are how well they can play the game. If you are in a position of dependency, as many European countries are in relation to gas, then how is business good when you leave it to trust?
The Russians may have a different interpretation of this word.
Anyway, this is about language. Delph made a good point above. There was stubborness between Serbs and Croats when it came to language recognition. You were all Yugoslavians after all.
Crow, a quick digression. Why do you talk of "the strongest currency in Europe" many years ago, giving it broad stock and a wide berth, then you won't even recognise the currency of your neighbour? I went with Macedonian denar to exchange it in Serbia but they looked at me like it was a currency from the moon and told me no way.
I like the German philosophy of Vorsprung Durch Technik, this has helped the EU.
Polish could be the official language but a Slavic Union? Too many opponents.
The Russians may have a different interpretation of this word.
Anyway, this is about language. Delph made a good point above. There was stubborness between Serbs and Croats when it came to language recognition. You were all Yugoslavians after all.
Crow, a quick digression. Why do you talk of "the strongest currency in Europe" many years ago, giving it broad stock and a wide berth, then you won't even recognise the currency of your neighbour? I went with Macedonian denar to exchange it in Serbia but they looked at me like it was a currency from the moon and told me no way.
I like the German philosophy of Vorsprung Durch Technik, this has helped the EU.
Polish could be the official language but a Slavic Union? Too many opponents.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN!!!!
As already said: NATO enlargement.
No way around it - Germany is an influential partner of USA and maybe is even able to stop the enlargement for some promised profits in Russia.
Who knows the details ?
The only thing we know is that Kremlin considers Ukraine to be a temporarily lost part of Russia.
So does an average Vanya as well.
But I'll give you another example.
Russia is going to construct a nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad.
And now guess:
who's gonna be the EU partner for the project ?
One of the partners.
The same country which decided to get rid of atom on its own soil within two decades and today is very nervous about planned construction of French atom plant in Western Poland.
Kaliningrad is a RUSSIAN type and quite close to Polish border.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #40
As already said: NATO enlargement.
Okay...you mentioned Georgia and Ukraine...
Well, Georgia declassified itself quite thoroughly during the last escapade.
And in Ukraine the polls show that a majority is AGAINST a membership in the Nato.
In what way is that Germany's fault???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Future_enlargement
According to numerous independent polls conducted since 2002, Ukrainian public opinion on NATO membership is split, with the majority of those polled against joining the military alliance and many identifying it as a threat.
[37][38] According to the FOM-Ukraine pollster, as of April 2009, 57% of Ukrainians polled were against joining the alliance, while 21% were in favor.[39] A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 45% associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection.[40]
[37][38] According to the FOM-Ukraine pollster, as of April 2009, 57% of Ukrainians polled were against joining the alliance, while 21% were in favor.[39] A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 45% associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection.[40]
Who do you think should force them into the NATO? And why???
Influential Ukrainian politicians like Yuriy Yekhanurov and Yulia Tymoshenko have stated Ukraine will not join NATO as long as the public continues opposing the move.[41]
Germany's fault???
The same country which decided to get rid of atom on its own soil within two decades and today is very nervous about planned construction of French atom plant in Western Poland.
Well, the new government in Berlin just decided to go awhile longer with the atom plants...
online.wsj.com/article/SB125574177193591541.html
BERLIN -- The victory of Chancellor Angela Merkel's new alliance in elections last month promises to extend the country's use of nuclear power -- and reignite protests among those who have fought to phase it out.
Russia is going to construct a nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad.
And now guess:
who's gonna be the EU partner for the project ?
And now guess:
who's gonna be the EU partner for the project ?
I think here you have the why:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Nuclear_Power_Plant
...
The pair of reactors will secure a continuous supply of power to Kaliningrad with excess power being exported into the EU market. Lithuania, Poland and Germany are potential customers.[4]
The pair of reactors will secure a continuous supply of power to Kaliningrad with excess power being exported into the EU market. Lithuania, Poland and Germany are potential customers.[4]
And in Ukraine the polls show that a majority is AGAINST a membership in the Nato.
True but it hardly matters.
There is no need for any referendum and due to purely demographic reasons support for NATO is growing.
I spoke to many young Ukrainians and majority of them were for NATO.
After Bukarest NATO meeting Germany is considered to be the main Russian ally in this case.
Of course we don't know the details.
Lithuania, Poland and Germany are potential customers
Poland even didn't give any answer for the Russian offer.
Nobody can be happy having potential Czarnobyl just close to the border.
ec.europa.eu/education/languages/languages-of-europe/doc135_en.htm - European Commision - Multilingualism (that's what they call the page.)
The EU would have to really feel it was missing out on something to add another language to this list. As for official languages, it seems that each member state has an official language included in the list of languages official to the EU, except Ireland which has two and Belgium which has three.
Due to time and budgetary constraints, relatively few working documents are translated into all languages. The European Commission employs English, French and German in general as procedural languages, whereas the European Parliament provides translation into different languages according to the needs of its Members.
The EU would have to really feel it was missing out on something to add another language to this list. As for official languages, it seems that each member state has an official language included in the list of languages official to the EU, except Ireland which has two and Belgium which has three.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #43
True but it hardly matters.
I happen to disagree!
Since membership in the NATO is a military alliance, with the worst case scenario being a war, the support of the majority of a people is absolutely necessary.
How can you say it hardly matters?
And when during a referendum it can be shown that the Ukrainians want to become a member then they will, no doubt about that!
Nobody can be happy having potential Czarnobyl just close to the border.
Agreed!
Gaa
1 Nov 2009 / #44
stupid idea... why would anyone give up their language? would you rather speak Czech or Slovak than Polish? never!
Ukraine's accession to NATO will be far more important come 2017 when the Sevastopol Agreement expires. It doesn't pay to make predictions but, were Ukraine to be in NATO then, it could spark a war.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #46
After Bukarest NATO meeting Germany is considered to be the main Russian ally in this case.
Well...sometimes I doubt the informational value of your contacts Borrka (nothing personal of course). Here even actuall polls show the contrary.
According to the FOM-Ukraine pollster, as of April 2009, 57% of Ukrainians polled were against joining the alliance, while 21% were in favor.[39]
A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 45% associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection.[40]
A Gallup poll conducted in October 2008 showed that 45% associated NATO as a threat to their country, while only 15% associated it with protection.[40]
And after your contacts Ossis are somewhat the pariahs of Germany too! ;)
You should really be careful with your so called contacts....
Torq
1 Nov 2009 / #47
What is the alternative?
Alternative to Russia?
How about a country with about 120 million population - largest in EU, almost
matching the Russian 140 million (but only 78 percent of them are actually Russian
and about 15% muslims), second largest territory in Europe of about 670 thousand
square kilometres, powerful army with capability to call up to arms 9-10 million
trained reservists and possibility of developping nuclear weapons (the technical
capability, scientists and factories already there)?
There is no such country? Well, not yet - but why shouldn't there be?
We can call it - the Empire of German and Polish Nations (oh, sorry - I forgot,
it should be - the Empire of German, Polish and Sorbian Nations :-)).
Hey! If Crow can have his fantasies, why can't I have mine? ;-)
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #48
We can call it - the Empire of German and Polish Nations (oh, sorry - I forgot, it should be - the Empire of German, Polish and Sorbian Nations :-)).
But we need a much shorter, more catchier name! Right now it would be called: EGPSN...not good...we need more vowels!
the Empire of German and Polish Nations
The Germans almost went bankrupt for subsidizing eastern Germany and now you want them to be burdened with 38 million more mouths to feed?
In the best scenario the Empire would be called Empire of German nation and eastern lands.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #50
In the best scenario the Empire would be called Empire of German nation and eastern lands.
What the hell is wrong with: "Germol" or "Polerm"??? "Germanolonia"????
....better not! We might get called "lonis" by our enemies...not good...
Torq
1 Nov 2009 / #51
But we need a much shorter, more catchier name!
Hmm... Polgermania? Germanopolia? Nah, doesn't sound too well.
It's not that easy to come up with a decent name for a country...
...maybe we should switch to monarchy and simply call it the United Kingdom
of Germany and Poland? (damnit, I did it again! I meant United Kingdom of
Germany, Poland and Sorbia :D).
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #52
...maybe we should switch to monarchy and simply call it the United Kingdom
of Germany and Poland? (damnit, I did it again! I meant United Kingdom of
Germany, Poland and Sorbia :D).
of Germany and Poland? (damnit, I did it again! I meant United Kingdom of
Germany, Poland and Sorbia :D).
Ja okay...but you know the tendency of some tabloid to shorten everything...we need really something more catchy!
And what monarchy? German king and polish princess? Or polish King and german princess???
Must be some mix...
(Of course the pair will be determined through a beauty pageant)
Torq
1 Nov 2009 / #53
And what monarchy? German king and polish princess? Or polish King and german princess???
Must be some mix...
Must be some mix...
How about electoral-rotational monarchy, when German king dies, Polish one ascends
to the throne and vice-versa (Sorbs would get some minor positions in the royal treasury
ministry or something).
@southern:
For trying to undermine the idea of the Empire you are hereby condemned
to beheading or watching the Polish NT matches until the end of your life
(I suggest you choose beheading).
Maybe it should be Croatian as the Germans would love that ;) ;) With the attempts to create an independent Croatia as a German satellite, I'm sure Germans are quite fluent in that language by now.
BB, Germany wanted complete control over their intel and armed them against the law as there was an arms embargo in place.
So, BB, Croatian?
BB, Germany wanted complete control over their intel and armed them against the law as there was an arms embargo in place.
So, BB, Croatian?
Polnemecko should be a proper name.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #56
With the attempts to create an independent Croatia as a German satellite,
Explain!
You are quite quick with using such loaded words like "satellite"..may I call Poland an US "satellite" too?
Is Scotland an English "satellite"?
In Britain, suitability for the monarchy is based on the combined genes of Germans and horses.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11935
1 Nov 2009 / #58
Well...another reason to start something new! ;)
Torq
1 Nov 2009 / #59
Polnemecko should be a proper name.
That's what the Czechs would call us for sure :-)
Which gives me an idea to incorporate Czechs into the Empire (with possible
additions of Hungary, Slovakia and Austria)...
...NOW - that looks awesome! (and we have bigger population than Russia now :-)).
Incorporating Slovenia and Croatia would give us access to Adriatic... hmm... .. I better stop or we'll end up with a map of EU ;)
Satellite, colonisation, call it what you will as I'm not into labels. It had the distinct appearance of a satellite as you sought to control their actions and played on their sympathies and old ties with Ustashe fascists. They were the residuals from Nazism, people like Ante Pavlic. Go and Google Hermann Neubacker.
Call Poland a US satellite if you must but you will likely get a reaction from resident Poles.
The German secret service was instrumental in putting Tudjman in place. Tudjman was jailed by Tito for excessive nationalism. An anti-Semitic, anti-Serbian idiot.
Call Poland a US satellite if you must but you will likely get a reaction from resident Poles.
The German secret service was instrumental in putting Tudjman in place. Tudjman was jailed by Tito for excessive nationalism. An anti-Semitic, anti-Serbian idiot.