Slavic linguistic union inside of EU; Polish language official

A Catholic monarchy, your wet dream :)


I'm afraid that reign of such kings would not be too long. :)

Agreed...that's it! :)


Can't they be pagan??? Pretty pretty please???


What crap! Are you drunk???

Yes,the German would rule for 50 years and the polish for two months till his death.

What I was trying to show (in a twisted, humorous way) is that EU countries
should not look at Russia with fear and awe. If the hypothetical union of
Poland and Germany is enough to counter Russia on every field, then you must
surely see that EU, as a whole, completely dwarfs Russia in every aspect.

The only way in which Russia could damage the EU is playing some countries of the union
against others (like dealing with one EU country over the head of another EU country).

If we only act with more solidarity - as a union, almost as one country, then Russia
is nothing than a dwarf, not able to excercise any kind of influence over any EU
country.

I'm not saying we shouldn't co-operate with Russia, of course we should. But this
co-operation should be conducted accordingly to the potentials and real power
of EU and Russia.

That's the ultimate answer to BB's question about the alternative to German
co-operation with Russia - stronger and more united EU.

Resorting to insults tells me that you are losing the argument.

Even Tudjman was prepared to grant autonomy to Serbs within the district of Krajina (Knin). He was open to compromise, BB. Germany, however, didn't want that and told Tudjman as much.

No! This is out of question. :)


Neither Polish nationalist would waste such opportunity.

Well...you got me wrong. Where I am of the position that business is better than war concerning Russia the "alternative" was about the leadership of the EU (as Borrka meant that Germany is losing it), I asked about alternatives...


Proof?

All right - fair play to you then, BB. So, the union still stands? Good!

Of course! :)

Poland and Germany should form alliance, start the war against Liechtenstein and immediately surrender. This is the best tactic I can think about. :)

Not Liechtenstein...those *****!

Germanic dynasty and he still complain! :)

History is the proof, BB. Germany said there would be no compromise on this point as there would be a return to pre-1991 Tito borders. You carved up the Serbs into 3 territories, making them ripe for the pickings and in a state of disunity.

A Serb knows that Samo Sloga Srbija Spasava and that's why they were worried. Still, it was payback to the Serbs for attempting to carve up Bosnia.

Germans are for what makes money for them in the short term and what makes money for them in the long term.In the case of Russia the short term benefits are obvious and they are not willing to sacrifice them for some obscure EU solidarity to some new members which means taking into account the communist past.

Well, Germany supported the enlargement and the membership of those new members and in big parts invests heavily in the rebuilding and the future there.

That is alot of solidarity, don't you think? You get more from whom exactly?

I would really wish some of you would exchange stupid baseless and empty phrases with real examples when something is buggering them!

And the rest of the EU better prays Germanys economy is further holding up and kept running...or WE might some time knock on YOUR doors and ask for help!

What annoys Poles?That you cooperate with Russians on building pipes which do not pass through Poland.This means lack of solidarity in their opinion.

Well...it isn't only a Russian-German project and I too think Desertec is much better and we should invest everything there.

What else?

desertec.org/en/concept/summary/?gclid=CLehlITL6p0CFQWTzAodbl7ZMQ


desertec.org/fileadmin/downloads/media/DESERTEC_RedPaper_2nd_en.pdf

Your point is moot; everything annoys Poles.

BB, where's the accountability? Europe has shown time and again that it talks and does nothing or takes the wrong action and then talks about it til the cows come home.

I think that your view on Germany is a little bit too simplified. They are smart people
and in my opinion they are well able to plan far in the future and give up some short
term benefits for what's better for them and Europe in the long run.

They are the very core and the engine of the EU and stronger the Germans are
the stronger the entire EU is (yes - you can call me Captain Obvious :-)).

As for Russia, it's as I said before - they are an important partner to the EU,
but they can't become more important to any EU member than it's fellow
EU members.

That's it... gotta beat it now, lads. Take care!

The Poles get to travel freely within the EU. I remember going up to Finland through the Baltic states and there were no passport checks. I don't think Poles want to give up such freedoms to work, roam and move capital.

Epic fail....

Nothing. Just Boria likes the metaphor and taking classes of it at the moment. :) Boria, priwet!!

Boria the former Yugo was a communistic formation. Doesn't this fact scare you? Besides, the overall (relative) prosperity was reached at the price of oppression Serbs and giving extra rights to alboes which eventually ended up with... we all see that, no need to specify.

The fact that they didn't force you to speak Serbian doesn't mean they would never do that.
Kak dela, kstati?

As for the topic... I like the idea of any kind of Slavic union no matter whether it with or without Russian attendance. However I don't see enough reasons to set up the Polish language as the official one within them.

Yugoslavia wasn`t communist creation. In 1918 Kingdom of Yugoslavia was established as parliamentar-monarchy.

But, secund Yugoslavia, when after WWII communists managed to establish their dictature, country was heavely influenced by USA, British and Franch interests (it sonud controversal but, that`s how it was). Very early Yugoslavia escaped to influence of Soviet Union, already in 1948.


yes, Serbian interests were sold by Yugo communists. First hand buyers were USA, Britain and France. Secund hand buyers was Germany and Islamic league. Its a fact. Nobody asked Serbs about transactions so transactions would be canceled by Serbs one day.


Polish influenece should be increased in the region and in balance with Russian interests.

Bater balance of Polish-Russian interests then balance of German (so called west) - Russian interests.

I have to agree with Crow with exception for Polish language being ligua franca for EU-Slavs.

Privet Sasha.
An "linguistic" suggestion from you ?
And I don't think any sort of Slavonic esperanto can solve the problem.
There are already some artificial creations like that but who speaks them ?

i second that. i feel strange communicating with polish people in english, but the hatred towards everything russian is pretty widespread.

Nope. Russian is too difficult as regards the accent, grammar and alphabet.
Someone proposed Czech or Slovak and I'd be in favour of one of these
languages.


I wouldn't say "hatred" but some sort of historical resentment and grudge, maybe.

actually for me and most bulgarians polish is easier than czech, plus considerable portion of 25+ years old population had compulsory studied at least some russian in school. and that's already an asset that is unwise to neglect. and although you'll most probably deny it, cyrillic alphabet is much more suitable for slavic languages.

Oh, well - it's only an academic discussion anyway, as we all know that English
and French are the official languages of EU and there's not a snowball's chance
in hell of any Slavic language becoming one in foreseeable future.
I remember some time ago I found a website with some sort of Slavic esperanto,
a language being a mix of different Slavic words with simplified grammar - it was
quite funny actually, because I was able to comprehend 80% of texts written in
it - so maybe that would be a good idea :)


How come?

True. It was named until 1923 the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (SHS). In 1923 it became Yugoslavia (South-slavia). Only after the installment of Tito it became somewhat Communistic, however, Tito had his own version of Communism and it was a more liberal form - that's why they broke ties with the USSR and was never member of the East Bloc. It's also the reason why Yugo was so very accessible for the West (tourism and so on). Ideologically it was more on par with China than with the Soviet Union.

>^..^<

M-G (still has a Yugoslav print of a wellknown album on the label "Yugotone" or "Yugophone" or something like that)