Racist text book for Polish schools

You got a source for that rubbish or have you just pulled it out of your arse? There are about 25,000 Roma in Poland and a few thousand Vietnamese (but only in the big cities, mainly in Warsaw), where are you getting the other 120,000+ from?

I spent a year living in a city of 100,000 people which had a non-white population of two. I've still got some good friends in that city and they tell me the current non-white population is now three (because since I lived there the Canadian Chinese lecturer has moved back to Canada but the Vietnamese cook's Polish wife has had two kids).

There we go with "personal experience of captain Harry" again :)))))


Thus far you're the only one posting baseless made up stuff:))) Where's that "per thousand assaults" link?

Can't attack the fact that there is a city of 100,000 people in Poland which has a non-white population of three, so instead you attack the poster posting the fact. Such superb debating skills!


You haven't posted any links to support your claim that Poland has so few racist attacks.

But nevermind, here are the official figures about number of foreigners in Poland (official as in 2002 government census):
12,900 Roma
4,500 Other
1,808 Vietnamese
1,633 French
1,541 American
1,082 Armenian
800 English
500 Tatar
45 Karaite
Even if we assume that all of the Other, English, French etc are non-white (even though we all know some of them are white), we have a total number of 24,809. Seeing how Germany has 100,000 Afro-Germans and 150,000+ African nationals as well as nearly 50,000 Indian-Germans and 70,000 Roma, giving a total of 370,000+, there would need to be more than 14 times more racist attacks in German than in Poland for Poland to be a safer place for non-whites. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Poland#Other)

Oh, sorry, I forgot that there are 1,713,551 Turks living in Germany (not counting the Turks who have German citizenship, and some 8.2 million German citizens have an immigrant background) (same source as previously). So the total non-white population is actually 2,080,000+, so there would actually need to be at the very least more than 84 times more racist attacks in German than in Poland for Poland to be a safer place for non-whites.

Could you please post the name of the city? I'll call the city hall tomorrow and we'll have a quick answer regarding minorities:)


They have no connection with your claim of high number of assaults on minorities, in fact Poland has very low assaults on minorities on any scale but hey if you can prove your claims be my guest, wait thats right you cant.

Just like you called the police to report me for my crime of talking about Polish concentration camps? They still haven't come to arrest me despite you repeatedly claiming they said they would and that they had the last time you reported somebody.


You keep making this claim but you have shown nothing to support it. I've actually now found the relevant data and can tell you that not only does it support my stance that there are more racist crimes per thousand minority inhabitants but also shows a worrying 52.2% increase in racist crime. Have a look at fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/attachments/ar07p2_en.pdf

You see, in Germany there are the 2,080,000+ non-whites I have already mentioned and another 840,000 Germans of Turkish descent (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany). That makes at least 2,920,000 non-whites. In 2005 (the last year for which data is available for both nations) there were 15,192 "politically motivated - right wing crimes" (a definition which includes things like giving the Heil Hitler salute or having a copy of Mein Kampf). That makes a total of one crime per 192 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Germany has a one in 192 chance of being the victim of racist crime.

In Poland we have 24,809 non-whites (if we make the over-estimation that all of the Other, English, French etc are non-white). In 2005 there were 172 'racist' crimes reported under different legal articles. That makes one racist crime for every 144 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Poland has a one in 144 chance of being the victim of racist crime.

Feeling stupid yet?

How about we look at Austria? A country you claim is "among many countries far more xenophobic and racist than Poland". Minority population is 123,417 Turkish nationals; 7,982 Arabs; 5,916 Persian; 4,938 Chinese, (plus various others but let's go with the ones we know are almost certainly not white). Which gives a total of 142,253 non-whites. Total number of complaints of racist/xenophobic crimes in 2005 was 406. That makes a total of one crime per 350 non-whites. In other words a non-white in Germany has a one in 350 chance of being the victim of racist crime. To put that another way, a non-white is more than twice as likely to be the victim of racist crime in Poland than in Austria.

I look forward to reading your attempts to brush the cold hard data aside.


I just did. Goodbye.

And, the winner is...

Well, if East Germany remained an independant state today, it could well beat Poland...

Sorry everybody! I've got that wrong! It should say


Apologies for any confusion caused.

I wonder how long we'll wait for Sokrates to apologise for lying to us about Austria being " far more xenophobic and racist than Poland"? While we're waiting we can look at the numbers for France and see how likely a non-white is to be the victim of racist crime in France!

So what was your problem?You could not recognize them in the mass?

OK, I got bored first. According to the 1999 census in France there are 575,740 Algerians, 521,000 Moroccans, 176,000 Turks and 400,000 people from sub-Saharan Africa (migrationinformation.org/Profiles/display.cfm?ID=266). Those are the foreign-born ones, we also have a lot of non-white French-born French citizens (thought to be around 6.7 million according to according to the 1999 Census conducted by INSEE, source as above) but let's go with only the foreign-born Africans and Turks. Total is 1,672,740.

In 2005 979 racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic acts and threats were reported. One for every 1708 persons! So a foreign-born African or Turk is more than ten times less likely to be the victim of racist crime in France as they are in Poland!

So much for the claim of Poland being a relatively safe place for non-whites to live!

And isn't it funny how Sokrates will currently post in other threads in this forum but not in this one?

Do you have any idea how many anti-french acts and threats by these groups of Africans and Turks were reported in the same interval?Till now we don't see any anti-polish acts of immigrants,which means they are rather well integrated and respectful.

Poland has also about 800000 nice ukrainian immigrants.So what exactly is your problem?

I'm sorry but you havent posted a link in regards to Poland, you're posting France and Austria and making **** up about Poland, please post detailed information about Poland then about France and Austria, via links, i'm not interested in your fantasies rather than online factual basis :)))

That just makes the numbers for Poland worse!

If as you claim immigrants in France commit anti-French acts and the non-whites in Poland commit no anti-Polish acts, why are non-whites in Poland more than ten times more likely to be the victim of racist crime than an African or Turkish immigrant to France is in France? Here the non-whites are well integrated and respectful but they still suffer more than ten times more racist crime than in France!

The reason that the African and turkish immigrants do not suffer so much acts is that the French are too scared to commit such acts since they live under constant threat.If we regard the burning of a car as an anti-french act,then the acts commited by French are a tiny fraction of them commited by Africans and Turks.

Contrary to that in Poland the immigrants probably learn respect from first hand and are afraid to commit anti-polish acts.In Germany there is biequivolant violence by both Germans and Turks because they are both too stubborn to accept any compromise.

Where are those numbers for Poland except in your head?:)))

How about en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Poland#Other and fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/attachments/ar07p2_en.pdf ? Those contain the data about Poland which I am quoting.

The person making sh*t up is you and you've just been called out on it!


In the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights Report on Racism and Xenophobia
in the Member States of the EU and the 2002 Polish government census.

Where are the statistics you quote?

There is nothing about number of racially related assaults there, please stop lying :)))

Where did I claim that there is? That link gives the number of foreigners in Poland according to the Polish government.

fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/attachments/ar07p2_en.pdf gives the number of racist crimes in Poland according to the Polish police.

Use the two numbers together and you find that Poland is a far worse country for racist attacks than France, Austria or Germany.

Those are the facts: feel free to keep making yourself look stupid by lying.

I'm sorry but thats an entire Ebook, could you please post the excerpt regarding Poland cut out, because you understand that given your previous anti-Polish comments we cant believe you on your word:)))

Pathetic, even by your standards.

Here is the relevant data:

(under heading "MEMBER STATE") Poland

(under heading "Official National Data Source") Police Headquarters Office, ‘Temida’ general police & public prosecutor statistical computer service

(under heading "Readily Available Data – 2005 and 2006")
2005 – 172 ‘racist’ crimes reported under different
legal articles
2006 – no data update as of 02/2007

Table 6.1: Data on racist violence/crime, and related activities, reported by
official criminal justice sources at national level in the EU-27 for the years 2005
and 20064 (page 115 onwards, Poland data at bottom of page 116)

Much much better, i'll read it in the morning, you're improving Harriet, definitely improving:)))

Yet more ad hom comment! Such is the strength of the case claiming that Poland has a "moderate" amount of racist crime.

They're in denial. Then again, they might just be trying to wind you up.

The really pathetic is how how manipulate numbers to fit your anti-polish agenda. Statistics doesn't work like that. The fact remains that Austria with a population of 8.3 million people have managed to produce 350 incidents of hate crime. Poland produced about one half of that, but the population is 4.5 larger. Hence, an Austrian is much more likely to commit a hate crime than a Pole.

Also, you fail to be honest in your comparison of Poland and Austria in this respect. Conveniently you fail to remind us how Austrians voted for the anti-immigration far right in 2000 for Haider's Freedom Party. That democratic vote was squashed by EU. And again, in 2008 the anti-immigration and "xenophobic" far right gained significant support (29%) , even larger than in 2000.

I'm not quite sure whether your withdrawing of those facts is a result your hope that you deal with half-brains with short memory span, or is the short memory span and stupidity your leading quality.

Or perhaps it is the depleted uranium from when you served in Kuwait that has caused your brain to go mushy, and so not it simply refuses to associate facts that go beyond the length of your nose and self interest.

You mention that Poland has a racist problem. I say it doesn't. Some visitors in Poland have that problem. If you feel like hugging an ethnic minority, then the world is wide open. With the multitude of passports that you claim you could have if you wanted, why don't you try to get on for Zimbabwe or Sudan. Plenty of racial kumbaya for you there.

You came to Poland, and I doubt that anybody is keeping you there by force. The borders are open. Leave for one of those paradises in your brain. You are not Polish. Let Poles decide what they want in what is their home - not yours. You are just a squatter.

I can easily prove that statistics you provide are nonsense but what for ? You will just disappear and come back with the same sh*t in another topic no later than in 2-3 days.

Interesting how you look at things from the point of view of the offender and not from the point of view of the offender. Personally I have little interest in whether I'm mugged by somebody from Grochow or from Muranow, I care about how likely I am to get mugged (which is why I'm happy to walk round Muranow at any time of night but am less happy about wandering round Grochow at all hours).

Surprising that you look first at what races on the whole do: "An Austrian is more likely to ...."


Want to talk about the support for the openly racist and homophobic parties in Poland recently? How many Freedom Party MPs openly called for homosexuals to be attacked?

And as you are obsessed with un-adjusted numbers, I'll just point out that 2.3 million Poles voted for anti-immigration and "xenophobic" far right parties in 2005 but in 1999 (the real date of what you claim was the 2000 elections in Austria) 1.2 million Austrians voted for the Freedom party. So there are more than a million more racists here than in Austria.


Please name the Polish parties which are pro-immigration. And nice slight of hand shifting from "Freedom Party" to another term which hides the fact that support for the Freedom Party actually went down.


Those ad hom comments show the strength of your argument very nicely.


Yes the one in 144 chance a non-white has of being a victim of racist crime is no problem at all, is it?
And then there is the slight matter of me knowing rather more about modern Poland than you do, seeing how I've been living here for the last 15 years and you've been hiding in the USA for the last 22 years. How many days have you even spent in this country in the past 22 years?


Visitors like you? Or only the ones who are unimportant because they don't have white faces?


As already noted, I'm as Polish as you are American. I can get citizenship here any time I want. The borders of the USA are also open. Why hasn't a proud Pole like you come back to Poland yet?


Poland is my home thanks: it is not your home. You abandoned Poland in her hour of need and ran to the USA to squat there. And then when Poland became a free country again, you didn't come back to help rebuild the country, you stayed in the USA. But you dare tell me that I'm a squatter in Poland and that Poland is your home?


You can do no such thing. We all know you can do no such thing. If you can do it, prove you can.

why should any party in Poland be pro-immigration and in what sense.

should Poland go round the world and encourage people to coming to Poland? why so? does Poland need to become multicultural and why?

I would do the same as I am doing now, the calculations are the same... does anybody else here know the answer?

I’m not saying that any should. I am simply pointing out that it is somewhat hypocritical to attack members of another nation for voting for anti-immigration while the majority of one’s own political parties are also either anti-immigration or neutral on immigration.


Given the fact that the population of Poland is declining and the average age of the population is rising, it would certainly be a damn good idea for Poland to get a few more people to come to Poland. Otherwise there are going to be too few people working to support all the retired people!


There are arguments on both sides but, having lived in both multicultural and mono-cultural environments, I’d have to say that I prefer multicultural environments.

Indeed, the calculation is the same. Why doesn't it, in the Polish textbook, phrase as "how should the Turks positon themselves in order to drown the Poles"??

Well, the numbers say it all. The same numbers that you quoted. Swords have two edges.


Of course it is but it's not Poland's problem.
The problem is those who were attacked.


I am not American, never were, never wanted or tried to be and I never will be. You got things mixed up yet again. But then, what's new!


You may get Polish citizenship, but you will never be Polish.


For the same reason you haven't gone home yet.


Poland is not your home. It's a motel for you.
I did not abandon Poland, I left an occupied territory.
I don't live in the US and I own the place where I live.

And yes, Poland is my home, not yours. After all, in spite of all those years you did not decide to become a Polish citizen, even if that's just a paper. You decided Poland is a just a spot to spit at, not your home.

You are a guest and you should behave like one. If you want a colorful society there are plenty of choices for you, so why don't you use one of your passport opportunities and get th fvck to your Austrian ethnic bliss.


For every ad hominem comments that I address to you, I can quote 10 of yours. Must be that depleted uranium after all. I can't find any other explanation why anyone could be so consistently deviant as your hatred towards Poles shows.