The Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, refused to sign the Treaty of Lisbon

- And didn't he? How do you know that?


- He's doing specifically what?


- You mean he lacks commitment because he refuses to sign an invalid document?


- Why would you wonder about that?


- Who's opting out? So far, I know only about the Austrians wanting out of the EU. Any others do too? Who are they?


- You mean: let me get away with any nonsense I Seanus say? ;)


- But nonetheless you're asserting the Poles drain EU resources?


- Haven't other governments received such grants?


- What specific allegations? Is there any proof they are true?


- It's again metaphorical speech. What specifically do you mean by that - what facts?


- Why would you think so? You should value yourself and your intelligence way higher. I'm debating with you because it doesn't seem to be hopeless.


- But some of your statements don't seem to prove it.

Being pro-Poland can mean taking a moderate approach without adopting a gung-ho one. I'm sorry, I'm not as vocal as some here, nor do I plan to be any time soon.

He clearly didn't voice his reservations vociferously enough as the ball kept rolling unabated without him slowing down the momentum.

I'll cede this 2 u, I don't know the exact balance of power between the President and PM in Poland as I've never studied it. Having said that, I know Montesquie, Dicey and Locke well so the notion of separation of powers isn't over my head, I hope :) Just based on what I've read, he is rocking the boat and is not making Tusk's job any easier.

Invalid document? According to who?

I'd wonder about the position were Jarek to be in office because he is posturing too much now and not being pragmatic.

Yes, other govts have received such grants. I'm not discussing them tho

There was a commission in 2005 established to investigate the misappropriation of funds allotted to roads.

Poland has been a recipient of a lot of aid, whether that's good I bad I reserve judgement.

U r implying that I'm belittling myself by playing down my intel. Being modest is more important to me. I'm just one regular guy with his own 2 cents like anybody else, that's all I'll ever be. I don't get ideas above my station.

On Poland, well, let me give u some positives:

The dairy is probably the best in the world

Outstanding natural beauty

Has attracted much foreign investment, raising awareness in so doing

Has the potential to be of global prominence in the sphere if IT, the future

Has many motivated people who like to know what's cookin

I have many Polish friends and I always (well, usually hehehe) type with the thought in my mind that they are looking over my shoulder, reading what I'm writing. Too many are cowards behind their screens.

Well , the case of German President Koehler is similar to Kaczynski`. None has refused anything yet, but they attached certain conditions. Koehler demands German Court to decide if the treaty is constitutional, while Kaczynski looks on Ireland.

As you seem to be familiar with German topics and media (you probably work in Germany, don`t you??? Are you happy there??? :):):) ), look at this article from a German site whose headline is German President Suspends Ratification of EU Lisbon Treaty

This is all the EU is...a bureaucratic hog-trough for useless politicos and parasites to feed from...now, there are good aspects of European co-operation, many in fact, as far as making border crossings easier for Europeans, co-operation in economic and cultural areas...but, the EU is like the US federal government, just with a European flavor...it serves no function other than to pass humungous, incomprehensible 'laws' that the EU parliament members don't even read or understand, seek to do things like ban smoking on a continental basis, and serve as a control mechanism for the Euro-Zio bankers...if you can solve these problems, and make the EU more 'people-oriented', then maybe it would have some value...By the way, the nationwide smoking ban in the Netherlands takes effect this week.

Here's a guy who strongly believes Poland scrounges. I have heard some stories but this guy knows more on this matter Puzzy.

Only on tobacco. The coffee shops will still be tolerated, if patrons don't mix dope with tobacco. :)

Poland have Tescos not Walmarkts (Polish companies slowly push them form market but Tescos still make big profits), Poles buy European cars rather than American.

German companies are engaged in projects in Poland ...

it isn't deal like some people would like to present for others

Tesco have gotten smart and have monitored purchasing patterns and distribution/spread. As such, they have set up a smaller Tesco in a local community like Plus and Lidl do. It is much easier for people who reside far from the big one. It has most of the key products. They may continue to place them slap bang in the middle of areas surrounded by flats.

This doesn't have much to do with the Lisbon Treaty tho

I does have a lot to do with european integration and deal. Poles let enter Tescos Lidls only because old EU let us work there and gave us donations. We could let Americans open their walmarkts in Poland.

We had no cash on our own investemnts becuase of communist system.

Polish retaliers are stronger and stronger and started to be competitors (good article in May Forbs about situation on Polish market) but still ... you make good money here.

It is how europe works, when Poland will be stronger and will start help others and take profits like you have here.

Poles in their history were nationalists in shops ... it is nothing new... series of articles in press small re-brainwash and Tescos are empty ...

People voting rather against the treaty. I don't trust Kaczynski and find his Irish excuse pathetic.
He should clearly reject the treaty.


Correct. Eurocrats needs this just to blackmail the Irish, they voted for the Nice treaty twice before.


Kohler wont sign before German court decision on this matter. Klaus on other hand is a class act.


Your information is incorrect. The Czech Republic could block everything alone according to the EC own rules. Can you please stick to the rules? Irish rejected, there is no treaty!

My condolences to the Czechs if they would be excluded from decision process while such countries like Poland would be "heave players".


Your as well. Because of this bunch of bureaucrats everything is more expensive.

Other forces can dictate such changes lesser.

You information is correct. The Czech Republic can veto anything, just like Ireland. :)

What I meant, though, was not legal regulations, but the general impression created by Poland rejecting sth, compared to the Czech R.


Poor Czechs! They don`t deserve such a fate....:)