Precedent set in Szczecin for offending homosexuals?

This is not about being gay or not, is about picking on it and discriminating...

I would be more than upset I would be pissed off and disgusted but no one would care. They would say "freedom of speech" and get pissed at me for getting pissed off. They would call me unstable. If this case were over here, they would tell the gay guy "People can say whatever they want you got to put up with it you should hear what I hear about myself and there's nothing you can do about it". If he complained about neighborhood gossip around here.

It is considered what it is and most often leads to a legal action. It doesn't have to be connected to religion, sex or race.

do you know what precedent is in law?

Well, freedom of speech… there are some limits though; you can't publicly call people using n-word or f-word etc. common sense, eh?

......very true

They do where I live but not on TV or in front of cameras.

I find that a lot of people are confused about freedom of speech. I am not sure if they do it out of lack of information, or they are just plain mean.

If you'd call anybody one of these words here you'd get your ass sued in 5min lol

they do? wow that sucks


Yeps, many people abuses this principle in the US, sometimes its ridiculous

well, then maybe there is a need for change:). Life sucks in some parts of the world.

Of course I know but it's pointless to think that anyone around here will ever be sued over neighborhood gossip. I know they don't want that precendent and they don't think it's a big deal. In other words, they don't care and they yell "freedom of speech" to cover their asses.

I am going to stress this again and maybe this time it will register with your: it was in POLAND, not in the US.
Please don;t make me become a broken record.

The only thing is that I'm not sure if Polish law is actually precedent law.
My understanding is that precedents are recognized in common law legal systems. Polish law is not among those.

It would follow that the judge's decision has nothing to do with precedent setting, but it is merely the first(?) use/interpretation of some paragraph of the Polish legal code in reference to offensive language towards a homosexual.

Yeah I know it's in Poland. Did you bother reading my post where I wished it were over here?

good point, so legally it might not be a precedent, but since Harry used that word, I used it too (bad me). If this is the first time somebody is fined for speaking against homosexuals, then it would be a precedent for me, whether is has a stand in Polish law, or it does not.

Yes, if it is a precedent then in Polish (also German and French) law the word "precedent" would simply mean something to the tune "the first". In general, if it's not in the book then it cannot be defined by the judge during the court proceedings as a offense or not. That is already contained in the various legal codes.

What might be defined by the judge (sometimes with the help of specialists representing relevant fields of knowledge) is the interpretation of the actual facts, such as whether the word "pedał" is indeed offensive or not.

This is simply not true, democracy means sometimes terror of majority, while dictatorship, monarchy may be more liberal than many western democracies. Take a look at Liechteinstein.


Yes but pedał and gej have exactly the same meaning, so this is not a slander. The first is simply considered rude. You cannot fine people for using rude language. this is insanity. If everybody would go to court with such cases, courts would lack time to judge about serious issues. I was verbally offended many times (like most of people) but I never even considered such option.

Do u ever shut up u stupid prick? are u the owner of radio maria in drag?

oh gosh, this was so offensive! You are lucky that I don't share your views. Otherwise, we would need to go to court with this 'case'.

I'm offended that you were offended.

Not really, there is hardly anybody in this forum that could have an ability to offend myself. However this would be good excuse to earn some good cash.

I understand that you want go to court? You should be consistent to proof your point...

Lol, I was just joking around in general. I think it was a stupid ruling. It's just like the US, 'tyranny of the sensitive'.

Only right! haha Serves her right being a dumb fascist!

It's the ultimate politically correct ruling and I hope to see more of this across the world. Good for Poland! The judge made the right choice. My hope is this catches on and we can get all sorts of foul mouthed jerks fined for being obnoxious gossipers. They deserve it!

Political correctness it is cultural Marxism, read more about this issue.

That's like $5000 bucks for being mean to somebody? How about fat people being laughed at? Maybe women with big boobs being taunted by other women.. on and on. It's about the stupidest precedent you could set. Now anybody can claim some hurt feelings and have a nice pay day as Lesser suggested.

What makes me laugh about this (actually it doesn't) is that gay people (yes I have gay friends and was out this afternoon with two female friends who are gay before you start) is that its okay to call a woman a w*ore and get away with it yet its not okay to use derogatory terms towards another section of the population without being sued for it?

Obviosuly I know there is a difference, but people set themselves apart regardless of their sexuality, personal preferences or religion, where does it stop? She called him a fag, which is slang term for a gay person, Im a bird, which is a term for a woman...I dont like being called a bird, but Im not going to sue someone! Whilst I might seem Im making light of that, I could make a case against a person for calling me a bird on the grounds that I find it sexist...see where Im going...

Poland has just entered the rediculous world of the EU!

Exactly! Exactly!! ShelleyS this is what my posts are about. It's not fair. So many people endure ridiculous insults day after day but we aren't allowed to go running to the judge and have the people who slighted us fined in court and told to stop because they fear it would cause a lot of bad feeling and be a major disruption in society, if all of us were allowed this indulgment. People would be so pissed off all the time if they had to keep paying out fines because sooner or later someone would insult someone else by calling them ***** or fag or dumb or stupid or slut or ugly or fat...the list is endless. Fag is just another insult no more or less insulting than any other insult so why does this guy get some special ruling the rest of us aren't allowed. Sounds like he's sorta spoiled.

Its terrible, Wow she made a reference to him with a word. I've been called many names in my life so far and i couldnt give a fck. If you called me a w8nker and i went to the police and said i want to take this guy to court for calling me a w*nker they would laugh at me and probably say you are a wa*ker lol