What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?

I do blame Britian who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING after Poland was invaded by the Nazis and divided between Germany and the Soviets. Britian didn't even bat an eyelid at the signing of the The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, by Soviet foreign

minister Vyacheslav Molotov and German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.
Then, the gulag-style KZ started appearing all over the GG and BRITIAN still does NOTHING!!!!! Why was that so?

I agree totally with you, Celinski!

Yes, all Britain did was declare war on Germany when Germany refused to pull out of Poland and then Britain fought a six-year long war, rejecting all offers of peace which came with the one condition that Germany could do what it liked east of the Oder. Nothing at all.

Umm...okay...the same question goes for you...WHAT exactly did you expect the British to do!

*waits*

Harry just answer one question, What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?


Ground troops in large numbers to help defend Poland, within Poland. Even thought this never happened what about not going alone with "Stalin's" orders to not help in the Warsaw rising, demanding Poland had her freedom at wars end. Even the US dropped one shipment over Polish.

Didn't Britian say they were going to do something if Hitler went back on his word and invaded Poland? Britian could have stood up to Germany like they said they were going to.

Actually, it was Britain that declared war on Poland because of the two thousand year long hatred that Britain had for Poland. Spiteful bunch, aren't we! Germany and the USSR were merely our pawns.

Tell me that it's nobody's fault, nobody's fault, nobody's fault but mine.

Carol, you think that all the blame falls on Britain.

Of course you have never bothered to answer the question: what exactly should Britain have done in September 1939?


Yes, let's do that. Let's study the story of how Poland had never lifted a finger to help Britain before Britain declared war on Germany because Germany refused to withdraw from Poland. Let's study the story of the Commonwealth graves in Poland. Let's study the story of the attacks made on Germany in 1939. Let's study the story of the Polish army was larger than the British army in 1939. Let's study the story of how hundreds of Commonwealth pilots died supplying the Warsaw Uprising. Let's study the story of how the USA refused to push Stalin about the issue of resupplying the Warsaw Uprising. Let's study the story of 'free' and 'official' Poles were invited to the London victory parade. Let's study the story of all the things you Yanks lie about and let's study the story of all the things Poles lie and whine about. Let's study the whole story, not just the bits which make out to be Poland Christ among nations and make Britain out to be Pontius Pilate.

In reality of course all we're going to hear is yet more offensive lies from you and certain of the Poles who post here.

Britian should have declared war on Germany and STOPPED THEM. Isn't it obvious? I don't think Britian ever had the intention of doing that and Germany knew it.

Harry, you have to keep in mind BRITIAN is the one who intially told Germany if they invaded POLAND war would be declared. You are forgetting that tiny detail.

No way, far from it, this was a muti national screw over. It's not like France was dancing a jig to come help. As for Russia, shoot, in the east we already knew his plan for Poland. Why do you think Polish refused to fight along side his military. They were just killing us off. This was why we headed to meet British.


It needs to be aired out so we can be best friends, Harry. :)

The blame falls on Britian for not doing what they said they would.

Let's get this straight - Britain did not declare war on Germany following Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939?

Britain did not declare war on Germany following Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939?[/quote]
Yes they did, I believe on the 3rd of Sept. then as Polish fought and keep waiting, France and Britain both "no showed".

What did Britian do? NOTHING!!!!! They didn't do anything so it's the same as not actually declaring. Lip service and nothing more.

No, I asked what exactly Britain should have done. What should they have done? How should they have stopped Germany? Perhaps an amphibious landing near Hamburg and then an invasion of Germany? Tell me exactly what Britain should have done which it didn't do.


And which tiny detail is that? BRITAIN declared war on GERMANY because GERMANY refused to pull its troops out of POLAND. Read some HISTORY and then come talk to us again.

There was no "Ground troops in large numbers"...remember Dunkirk?
They would have had to conquer Germany first. Look at the map...to free Poland they would have to go over Berlin first, how realistic was that?

GB had to be bailed out by the US themselves, how on Earth should they had been of help for Poland?
Being part of the alliance was the only way for both of you...


They did, they declared war on Germany....making a German/Polish war to a world war with far reaching consequences.
But that was everything GB was able to do at that point. Look at a map!

YES its true, Celinski is right. BRITIAN, the main force in Western Europe, a force with TREMENDOUS influence on the continent of Europe didn't do anything to help the poles who really needed their help. BRITIAN was their last hope. BRITIAN failed them. I think BRITIAN has responsibility in that.

Harry you know what I meant. Britain didn't do anything, just let it all happen. Empty threats. If Britian couldn't do anything, why make an empty threat?

HatefulBunch, are you a member of the Hateful Club? Just wondering.

Is guilt can arise from doing something that is still too little, what about countries that did nothing or were the actual aggressors?

just answer me one question, how would GB have been able to get our troops to Poland???

I suppose it would be pointless discussing the fact that the tactics used by the German Army had never been seen before, the relative sizes of the armed forces involved, the extent to which they had been mobilised etc. etc. Britain was SO ready for war that we sent the BEF out and look what good that did.

As an aside what do you lot think a veteran of the war would make of this thread? Is it a fitting memorial to have public squabbles based upon half truths, perception and general intransigence.

Then what was the point of declaring War?

Osiol: OF COURSE the countries who were the actual agressors are more to blame. I was initially responding to HARRY who was acting all superior even though his country didn't follow through on their promise to Poland if it were once again invaded.

the war was not just about Poland, at that time it was about the freedom of Europe and not just one country, Poland was not the only country to be invaded. The reason we could not transport that many troops is because the planes did not have big enough tanks to fly all that way. What were we going to do, stop of and refuel in Germany?? lol.

Once again. Why declare war if there is no plan to make good on that threat?

The difference is that both Britain and France had meet and bs'ed Poland as they never intended to help. They said they would help and did not. I do not feel they should have gotten there by the next week, but to lie and con't to stall Poland's thoughts of an alliance was wrong. Within a few weeks where where they?

A better question: Why did Poland believe GB?
A good look at a map would have told me all about it....

Poland didn't have much of a choice.

1) Britain had the fifth largest army in Europe in 1939. In Britain only one in 40 men were mobilised, in Poland it was one in 20 and in France it was one in ten.

2)For the third time of asking: exactly what should Britain have done?

Okay, so do nothing in the face of an aggressor and go to heaven an angel.

I'm not coming back to this thread in a hurry.

the UK did go to war, just because they didn't rush to the aid of Poland does not mean there was no effort made.

Poland's main concern was that Poland would be free at wars end. Britain assued Poland of this. Poland had no choice but to believe them here also. Ally's till the end.


Great now we upset the donkey.

Harry, what am I??? A military genius Patton-like General???? I am not the one threatening war here. Common sense says if you threaten to declare war on someone you should have a back-up plan, non? In case you may actually have to make good on that threat?????

What did Poland get out of the wars and struggles for others?
I don't know what Poland got out of the wars and the struggles with others but the world sure did learn a lot. One thing is to always go to war if a declaration of war is made. Secondly, Make sure to always have a plan for such an event.