Poland: the 51st state of America

Stop spreading lies.
I didn't have insurance when I had an accident, was unconcious, ready to die. I was a poor college student and "they" didn't leave me to die at the hospital door.

If you don't know what you're talking about, stop spreading false information.

I don't want to offend you, when I write "Americans" I mean especially the "American government" that is to blame. But it's also "average American's" fault because he or she elected the people who govern the country.

Americans have been duped/victimized/terrorized/fooled by their own governments and political system, and it lasted for the last 100 years. But I should say that there is probably something more powerful, a group of people/families who have the power over the governments in USA and they pull the strings, but that's another story. The bottom line is that they created a system in which the American society only have illusional power (called "free, independent elections").

One of the biggest problems of America is that they only have two major parties, it is unbelievable that 200+ millions of people can share only views of two parties. In Poland that have 38 million of people there are always at least 3-6 parties that have different opinions on crucial matters. If party members of one party screw something up, the next day you hear it in the media. In USA the political system is SCAM and in fact Democrats and Republicans are like two cousins who play the same game, only from time to time pretend they have different views. It's like there were only two jurors in court, would anybody believe their sentence? No, that's why there are always several jurors who cannot be bribed or influanced by each other. With two parties no matter over the last 100+ years, everything has been set up between them. If there were at least 3 or 4 different parties that influence in Congress, it would not be that easy for US government to commit fraud and manipulate the media.

Americans are the victims of their political system, so proud called "Democracy." It's high time for them to change this monolith and allow more independent people manage their lives.

Regarding the question, Poland is not the 51st state of America and likely won't be. Poland's geopolitical situation doesnt' interest America, Poland has no resources, is in EU, is close to Russia, so there is no way it could be another state. If Poland had oil or gas like Russia, that would be a different story.

yawwn.. okay

You left out something that I think is pivotal to how the American political system works, and another reason why the common man has so little power: The Lobbyist.

The lobbyist is paid to go to Washington and push an agenda for money (often in teams). Unlike the rest of us who have to find the time to track down and write to a senator or house representative, these people are there, in Washington, working all the time. Its just not fair representation. :(

As for this part: it is unbelievable that 200+ millions of people can share only views of two parties That is why the parties hold conventions and decide on a "Platform". This supposedly takes all the issues pertaining to each party and prioritizes them according to the party supporters.

I think a different system would help, but right now it is hard for another party to make inroads...some people look at the "green" party or the "independents" as a diversionary tactic to slip the vote and tip the election in favor of one candidate.

"There is a rota for which other country in the world should be considered to be the fifty-whatever-it-is-th state." he continued. "Poland today, Portugal tomorrow. We're just not sure what will happen after the United Kingdom because it is not possible for the United States of America to be the fifty-whatever-it-is-th state of the United States of America."

At least, I believe that is what he said.

It's already been proven that missile bases don't work.
Pulaski and Kosciuszko fought for a free Poland not to be a colony of America. Don't try and rewrite history.
Is there anything more laughable than Polish leaders from Kwasniewski to Marcinkiewicz saying they didn't know anything about torture sites on Polish land. They're either liars or idiots.

Both. Don't forget fat and ugly. Lol

Madam, quit smoking dope, it is warping your brain waves. I personally could care less if they get rid of those visas, I was just mentioning a few reasons why many Poles are starting to drop the "I love the USA" act, so don't poo-poo me. Secondly, I don't know many people in Poland who think it is the greatest place on Earth-in fact most people I know think quite the opposite.

The only thing you are correct on is the Polish refusal to abide by rules, we are people who can't even handle standing in line correctly, but most of us aren't proud of it...

check out the "The shock doctrine" by Naomi Klein, a Canadian writer.

If somehow this would be the only choice available, I would prefer Poland joined the US rather than EUCCP.

I prefer the US leaves everybody alone for the next 2 decades. Russian bear no longer hibernates, well there are many a smart able minds in Europe to take care of him.

Hehehehehe! LOL :):):)

...that was a good one Shopski!
(But then...isn't it like that nearly everywhere?)

Yeah, I suppose so. :)

You know how we have the tv show American Idol here, where people can text in a vote on their cell phones for the singer they like best?

What if we had official referendums set up so that citizens could text in or email in a vote?

If there was a way to make voting secure (like how we file our tax returns on line) it sure would save a lot of money and the people could be very well represented!

:)

The problem is most would vote for the one with the biggest smile, the whitest teeth, the best hairdo or the biggest boobies and the most expensive PR Campaign...who instead would vote for the nerd who would probably the smartest and the best capable for this job?

Some people here in Germany are already starting to wish the monarchy back. It would spare them the regular votes who mostly feel they are just for fun anyhow because nobody listens to them AND a firm rulership without needing to bow down to the voters would better for longterm planning and actually employing experts not those who are liked most by the people...

But then...you might get an idiot monarch too!

But how do you know people aren't already doing that when they cast the regular vote? I guess you are thinking that only a serious voter would take the trouble to get off his/her ass and make the trek down to the voting precinct?

Most voter will vote for those who promise them what they want to hear...it's a sad fact of life (but also only natural).

So if a politician wants to get a job he will say what he thinks will bring him votes...but is this good for the country also in the long run?

Who cares...if his time is over the others can see how they get out of this mess again!

There is an advantage for changing govs through voting and a big disadvantage.

Many people in Germany already have this feeling...hence the shrinking partaking in any votes at all.
A new study found out that 1/3 of the Germans don't care much for democracy anymore....

So why not spare the huge cost of a traditional voting method, and go "electronic"?
I would rather have a computer count the votes anyway! And these days the states are worried about security in voting...they wanna make sure only legal citizens are casting a vote. An electronic vote could provide that security....

And there would be no "hanging chads".....who knows we might get an accurate vote in the states like Florida and Michigan! :) hehe (sorry, couldn't help myself)

The computer would be tampered with.

And paper ballots can't be tampered with?
Think about it.......

What I'm saying is, regardless of the method u choose to employ, there will be tampering of some sort. I'm all too aware of Jeb Bush and his role in rigging Florida, attempting to disenfranchise the coloured folk there.

Paper ballots are an even more fallible method as human error will always exist.

I did think about it :)

Sorry dude, never did that stuff. USA doesn't care if Poles drop the "I love the USA" crap so go poopoo yourself little boy. lol

Thats so untrue, stop making up stories. They have to treat everybody.

Poland is the 51st state of America".

Ssssssh Dont tell Puerto Rico they might get jealous..lol

One of the biggest problem Poland has is there are always at least 3-6 parties that have different opinions. No wonder Poland is corrupted the way she is where no one agrees to anything and complains about everything.

lol.. no they bake in the sun all day, they won't remember.

I have always preferred a multi-party system. That way you can still use your vote, you may not have to vote for either of the main "expected to win" parties but perhaps for a smaller party whose views you may agree with more, even though they have no chance of winning. Some say this is a waste of a vote but I'd rather use my right to vote that way that be so disillusioned with the main parties that I wouldn't vote at all.


I've never had cause to use the US medical system but I believe that yes, they have to give you emergency treatment but after that you can't really win overall. If you need long term care aren't you left with a hefty bill if you have no insurance or some insurance?

The size of the Polish ballot paper always amuses me. I doubt many countries can boast a ballot paper that's A3 in size.

You've never voted in Scotland recently then. I had to take a half day off work to read through all the candidates and parties. ;) I think I remember there was one called The Pensioners Party or something like that...

I would not agree that the American system is better. It is just different and it stems form the a different history than Poland.

Poland is a homogenous country with really low % of minorities. Homogenous, yet allows for differences which is reflected in the number of parties. Also, Polish democracy is pretty young after the communism, so it is still in a process of forming and evolving (at least one would hope so). There is no need to unite Poles as a nation, because they are "united" by default by being homogenous society.

In the US, there are so many nationalities that the common denominator such as belonging to one nation is not present. Therefore, such non-homogenous society cannot have to many parties, because if that was the case, you would have a civil war or divide the country into many independent countries. The glue in the multicultural society is different than in the homogenous one. I hope I am making sense. So the American flag becomes a common denominator, or 4th of July. Yet those things carry a different meaning to each American individual.

We have maple syrup and beavers:)

US, on the other hand has an established political system, where the power has been established and it is reflected in the number of the political parties.

I am not sure where you were going with your argument.

Perhaps; I've heard this sentiment over the years. Even with greater frequency now.


I'll manage my own life.


I am curious, did any of events that you state above, specifically the influx of other nationalities, ever happen to Poland?

If so, when and what was the result?

Yes, But after awhile the State (taxpayers) will wind up paying the Bill.
Thats how the mexicans do it, thats why healthcare is so expensive for
the people that are here legally