Should Poland send volunteers to Georgia ?

If the chancellor of Germany could be...


They don't fight for independence. 50.000 people poor "country" simply can't be independent. Russia pushes them to make problems and destabilize Georgia to punish them for "pro-western" policy.

ouch

Right. But It's not my fault that you are screwing up everything. Obviously USA don't give a damn about other countries, so there's no sense for any country to help in Iraq or Afghanistan as in case of problems the Yanks won't give a damn anyway.

Okay, sorry for bothering you tonight.

I think you have that backwards.
Other countries don't give a damn for the US except how she can help them!

Our overt involvement will only exacerbate the situation.

When I look at this photo I get sick to my stomach:

wiadomosci.onet.pl/101536,21,3,pokaz.html

This is a horrible situation; one that needs to start with diplomacy.

Grzegorz, if you're George W. Bush what do you do?

Eduard Kokoity, South Ossetia's leader, said more than 1,400 civilians had died as a result of the combat beginning in sporadic firefights on Aug. 1, and shifting to full-blown warfare early on Thursday.

No one wants to see civilians caught in the crossfire.
Not ever.

South Ossetia-the new state in Europe.

I'm sorry you don't understand the job USA has, Iran, Israel and Russia have been ticking time bombs. Putin would love to have US troops spead into the area. IMO this would not be the best use of the troops for Poland and other allies at this time.

Obviously I'm not saying that USA should nuke Moscow but one could think that for a good ally should do a bit more than so far (nothing).

Good relations do not equate to actively creating all out war on with rather large nation and expecting them to back you up...I would say it was pretty silly of Georgia to expect the US to come running to their aid after they made such a mess.

Send doctors and anything else they may need, but defo no guns or soliders!

Looks like Georgia have made the right move:

radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5913564/Georgias-pre sident-
signs-peace-proposal

There can be no argument about the fact that Georgia has been a loyal ally of the USA. They sent soldiers to Iraq, applied for membership in NATO and cooperated in oil projects independent of Russia. They did all this because they wanted to safeguard the newly-won independence of their country from Russian military and economic blackmail. Russia sees Georgia as nothing but a satellite that should be totally subordinated to Russian economic and strategic interests. That's why they fomented ethnic conflicts in Georgia and did everything possible to support the separatists in the regions of Abhazia and Osetia. For instance they granted Russian citizenships to the inhabitants, provided them with arms and created their military bases there. When Georgians responded to provocations and attemped to take control of their own land, Russian launched a full-fledged attack on Georgia and are already in control of over half the territory. They are bombing civilian targets and infractructure, apparently trying to destroy as much as they can before withdrawing. But I don't think they're going to withdraw before installing a puppet government that will do their bidding ever after. One more Russian objective is to frighten Ukrainians who have also applied for memberhip in NATO and cooperate with the USA. I still remember Russian threats when Poland applied. Generally, there are many analogies with Poland. It's worth remembering Germans started WW2 claiming they had to defend German inhabitants of Poland from our persecution. The French who were theoretically obliged by a military treaty to support us in fighting off foreign aggression said they "were not going to die for Gdansk/Danzig". After the war we were sold again by our western "allies" - to the Russians this time. I think the same will happen to Georgia.

I understand all Americans who don't want to get involved in another war, and all those who point out how costly it would be to stand up to Russia. But don't tell me leaving Georgians to be crushed into obedience by a barefaced agressor 100 times their strenght is fair play. And don't tell me you believe Russian propaganda about Georgian crimes against population (its own) - if you do, I know what your opinion about Hitler's attack on Poland in 1939 would have been: we had ourselves to blame, right?

The Russians give you the choice:Either respect the international law or you face brutal force.

listen to me

Official Poland should stop to creates problems to Serbs and to Poles. Instead of that, forget about Georgia and put cross on yourself whenever somebody speaks about Georgian case.

NATO and EU destroyed international order. Now, everything is possible


are you aware that Georgian attack on South-Ossetia changed Serbian-Kosovo situation dramaticay?

I can clearly imagine how Albanian mujas attacking North of Kosovo (where Serbs live), in order to punish Serbs for they refuse to accept Albanian Kosova (Greater Albania). It would lead in respond of Serbia which would then react to protect Kosovo Serbs... War escalates, NATO helping to Albanians, Russia to Serbs. NATO retreat, as we can see and... end.... enough said, You know what i mean

Spot on Crow. And now Saakashivili's throwing his toys about after slaughtering civilians in SO thereby provoking the wrath of Moscow which's kicking his sorry ar*se. Not surprising either that the so called western media are concentrating on reporting events in Tblis and hardly anything about the humanitarian catastrophe in SO. Bloody pathetic and a disgrace!

WHat else would you call western media ?

I haven't seen much about Tblis (except for the 1st day of conflict), but more of the humanitarian issue. Not sure which news you're reading/watching.

I don't think volunteers with weapons are needed, but I think medical aid is certainly needed and not just from Poland.

i noticed similarity in Albanian-Georgian cruelty. It`s abominable to me to even compare Albanian-Georgian leadership but, obviously those who `ride` with NATO are all similar (only exception is Slavic public in Slavic countries and official Slovakia).

Oppresed would be saved, soon


sure

expect full strike from false media of false democrats

My apologies,meant to write that they're reporting from Tblis about what's happening in Gori but hardly anything about the refuges pouring into N. Osessitia and their eye-witness accounts.

The US acknowledge that on the break up of the Soviet Union Georgia was an internal affair as it was part of Russia for so long.

The Georgians didn't want to be part of Russia (in 1991/92) so they split, however the Ossetians did not want to be part of Georgia. They fought to be autonomous from Georgia in 1992 and have been ever since. Why can Georgia demand independence, but Ossetia cannot??

Georgia is trying to force Ossetians to be become part of Georgia, the violence has been going on for years, last month they kidnapped four Russians. Bombings, shootings, shelling. They have been playing a very dangerous game.. that they cannot win.

The mad president Saakashvili has brought war on his country, Russia is entitled to bomb the **** out of Georgia for what it has done. WTF did Saakashvili think he was doing??

Georgians expecting NATO to defend them, in a war they started...

nytimes.com/2008/08/11/world/europe/11scene.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

You can still engage in a war and be neutral, look at my government bunch of Irish wan*ers.!!!

People of the world. You deceive! World mass media conduct propagation of a false information. Russia DID NOT ATTACK Georgia! 07.08.2008 at 22:00 Georgia has attacked South Ossetia. At 3:30 08.08.2008 tanks of the Georgian armies have entered into city Tskhinvali. Artillery bombardment all the day long proceeded, fights with use of tanks and heavy combat material, both against ossetic armies, and against peace inhabitants were conducted. 1400 civil people already were lost. The Russian peacemakers have arrived to South Ossetia in the evening 08.08.2008 for settlement of the conflict and prompting of the world in republic and protection of the Russian citizens living on territory of South Ossetia. Georgia has attacked South Ossetia on eve of Olympiad, it is top of cruelty and cynicism. Proofs and video-materials look on : 1tvrus.com/ , 1tv.ru/owa/win/ort6_main.main , rian.ru/ , vesti.ru/news , news.ntv.ru/ , newsru.com/ .We shall tell is not present to WAR!!!

Yes, we know.

I don't see the problem here. The UK army reacted to Argentina invading the Falkland's, so why should we expect Russia not to invade this land?

What's good for the goose...except that in this case,SO/Georgia the majority of casualities are the innocent civies. tragic indeed.

Reminds me about the Millions of Sudeten-Germans and Danzig-Germans back in the days.
If they wanted to or not they were just like thate declared now citizens of the newborn countries, if they wanted to or not, they had no say in the matter and nobody wanted to listen to their protests!

Germany just lost a war and was weak and helpless.
But everything a later, a much stronger Nazi-Germany did to get them back was of course boo boo for the so righteous Allies...

I'm really all for the people deciding where and with whom they want to live! Such grievances never go away, they need adressing.

but of course. As NATO lap dog- Georgia now expect that NATO reward their efforts in plan called `absolutely encircle Russia`. But, NATO now see that Russia is alive and kicking. Here, Georgia just play role of one of many NATO condoms. After all, who realy gives a s*** if condom endure or blow up

Cosaks are already in South Osetia.Where are the Chetnics?

out and arround Kosovo because there are no Cosacks on Kosovo, only NATO and mujas

Around or inside?

inside out, inside out