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RUSSIA IS TO POLAND WHAT TURKEY IS TO SOUTH SLAVS


rock  - | 428  
17 Aug 2009 /  #31
In 1923, according to an exchange agrement with Greece,

1.250.000 Romans left Turkey and settled in Greece,
400.000 Turks left Greece and settled in Turkey.

Today, there are 2.000 Romans living in Turkey and 150.000 Turks living in Greece.
Ironside  50 | 12387  
17 Aug 2009 /  #32
1.250.000 Romans left Turkey and settled in Greece,

you are talking culture/religion - I ask about genetics :)
rock  - | 428  
17 Aug 2009 /  #33
Some of them probably mixed with Turks of course. If any of them convert to islam then mixed with Turks. But as I said although 900 years passed 1.250.000 orthodox romans left Turkey which was % 20 of the population of Greece. Meanwhile some of them were christain Turks from Karaman.
Crow  154 | 9341  
18 Aug 2009 /  #34
you should forget about Polish help

i believe in Poland

somehow, Poland would arise
southern  73 | 7059  
18 Aug 2009 /  #35
I meant Romans

Romanians took the name after the roman legionnaires who settled at the country above Danube and were given pieces of land to defend the place from barbarian invasion.The system worked well in roman empire and the descendants of these roman soldiers became the today's Romanians whose language is a descendant of latin.

Greeks during byzantine times and ottoman occupation defined themselves as romioi which means roman citizens.This implied that they were citizens of the roman empire.
Lodz_The_Boat  32 | 1522  
18 Aug 2009 /  #36
Poland would arise

It will. But your ideologies need a repair. Already in another thread about it.

It will be interesting to see your reply to that issue there.

Otherwise will think that you always avoid the critical. However, like to speak more on temting high-adrenaline issues.

Its good to be concrete and clear.
Crow  154 | 9341  
18 Aug 2009 /  #37
It will be interesting to see your reply to that issue there.

ok

Its good to be concrete and clear.

Serbians would retake Kosovo-Metohija, as soon as possible. It would be concrete and clear move

let us just hope that Polish PM Tusk won`t force Poland to join in mujaheedine-NATO/EU attack on Serbia then

If ever happens that Polish NATO dominion attack Serbia, soldiers of dominion would confront army that would have insignias of Zawisha Czarny, Jan Sobieski and Wladislaw Warnenchyk on its flags. i can hardly imagine that Poles could side by side attack Serbians- practicaly their own people

Poles should rebel against NATO/EU if those conglomerates tries to use them against Serbs
southern  73 | 7059  
18 Aug 2009 /  #38
The only ones who can care about Slavs are the other Slavs.The West sees Slavs as weak.
They say it is globalization,if you are weak,it is your problem.We will exploit your weakness.
But the Serbs can come with their big balkan penis and reinforce true globalization.
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133  
18 Aug 2009 /  #39
What I have learned through strategic games never underestimate anyone, not even Rumenia

If it is REALLY true that the mujahedins massacrated loads of Serbs and becaouse of that Serbian troops started to walk into Kosovo territory to excecute thoose criminals and becaouse of that USA and NATO was sent there then... My god
Crow  154 | 9341  
19 Aug 2009 /  #40
Who are Bulgars ?

They are slavized Turks for sure.

no. its opposite

Bulgarians could be only turkinized Slavs
rock  - | 428  
19 Aug 2009 /  #41
Bulgarians could be only turkinized Slavs

Nonsense. Bulgarians don't accept that they have Turkic origin.
southern  73 | 7059  
19 Aug 2009 /  #42
They don't accept it because it is wrong.I can recognize a Bulgarian from a Turk.
rock  - | 428  
19 Aug 2009 /  #43
I can recognize a Bulgarian from a Turk.

We both know that you can not.
southern  73 | 7059  
19 Aug 2009 /  #44
Are you kidding me?Turks are dark and of mongol origin,Bulgarians look like southern Slavs.
Check out this site to see how Bulgarians look like. sladur.com
rock  - | 428  
19 Aug 2009 /  #45
Are you kidding me?Turks are dark and of mongol origin,Bulgarians look like southern Slavs

You have to read more about Turks. You can define Kurds as dark who are % 15 of the population.
In ancient history, Turks were a confederation of tribes who speak Turkic languages in a very large area from Mongolia to Khazar sea, Ukraine and Russia. Turks differs from slanting eyed to blonds. But the characteristics of an average Turk in Turkey which is from the Oğuz branch of Turkic nations are ; white skin, dark brown hair, brown eyes. Average height for man 1.73, woman 1.60.

In a Turkish family, it is very high percent to see black hair and blond hair, brown eyes and blue eyes in the members of the family.

So, to distinguish a Turk from a Bulgarian is not easy as they are also a slavized Turkic tribe.
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #46
Nonsense. Bulgarians don't accept that they have Turkic origin.

nonsense, of course. But you said that Bulgarians `are slavized Turks`. i only underlined that opposite of that could be more possible... that `Bulgarians could be turkinized Slavs` considering that Turks aren`t natives on Balkan but Slavs

They don't accept it because it is wrong.I can recognize a Bulgarian from a Turk.

well said

We both know that you can not.

i traveled thru Bulgaria and i can confirm that Bulgarians have Slavic apperance
Trevek  25 | 1699  
20 Aug 2009 /  #47
In any case, position and oppinion of majority in Macedonian nation is respected by Serbians.

I'm curious how Serbs felt when Macedonia allowed NATO forces to reside there during the Kosovo crisis.

Serbia liberated Macedonia from Ottoman Turkish rule.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a joint effort between Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians? Didn't Serbia and Greece then free a large portion of Macedonia from Bulgarian "occupation"?

The name is a hot potato.Ancient Macedonia was part of greek civilization,they were not Slavs.

You could use the same argument with Prussia, which was neither Slavic, Polish or German

Linguistically, I believe Macedonian is nearer to Bulgarian (Bulgarian sources say it is about 80% Bulgarian), especially as it has no cases (unlike Serbian).
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #48
I'm curious how Serbs felt when Macedonia allowed NATO forces to reside there during the Kosovo crisis.

nobody asked Macedonians. Nor their governmant, nor NATO

Macedonian Slavs are also targeted by Greater Albania and they were not happy because of NATO attack on Serbia, on the behalf of Albanian extremism and hegemonism

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a joint effort between Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians? Didn't Serbia and Greece then free a large portion of Macedonia from Bulgarian "occupation"?

joint, of course. Just, crucial KUMANOVO BATTLE (Serbs vs. Turks) for liberation of Slavic Macedonia in Balkan wars Serbian army won against Turks. It was battle when Turks were tottaly crashed and as a result they finaly retreated, practicaly out of Europe to the Bosfor river.

Bulgaria, Serbia, Greace and Montenegro (Crna Gora) were allays during Balkan Wars. Then, in time closely before start of WWI, Bulgaria turned to Austro-Hungarian/German side (Bulgarians had German on the throne). So, Bulgaria betrayed alliance with Serbia and attacked us.

You could use the same argument with Prussia, which was neither Slavic, Polish or German

Prussia was Slavic before was germanized and it is clear historical fact

Linguistically, I believe Macedonian is nearer to Bulgarian (Bulgarian sources say it is about 80% Bulgarian), especially as it has no cases (unlike Serbian).

and what you suggest, anexion of Macedonia by Bulgaria? i mean, if you follow conclusions of Bulgarian sources
southern  73 | 7059  
20 Aug 2009 /  #49
It was battle when Turks were tottaly crashed and as a result they finaly retreated, practicaly out of Europe to the Bosfor river.

They were also crashed in the battle of Giannitsa south of Thessaloniki by the greek army.

So, Bulgaria betrayed alliance with Serbia and attacked us.

Attacked also greek forces at the same time.
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #50
They were also crashed in the battle of Giannitsa south of Thessaloniki by the greek army.

It is also truth. But, Giannitsa is south of Thessaloniki in Greece. Liberation of Slavic Macedonia truly occured after Kumanovo battle (Serbs vs. Turks) in Macedonia. Actualy, Kumanovo battle ended Turkish dreams of domination over Balkans and their conquest on Europe and Slavic world.

Battle of Giannitsa
mlahanas.de/Greece/History/BattleOfGiannitsa.html

The battle took place on October 20/November 2, 1912. The Greek Army defeated the Ottomans, opening the way towards Thessaloniki.

Battle of Kumanovo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kumanovo

The Battle of Kumanovo... on 23 - 24 October 1912 was a major battle of the First Balkan War. It was an important Serbian victory over the Ottoman army in Vardar Macedonia, shortly after the outbreak of the war. After this defeat, the Ottoman army abandoned the major part of Vardar Macedonia, suffering heavy losses in manpower (mostly due to desertions) and in war material

the Battle of Kumanovo was decisive factor in the outcome of the war in Macedonia. The Ottoman plan for an offensive war had failed, Vardar Army was forced to abandon much territory and lost a significant number of artillery pieces without the possibility to reinforce

The Vardar Army was not able to organise the defense on Vardar River and was forced to abandon Skopje, retreating all the way to Prilep.

Attacked also greek forces at the same time.

truth
Trevek  25 | 1699  
20 Aug 2009 /  #51
No, indeed! I actually agree with you about Macedonian self-definition and determination. I was just commenting from a linguistic viewpoint, as someone previously had brought it up.
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #52
someone previously had brought it up.

yes, someone
Trevek  25 | 1699  
20 Aug 2009 /  #53
Sorry, the whole quoting and editting thing went weird on me and the last post is a mess.

Have you ever come across the old book called something like "Stara Serbija i Makedonia"?

It's in Serbian, from about 1902. It's a fascinating book with lots of old pictures of people and places. I showed it to a Macedonian friend of ine, who reads Serbian (I don't). She says it is quite funny, because the author was apparently paid by the Bulgarians to do an ethnographic account and show how the region of Macedonia was Bulgarian. He went around, talked to people and thenwrote about how it was actually Serbian!
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #54
AVE MARIA!

Slavija!

Down with NATO-Islamic league-Israely-EU axis!
southern  73 | 7059  
20 Aug 2009 /  #56
Battle of Kumanovo

And if the Italians had not intervened(with their goals revealed later) serbian and greek forces would have solved the albo problem from 1913.
Crow  154 | 9341  
20 Aug 2009 /  #57
Waiting

... your answer...

continue to wait

its good for soul ;)

southern

listen. Look at us. We are on Polish forums and Poles would get informations. False Polish friends from Britain and France can`t control all sources of information.... so,...

in their attempt to completely destroy Serbians and to demonize our morale image in media,... Italians and their German, Franch, USA, Israely and British friends exposed itself as real enemies of Poland. It is they (not Russia or Ukraine!) who attacked Polish interests, it is they who entered on Balkan (!old and traditional realm of Polish interests!) and, imposed Balkan Slavs to their mujaheedine allays. It is they who wants to destroy any hope of Polish elite that Polish power could be restored. It is they who wants weak Poland, without her own interests... so that they (Britain, France, Germany and USA) could do to/with Poland whatever is suitable to them. It is they, who sent message to all other Slavs (to Polish Slavs) that `Slavs must obey or must be destroyed`.

BUT, now is obvious. Poland learned
Lodz_The_Boat  32 | 1522  
20 Aug 2009 /  #58
its good for soul

Ur the crow which always avoid the trap :)

Poland learned

We learnt to make Gadu Gadu english so that we can chat with USA, Britain, German and French friends... also some friends from countries where a few Mujaheedine lived.
southern  73 | 7059  
20 Aug 2009 /  #59
A globalization under slavic rule would be a marvellous time.
Lodz_The_Boat  32 | 1522  
20 Aug 2009 /  #60
How about if the future slavs start looking like Barak Obama?

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