Poland Rejects US Missile Shield (talks will continue...)

Poles complained when the US was going to build it, now Poles complain it's not.

I dont have to live next door to Russia, so it doesnt matter to me if they build it or not?

I am very glad we did this. I could never understand why do we want to be an unpaid policeman for the rest of the world, bleed our budget to death to do it and in return have the people in the countries we protect hate us.

If it was up to me, I would pull out from every single country, including Germany, Korea, Saudi Arabia and so on.

Stop the foreign aid program also, we could save billions

First Poles were complaining they don't want a missile built, acting tough, but now when it's not going up, they freak out claiming the US won't protect them from Russia.

Whatever we do will never satisfy Poles. They always have to complain about something and they are always right.
America should never abolish visas to the US.

They never will because 1/2 the Poles never return home when there supposed too, you know how they are about breaking rules, any kind of rule as long as they think theyre getting away with something.

Limeys dont need Visas because the come here visit, then return properly on time:)
Ive never met an Illegal Limey looking for a job..lol

While its good that we didnt bend over at this point we should immidiately withdraw from Irak and Afghanistan and at a later date place a visa duty on US citizens coming to Poland.


We did not want the shield, our goverment enforced it on us but we also didnt want to be treated like trash by US.


We freak out because you treat us like a beggar without dignity and guess what? We have some.

Personally i think its time to sever our "alliance" with US and retain only purely businesslike relationship and ties with NATO, US is clearly f*cking with us.


Interesting fact, US doesnt keep statistics on Poles who stay illegaly.

Question, are you one of those dirty kunts who after staying for some time in US try to be more american then the founding fathers? Your nickname sounds Polish.

Sokrates, if you didn't want the missile shield then why are you so angry?

The US is trying to appease Russia, in this case, by keeping the missile shield out of Eastern Europe. It's better than going against the Bear and putting it there anyway. That could cause all kinds of problems for Eastern Europe. It would be a disaster. This is the only option since Russia is so close. Why alienate them so they might pull something?

If the US didn't care the govt would say, "to hell with it, that shield will go where we damn well want it", regardless of consequences. Obama is on the television talking about the Missile shield now...

You should!
You now need it yourself more...


forbes.com/2009/09/15/europe-richest-region-markets-economy-assets.html

The fact is that every time something is brewing in the world, is it genocide in Yugoslavia, pirates of the cost of Somalia, or Russia bulling Europeans around, everyone cries for the US for help. This needs to end. Simple as that.

Next time the Russians are threatening their neighbors, ask France or Germany to build a missile defence system for you, or spend $50 billion from your own packet.

Typical Polish belief. Just because you need a visa you feel like a begger. There were visas to Poland, did we feel like beggers? We could care less, big deal. Why do the Poles feel like they have to be bigger and better than everyone else? Why you trying to come here anyway? And once you're here, all you care about is how much money you make. That's what America is to Poland, MONEY. We live here, we pay taxes, we are poor, homeless like everywhere else in the world, but that is overshadowed by the image America portrays as being rich and Poles see that image and it transforms into MONEY!!!! You come here and don't obey the rules, (you make your own rules) and cheat and lie just to get ahead. Poles give a bad image in America by walking around drunk, stealing and lying and act like they are better because they came to America.

And the INS does have information on the illegals, except they hide all over Chicago and can't find them.
Look what's happening in England? They can't stand you there

I don't blame him.. it's hard to read some of the bullsh!t people on here spew without getting a little worked up sometimes..

We are together in the NATO...if the US want's to shed it's responsibilities as in help if one member state should be attacked it should leave...but it won't so this point is moot.

And if you hint at Georgia....as everybody and his grandmom should know by now this was a political gamble by Saakashvili gone bad, not more, not less.

Idiot who want's to meddle in such an affair - not to mention building a missile system to support such a nut....

Most people in Europe and also in the concerned countries where against that shield on their soil - the Bushies pushed this project nonetheless...THAT should tell you something...

The Bear is a reality. It's not going to go away just because the US puts a shield up. What we need is diplomacy and a long term peace strategy.

hmm.. the shield isn't scrapped at all. i just read his speech and it's being revamped. poland is still part of the plan.

Then what's all this talk about it being a catastrophe? I thought the Obama adminstration was shifting to a mobile missile shield plan to spare Eastern Europe tension with Russia?

he didn't really specify.. he said that he's still working with PL and CZ on this.. hmm

edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/17/united.states.missile.shield/index.html


Well...it brought tears to the eyes of some anonymus spokesperson...I think we can be fairly sure it's scrapped!

here is BO speech.. you tell if he said it's scrapped:


Link? And next time, less than 100 words quoted.

"Diplomatic speech" anybody?

The Russians are very sure that it's scrapped too...
spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,649732,00.html


I wonder about that one too...

I dont need a visa i hold a dual Polish/American citizenship, i feel Polish though i live in Poland and hopefully always will, i do however feel that after all the support USA received from Poland they owe us even symbolic concessions, i do not feel like a beggar i feel humiliated that my goverment is unable to stand its ground against an arrogant nation of rednecks who spit in our face despite the support given to them.


Because when you really needed political support for Iraq Polands voice was what salvaged your position in Europe, otherwise Europe would stand negative as a single block and it could lead to deep division between US and EU, if it happens again its doubtfull you will receive any support whatsoever, Poles are currently dissilusioned with US.


I dont, i earn more than most middle class yanks here at home and most Poles dont feel like moving to US anyway, US never presented statistics because it holds none, it feels more and more like baseless prejudice by a bunch of rednecks you are rather than serious objections.


Let me educate you since we both have different opinion and you being a bloody idiot have a misguided one.

America was to Poland for a very long time a certain ideal, welfare, liberty and freedom, it was denied to us since our partitions because We were in the middle of Europe but You living on your island could do it, thats what America was to most of us, an ideal.

Of course then we woke up to the reality of you being cynical greedy rednecks who dont give a crap and only our goverment remains kissing your arse but even that wont last since people are (and rightly so) less and less pro American.


I cant really comment on that in any other way then you being a prejudice cvnt and full of sh*t like a public toilet during the Rolling Stones concert.

Poles are some of the oldest and hardest working minorities in US, before Greenpoint got overrun by colored monkeys that you love so much it was one of the tidiest city districts, i've been to US more times then i was to Germany and i live 80miles from the border and i never saw a drunk Pole.

I've seen fat Americans, people who dont know how many states their country had, i've seen a lot of things that made me enjoy Poland and realise the "american dream" got squashed by fat butts of your overweight uneducated kids who live like animals in what passes for subburbs in your goddamn human hives so take your prejudice and arrogance and shove it up your lardass rectum sister.


He did, thats as close as you get in diplomatic language.

Dude, you have a ginormous chip on your shoulder or something. First you say that it was an insult to Poland for the US to offer a free missile shield. Now you say that it's also an insult for the US not to build you a shield. You see where I'm going with this? I just have a hard time understanding your logic...

Honestly, if you hate America so much, why do you still hold on to your the US Passport? Shouldn't you return it and give up US citizenship?

You have never offered us anything free, in fact there was a scandal when it was revealed you tried to have our previous goverment pay for the installation when it was you who wanted it there in the first place.


Apparently you have a comprehension issue so i'll keep it simple.

1. It was an insult for you to try and build a shield here while making Poland pay for it.
2. It was an insult for you to back out over Polands head in such a way.

You dont come to someone going "hey we want to build this house on your land but we want you to pay for it and we wont give you anything for that either." (because one battery of Patriots is a joke by any standard)

The guy agrees because he's your guillible friend, he antagonizes his neighbours who dont want to see that house built and then you go to these neighbours and agree not to built the house on your guillible friends land.

The result is that your friend feels f*cked by you because he first agreed to make such concessions just because you wanted him to and is left with neighbours who dont like him because of your actions.

Simple enough?

Of course our Polish goverment is also to blaim since they're a bunch of political asskissing wh0res but the point stands, we need to keep away from US like it was a pile of steaming dung, which from Polish pov it slowly becomes.


I dont hate America, i hate its policies toward Poland, as for the country itself i'm just unimpressed with it, as for passport, i got a lot of family over there and thats about the only reason why i went there or kept the passport.

Dude, you're not getting the US missile defence shield, so be happy. What are you still complaining about?

Read above, we just lost an enormous amount of political capital, especially with Russia, all thanks to US action, if you didnt understand the above post i'll write you a nice diagram, in red crayon.

It looks to me like you have some major issues, that's all. You are hard to please, that's for sure :D

Not at all, US could come up with a bazilion excuses that would let them pull out of the venture and let us keep our face in Europe, right now flashing news are "US shat on Poland".

US: "We'll give you a missile defence system"
Socrates.pl: "You insult me!"
US: "OK, forget about it"
Socrates.pl: "You insult me!"

See what my point is? I simply have a hard time following your logic. Anyways, I'm glad there is no more missile shield, because I don't want to pay for it, and you're glad... Wait a minute, you're still not glad... Whatever.

aaaah but there IS a missile shield :]