Nazism in Poland - A recipe for mass suicide?

I just can't see how anyone can take a symbol for "well being" and use it for sth completely opposite. It makes no sense to me. I guess the nazis in the 20's were pretty unartistic and couldn't use their own brain. Dweebs :)

Who would steal a symbol anyway?

ROFL

Hint: Watch the vid...it can't become even more Nazi! :)

If you don't believe it watch this...they even used a german neo-nazi song about a Waffen-SS grandpa "cleaning up" Russia:

youtube.com/watch?v=r1uR95pQhsM

I have a Nazi flag at my house that my grandfather captured. I was thinking of selling on ebay, but I figured I'd keep it and pass it down along with the stories and pictures from the war.

I can't see why any Russian would dance and sing nazi songs. These are prob kids that don't know any better. Want to look cool.

Good point, Fisz. Hitler and his bunch were kitchy and vulgar, just as Stalin and his bunch were. Compare how similar Nazi and Commie art is - the same pompous mammoth figures and architecture. Yuch.

The germans used the Roman salute because they believed they were the inheritors of the Romans and that they were the 20th century Romans.

I think they perhaps believed themselves to be superior to the Romans because they believed they had once beat up the Romans.

The great George Orwell called the 20th century the century of mass delusions....
:)

Or Hitler had a complex because he only had 1 testicle. Really short people and men with 1 tecticle can be b******s :)

damn Daf.....you're quick ;)

I think calling nazis b******s should be allowed. He was the biggest mother flapper in history.

Hmmm...you mean looking and behaving like Nazis makes cool?

But...they HAD nice uniforms! :)

I don't disagree but i must be impartial, i cant allow some swearing and not others.

no matter how merited.

Im surprised there is nazism in Poland to be honest, but there you go, there everywhere I guess still.

More like as in inheritors!

Not only was the roman Empire at his end german...also central european was once called "holy roman empire of german nation"....or the first Reich!

(With the Leibstandarte being the "praetorian guard")


Just surf YouTube....neo-nazi vids from lot's of countries...not "still" but "again"....

for gay men :)


talk about re-write history :) you are one hell of an idiot pff

No way. Their helmets looked like the head of a D***. They were all gay.


The Dude abides daf :)

Not only uniforms. Basically if it didn't had this negative connotation attached to it I'm sure a lot of designers would openly admit their admiration to the III Reichs "style" in clothes, etc.


I wouldn't say that there is racism in Poland. Those are just some youngsters that watched too many films and think that the skinhead movement is all about Hitler, ubermenschen, etc. As I said before, it’s an underground of an underground. If not an underground of an underground of an underground. :)

Your point being?

"...The Holy Roman Empire was a mainly Germanic conglomeration of lands in Central Europe during the Middle Ages and the early modern period. It was also known as the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation from the late 15th century onwards.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

"...The year 476 is generally accepted as the end of the Western Roman Empire. That year, Orestes refused the request of Germanic mercenaries in his service for lands in Italy. The dissatisfied mercenaries, including the Heruli, revolted. The revolt was led by the Germanic chieftain Odoacer. Odoacer and his men captured and executed Orestes. Within weeks, Ravenna was captured and Romulus Augustus was deposed, the event that has been traditionally considered the fall of the Roman Empire, at least in the West. Odoacer quickly conquered the remaining provinces of Italy..."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#The_End_of_the_Roman_Empire

Who is the idiot here Amy?

LOL

Ouch. :)

Dude says Holy or not. TWISTED empire was like it

re: damn Daf.....you're quick ;) I think calling nazis b******s should be allowed. He was the biggest mother flapper in history

- Fisz, does it mean that daffy removed a post where the nazis are called 'b*******s'?
:)

re: Im surprised there is nazism in Poland

- Is there? Prove it.

Buttworst states: More like as in inheritors! Not only was the roman Empire at his end german... [sic]

- So the germans believe the Roman empire was eventually german, i.e. was dominated by them, the germans? Where's the proof that Odoacer has anything in common with, say, schroeder, merkel, or such buttworst? :)))))))))))))

Oh God, here you've got the European imbecilism: the germans believe they are Romans and so do the Italians (which is even a more ridiculous delusion), others believe they are the ancient Celts, Greeks, Dacians, Gauls....

It's all the racial pride and an attempt to lift one's national self-esteem, isn't it?

Norman Davies (author of a tolerable but surely not the best history of Poland) suggests we Poles came once from Iran.

Should we brag about being the ancient Aryas or Aryans?

And one german Zarathustra by the name of Nietzche used to say proudly that he was Polish, not german....
:)

*sigh*

Just some googling would help you out: warsawvoice.pl/view/4130/

"...The operation brought results in Poland as well. In late October, Polish special services received information from the British about an increased frequency of contacts between Polish and British neo-Nazis. What is certain is that Polish extremists published and distributed forbidden brochures and other materials. It is likely that in return, they received financial support, while members of Polish neo-Nazi groups were trained in Western Europe...."

chechentimes.org/en/refugees/?id=20719

"...Polish neo-Nazis have raided a camp housing Chechen refugees near Warsaw, the Chechenpress news agency reported Tuesday...."

dokmz.wordpress.com/2006/03/31/radio-polonia-skinheads-assault-holocaust-lecturer/

"...Police in the north-eastern city of Białystok are investigating an incident involving an assault on a teacher who lectures on the Holocaust by a group of Polish neo-Nazis..."

theredcard.ie/news/2006/05/neo-nazis-target-world-cup.html

"...."The hooligan scene has become a prime penetration target for organised neo-Nazis," he said. The far-right group Blood and Honour has infiltrated the fan clubs of Wroclaw, Gdansk and Lodz. Each club in Poland, according to Filip Janczak, of the Poznan Supporters Association, has a hooligan cell, often just a handful of young men. It swells for grudge matches up to 400...."

nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-poland.html

"...Hard-core racist Skinheads in Poland total approximately 2,000, along with twice that number of supporters and hangers-on. Skinhead activity has been observed in Warsaw, Krakow (especially the steel-producing suburb of Nowa Huta), Lodz, Katowice, Wroclaw (Breslau), Gdansk, Gdynia, Poznan, Sopot, Szczecin, Pulawy, Czestochowa and Legnica..."

etc....


No...YOU stated that the Nazis probably felt superior to the Romans where I brought evidence that they saw themselves rather in the tradition, as the inheritors of the roman empire.

If you have problems to recap your own posts it's no wonder that you don't understand what other posters try to tell you...maybe I should type slower?


Lot's of todays Italy was part of Charlemagnes Imperium which got parted after his death (also what is now France and what is now Germany)...add to that the germanic Lombards or South Tyrol (a former austrian province) you got a lot of german influence in Italy...

here a map for you:



Just for you...the WHOLE territory (yes the green, the yellow AND the orange) were once the Empire of Karl des Großen aka Charlemagne.

But I doubt a German speaks of himself as Celt, Greek, Dacian or as Gaul...why should he?


No...it's all about history, facts...and yes....we have a proud past! :)


Why not...did you?


I don't think you are actually knowledgeable enough to "bragg" about history with me...so...no thanks!

PS: Nietzsche actually said he were proud of his polish descent....and?
I just wonder why his name wasn't something like: Niecziekowski...or such :)

I have seen swastikas in Katowice and anti-jewish grafitti. So they are here. The grafitti is removed but the swastikas come back.

Buttworst gives quotes from his Google search as the alleged proof of the existence of 'Nazism' in Poland. (Before, he quoted wikipedia... What does it say about his intellectual level? :))

Now the word used in the quotes is 'neo-Nazi,' not 'Nazi.'

No explanation is given what is understood by the word.

From my own experience, the word is an absurd term, coming from the rhetorical arsenal of the commiefascist press, similar in its absurdity to terms such as 'anti-Semitism' and 'Western Europe.'

Thus you haven't given any proof of the existence of 'Nazism' in Poland, buttworst.

Hm, I start doubting is buttworst is German; he seems to be too stupid to be one. Would he be e.g. a Russki provocateur attempting to pass as a German?

:)

That I'm able to use the net and you seemingly not?

Today the real "Nazis" are either already dead or at least very soon.

NAZIS means actually National Socialists, a party which is since 1945 non-existent.
ALL todays younger generation Nazis are Neo-Nazis....no need for word games actually...if Neo or not!

There is nothing wrong with terms like "anti-semitism" or "western Europe".


If you have problem with understanding of articles it's not my problem...not really..


Why am I stupid?
Because I have a grasp on european history? Because I can google? Because I use Wiki? Because I know about polish neo-nazis?

Ooookaaaay....then I have to bear my cross....call me stupid!

LOL

You should help him out Pat...our ***** is making himself looking more and more ridiculous!

It's embarassing actually.....:(

Hey....okay....is Puzzy allowed? :)

Wow, buttworst tries to carry on a 'polemic' with me. Let's have a closer look at his statements.

re: YOU stated that the Nazis probably felt superior to the Romans where I brought evidence that they saw themselves rather in the tradition, as the inheritors of the roman empire.

- Give a quote where I state that the Nazis probably felt superior to the Romans. Also, quote the alleged evidence you 'brought' that the Nazis saw themselves rather in the tradition, etc. Your posting shows you 'brought' no evidence in this respect; you only 'brought' the following phrase (in bad English): 'More like as in inheritors!'

re: Lot's of todays Italy was part of Charlemagnes Imperium which got parted after his death (also what is now France and what is now Germany)...add to that the germanic Lombards or South Tyrol (a former austrian province) you got a lot of german influence in Italy...

- Well, but Charlemagne wasn't a german only a Germanic ruler, was he? Now there's a world of difference between something being Germanic and german. For instance, English is considered a Germanic language, which doesn't mean it's German. Now what would Charlemagne have in common with merkel, cohn-bandit, or buttworst (provided the latter is really german, and not e.g. austrian)?! :))))))))))) Yes, Charlemagne's empire split into three parts which much later became France, Italy and germany. The present-day French, Italians and germans have very little in common with the population inhabiting those three parts of Charlemagne territory. These three are actually dying out. And buttworst's god - hitler - was actually of Jewish origin (see e.g. John Toland's biography of Hitler).

re: But I doubt a German speaks of himself as Celt, Greek, Dacian or as Gaul...why should he?

- Did I ever claim that a german speaks of himself as Celt, Greek, etc.? - But perhaps I should? I remember one german trying to prove that 'the Celts' were the original inhabitants of germany. :)))

re: we have a proud past!

- Your 'pride' seems to be based on delusions rather than facts about the past.

re: I don't think you are actually knowledgeable enough to "bragg" about history with me...so...no thanks!

- Do you mean I am ignorant about history? - Prove it. Hehe, you won't 'bragg' with me about history because you're scared your ignorance and stupidity will show even clearer. You seem to project on me your own ignorance and dullness.

:)

He does fine on his own..I said what I had to say, which is I cant stand nazi's
I like germans, those who didnt engage in hurting.. my thoughts are human
life is more important, no superior anything. we all have to survive and live
amongst each other, so stupid people will act stupid burning crap while I go
on with what I need to do.

like I said, I have a cousin who " thinks" this way.. I prefer to keep him at a distance
I couldnt imagine what his kids will think when they get older and ask questions
about why.. we had incidents here in the states with a few " idiots" who actually
killed alot of people including children in a federal building.. what was his purpose?

if you support that bratworst, I dont respect you at all. life is too important, weve
come beyond all this uncivilized behavior, so we still have radicals who think its
power they want? would you want someone to come rip out from under your family
their homes? cars? lives?

everyone has something to be proud of their history, and should be, to extents...
if it was my countrymen who did awful acts. I will feel the remorse and not rub it in
their faces, because thats the uncivilized untactful way to be. and before you go into
the iraq war thing, yes I hate that as well, so dont even compare it to what I am
talking about now, because its a whole nother issue.

we have these radicals here in the states and when I see it on tv I think what
a bunch of brainwashed idiots..I would never follow some stupid group, thats what
you are too.. a follower, not a leader...

Ohgodohgod Puzzy....do you suffer brain drain?

your post:

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I think they perhaps believed themselves to be superior to the Romans because they believed they had once beat up the Romans.

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*sigh*
I showed you that Germany has quite a "roman Empire" Past...even calling himself similiar....why do you think Hitler called his Reich the "Third", huh?

Modern English are a mix of Angles, Jutes and Saxons (to a big part at least), that makes them of Germanic heritage.

Modern French are in a big part a mix of Franks, Normans (germanic) and celtic/gaulish tribes...which makes lots of them of Germanic heritage.

Modern Germans are a mix of many germanic tribes which makes them of Germanic heritage.

Modern Italians (especially northern Italians) have over the time of 2000 years gotten a heavy influx of german blood. Started with german soldiers and later whole tribes settling in what was once Rome.

Now what do they all have in common.....hmmmm....wait......

Oh they were...before the Germanics started to leave Scandinavia and wandered into mainland Europe Celts settled there for awhile....but they stood no chance against the warriors from the north!


What makes you say so?

I don't think you could even refute ONE little fact I brought....says all!


Erm....and what does all this (surely interesting for someone else ) have to do with the historical discourse Puzzy has with me?

re: Today the real "Nazis" are either already dead or at least very soon...NAZIS means actually National Socialists, a party which is since 1945 non-existentALL ...

- Well, as I understand, according to you the Nazis are either dead, or shall be dead very soon, and they are non-existent at the same time.

re: todays younger generation Nazis are Neo-Nazis

- And now you suggest that Nazis actually exist but they are 'Neo-Nazis' (sic).

So do Nazis actually exist or not?

And what do the words 'Nazi' and 'neo-Nazi' mean?

re: Why am I stupid?

- You are stupid because you are unable to question your convictions about history (and, inevitably, about other things).

re: Because I have a grasp on european history?

- I have proven you are ignorant about European history. Another evidence of your stupidity is that you are convinced you know a lot about European history and try to put down somebody more knowledgeable and superior intellectually to you, i.e. myself. If you were clever you would show respect and humbleness towards me.

:)
PS. Google and wikipedia are good sources of information for idiots only. Can you ever get to know why? I doubt it.

Come on brat, you cant engage in regular conversation? does it have to be a battle?

ROFL

Okay....once again....slowly:

The REAL stuff...the TRUE Nazis as in members of the NSDAP in Germany (because that is the origin) are today either already dead or will be soon.

Not to mention that the NSDAP vanished 1945.

So the using of the word NAZI is not correct actually!
EVERYBODY who today follows those believes and dogmen is only a NEO....but since the true are no longer existent it is also not important if you use it or not.

Some prefer Nazis, some prefer Neo-Nazis...who cares!

It's a bit complicated Puzzy but mull it over....try it....:)


I'm ignorant about European history?

SAYS YOU???? ROFL

Sucks to lose arguments, doesn't it? *hugs Puzzy compassionately*


Okay...let's talk!

*smiles friendly to Pat*

Patrycja, I don't know if you realize, but I think you are one of the "best" troll feeders on this forum.

It has to do with you coming in here, telling everyone they are not as intelligent as you
are and intelligence starts with being civilized.. sorry to say , but people gain more
respect when they actually feel something....

all your doing is going back and forth with Puzzler.. I am done.. I know far smarter
germans and they actually feel bad about the past, and they lived thru it. and cant
stand Nazi's or any other type of group like this.

as for Poland having them, if they do, they are not of Polish decent..

So no talk? *snif* :(

Troll Changers,, correction!!! I am sure eventually they want to join and actually
be friendly.. whats wrong with that?? :)


yes, its calmed down now, my puter was slowin up
must be you and puzzy hard at the keyboard !! lol