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What can Poland do to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?


JamesLondon 1 | 26  
20 Jun 2007 /  #61
Wow Firestud we agree on something, so you just hate Americans?

I don't hate any nationality Mr.Kruk; however, I do have a problem with people who are highly explosive, temperamental, can't take criticism & shoot first before asking any intelligent questions.

Unfortunately, most (not all) of the Americans I've come accross have this typical "gung-ho" attitude. The response I got from your "yank gang" only served to prove my point further.

So, in a nutshell, I have no issues with good Americans who are straightforward, believe in "fairplay" and can accept criticism with good humour.

Furthermore, I have a serious problem with global American hegemony.
daffy 23 | 1,500  
20 Jun 2007 /  #62
What can Poland do to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?

please bring back to topic
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
20 Jun 2007 /  #63
What can Poland do to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?

Nothing!

Being now a member of the EU brings not only the good (lot's of money and connections) but also the bad as in Poland has to allow foreign people to wander around in your land and look for work and even to settle where they want.

The moment Poland gets richer and more attractive they will come and invade like locusts.
Now it are Poles who invade England and other richer EU-countries, soon it will be Turks from Germany, Arabs from France or Pakis from GB who will run to Poland...and many will stay.

(Not to mention all the poor new EU-members whose people are now grasping the first chance of a better life and will pack their bag and wander to Poland)

There is NOTHING you can do against it because that is one of the many laws you subscribed you as you gained entry.
Every move from you to hinder that is a move against EU-law and they will kick you out...then....no money anymore!
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
20 Jun 2007 /  #64
The moment Poland gets richer and more attractive they will come and invade like locusts.Now it are Poles who invade England and other richer EU-countries, soon it will be Turks from Germany, Arabs from France or Pakis from GB who will run to Poland...and many will stay.

Adolf, my dear fellow, I thought you shot yourself in the head. Did you survive because there was nothing in there? How are you keeping these days....;-)

Do you have any idea how racist/nationalistic, not to mention ignorant, you are?

Controlled immigration is vital to the success of a country; that is why the UK is thriving. We owe a lot to the immigrants, including the poles. Your country is the loser for barring the poles from working there without a permit.

Therefore, Poland should always maintain it's ethnic identity but it should not be achieved by resorting to nationalistic attitudes.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
20 Jun 2007 /  #65
Ooopsie...swinging the Nazi club again the moment someone disagrees with you?
Typically lefty...and losing value more and more! I feel so hurt....not! :)
The future will show how much immigration a country can stand....

PS: I don't know about GB but most immigrants to Germany are NOT highly skilled, good educated specialists but barely literate farmworkers or plumbers...Germany (and I guess the UK too) is thriving right now DESPITE them not because of them..

But of course maybe introducing the turkish Döner into german cuisine WAS a great cultural achievement and we can't do without anymore...

PPS: YES, I'm nationalist and anti-multikulti and I do my best to be as politically incorrect as possible! RESISTANCE!!!
Crow 159 | 9,006  
20 Jun 2007 /  #66
PPS: YES, I'm nationalist and anti-multikulti and I do my best to be as politically incorrect as possible! RESISTANCE!!!

Wellcome to club. Serbs already resist to Germany/Britain/Turkey/Saudi Arabia/USA/NATO/EU- which colaborate with Al Qaeda and mujheedines.
espana 17 | 949  
20 Jun 2007 /  #67
YES, I'm nationalist and anti-multikulti

Wellcome to club

i do like more poland and croatia than germany and serbia........
crow ....why you wellcome a person who is anti - multikuti?

so what is multikulti?,,
multicultural? and dont say is a german radio!!!!!!
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
20 Jun 2007 /  #68
so what is multikulti?,,
multicultural? and dont say is a german radio!!!!!!

It's actual a discussion about the future about german society...but that discussion also happens in GB or in France and soon will come to Poland the more it opens up.

It's about the "Leitkultur" of the native people (Religion, customs, traditions, worldview, values) against the old lefty dream of multiculturalism (where all cultures and values are equal even if they are absolute foreign to the native majority...that means for example german society with values of equal rights for women has to accept and bow to muslimic value that wome are second class because that's their culture and we have to accept it as such)...

You can read about here:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitkultur

"....The idea of multiculturalism, was "perhaps originally well-intentioned", but had reached the end of its useful life. Multiculturalism could not be allowed to create a society where all values were equal - and therefore in practice had no values. In conflicts of values, society had to decide which values were valid, and which were not...."

Am I Off Topic now? :(
espana 17 | 949  
20 Jun 2007 /  #69
that means for example german society with values of equal rights for women has to accept and bow to muslimic value that wome are second class because that's their culture and we have to accept it as such)...

oh dear i m with you now i agree , yes is sad that dont let this people do this to your country
if you go to live in a country with different cultures/beliefs to your own you should not enflict your cultures/beliefs on others and spoil their environment.

e.g. some cultures do not believe in using deodrant and body odours are natural and accepted. please have some respect for others because YOU STINK!!!!!!
jake 2 | 17  
20 Jun 2007 /  #70
Just been reading some of the posts here - particularly Bratwurst boys.
I dont know anything about you or your backgound.

I have a little girl who seems to be growing up very quickly.
i want her to grow up respecting people from all cultures and religions.
I certainly do not want her growing up thinking she is somehow more valuable or worthy than someone else just because she comes from a rich country.

Just intriqued as what you will (or have?) tell your children - that you are superior somehow.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
20 Jun 2007 /  #71
Congratulations to your little girl!

I hope she never gets hurt by someone who thinks he has to punish her for living a free live just because his holy book says she isn't allowed too...

If YOU can respect this view and subsequent actions okay...I can't! My fault....I know :(

And yes....I think our western european values superior....but then it's just my fault again too! Silly me! :(
.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1244406,00.html

.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/27/w turk27.xml
espana 17 | 949  
20 Jun 2007 /  #72
i dont recall him saying anything about being superior only that he wants to retain the culture of his country.
jake 2 | 17  
20 Jun 2007 /  #73
e.g. some cultures do not believe in using deodrant and body odours are natural and accepted. please have some respect for others because YOU STINK!!!!!!

sorry espana, after writing something like that. I cant even be bothered to continue.
Have a good evening
joepilsudski 26 | 1,388  
20 Jun 2007 /  #74
Eat lots of pierogi, kapusta & kielbasa with pivo.
miranda  
20 Jun 2007 /  #75
I cant even be bothered to continue.

good choice. With Bratwurst being on this forum for sometime I am less likely to even read it anymore. He is very biased.
Justyna69  
20 Jun 2007 /  #76
So many countries in Europe are overrun with dark-skinned people from the third-world. Germany has its Turkish problem, France has its Arab problem, England has it Pakistani/Negro problem

Following your statement, I wouldn't be surprised if someone from England or from any other country will come up with something like "we have a Polish problem. Would you like to hear it? I'm pretty sure, you wouldn't. So I suggest think twice before you make another thoughtless comment like those before about racial problems in the western countries becuase it might (I'm sure it will) backfire on you.
espana 17 | 949  
20 Jun 2007 /  #77
if you go to live in a country with different cultures/beliefs to your own you should not enflict your cultures/beliefs on others and spoil their environment.
e.g. some cultures do not believe in using deodrant and body odours are natural and accepted. please have some respect for others because YOU STINK!!!!!!

what is wrong jake? i didnt say nothing bad i didnt say any countrys in particular but is true and this is in internet too

google!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crow 159 | 9,006  
20 Jun 2007 /  #78
Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
YES, I'm nationalist and anti-multikulti

Quoting: Crow
Wellcome to club

i do like more poland and croatia than germany and serbia........
crow ....why you wellcome a person who is anti - multikuti?

Don`t pull my comment out of context. This is exactly what I said...

``Wellcome to club. Serbs already resist to Germany/Britain/Turkey/Saudi Arabia/USA/NATO/EU- which colaborate with Al Qaeda and mujheedines.``

I support true multiculturalism, not false proposed with double standards of so called Western governmants.

Just to ask... because you probably know what you speak

When you say Croat...

- you mean real Croat from real Croatia region (three towns- Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin), kajkavski speaking region (real Croatian)

- you mean Croat as citizen of extended Croatia or Croatian hegemony or Greater Croatia (today`s Croatia)- in official use Serbian language (they wont` tell you that but, EU parliament surprisingly admited that)

- you mean real Croats togather with by force and cultural violance Craotinized Catholic Serbs

- you mean on Serbs who were first Orthodox Serbs and then by force converted to Catholic Croats

- you mean both - old Catholic Serbs and newely converted Catholic Croats who originates from Orthodox Serbs and plus real Croats, etc, etc...

What you mean, man? In the same time, Serbs are just Serbs, today mostly Orthodox and some were Catholics (today just there is small grupation of them in Belgrade and on the north of Voivodina- Bunjevci).

Listen, you can`t compare Poland with Croatia.

Why?

Poland (Polish nation) is consolidate nation and Croats are nation in formation and to underline in formation by brutal force in great political anti-Serbian and anti-Slavic game.

...and, to inform you- it is Serbia who survived as multiethnic state after Civil War was finished and- Voivodina, Serbian province where I live is unique example of multiculturalism in Europe.

Eat lots of pierogi, kapusta & kielbasa with pivo.

Sounds good
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148  
20 Jun 2007 /  #79
Nothing!

Being now a member of the EU brings not only the good (lot's of money and connections) but also the bad as in Poland has to allow foreign people to wander around in your land and look for work and even to settle where they want.

The moment Poland gets richer and more attractive they will come and invade like locusts.
Now it are Poles who invade England and other richer EU-countries, soon it will be Turks from Germany, Arabs from France or Pakis from GB who will run to Poland...and many will stay.
(Not to mention all the poor new EU-members whose people are now grasping the first chance of a better life and will pack their bag and wander to Poland)

I see you making some sense for the first time, but still I can't agree with some things. Poland would have to be seriosly richer than France, Germany or UK to make large numbers of non Europeans from these countries move here and although Poland should quite fast reach economical level quite close (let's say 80%) to western Europe, but there are many structural problems, so getting the same level of developement will be much harder and seriosly richer than w. Europe is practically impossible unless we find huge sources of oil or gold here simply because once Poland become a rich country, companies will start moving to poorer countries with lower costs of workers, so economocal growth will slow down. Besides there's a language problem, without being fluent in Polish they won't get a job here except most skilled and the least skilled or teaching foreign languages, but in the first case that's very few people and rather not people we are talking about, in the 2nd case that won't be attractive for them and in 3rd that's no so many people either. People from Ukraine or Belarus are not the problem as they are the same ethnic group, people from Bulgaria or Romania are not bad either (unless they are Gypsies). Besides now I don't think that we have even 100 thousand non-Europeans here (usually Vietnamise) and as much as I am against "muliticulturalism", there won't be a tragedy If the number increase to 200, 300 or even 400 thousand, because problems begins only when there are millions and that won't happen here for sure, at least not in the next 20 years.
Puzzler 9 | 1,088  
21 Jun 2007 /  #81
Buttheworst scribbles:
Now it are Poles who invade England and other richer EU-countries, soon it will be Turks from Germany, Arabs from France or Pakis from GB who will run to Poland...and many will stay.

- What do you mean that the Poles invade England and other richer EU countries? - They come to these countries legally, and are in fact encouraged by their governments to come. Since 2004, there have always been contless job offers in Poland and in Polish, from the UK, and other EU and non-EU (e.g. Norway) countries. So you compare us Poles to Turks, Arabs, and 'Pakis,' kraut? Would you compare to them your own countryvolk who used to come to the UK en masse e.g. in 1980s? Unlike us Poles, who are generally liked and appreciated in the UK, and only are attacked by the media psychopaths there (who are enthusiasts of a Thirld World 'multiculturalism' in Britain), the germans weren't welcome by both the UK press and population. And now some Poles tell me that those germans who stayed in Britain are among the firecest attackers of the Polish guest workers there. Anyhow, would you also compare those germans in UK to Arabs, Turks and Pakistanis? Would you say they tried to invade England? - Is your use of the word 'invade' a projection on us Poles the blame for the real attempt in invasion of Britain by germany under hitler? It's you, not us, who hate the British, especially the English. Don't you call them 'island apes'?

re: many (and I guess the UK too) is thriving right now DESPITE them not because of them..

- You mean that the UK thrives despite the Polish guest workers? Prove it.

re:
I think our western european values superior....but then it's just my fault again too! Silly me!

- What do you mean by 'western european valuse' (sic)? Is it another racial term? Yes, when germans grab even the loftiest ideas, they twist them into the meanest, most racist ones. Think, for example, about WWII german troops who had on their belts the words 'Got mitt uns' ie. God is with us. :) Or the teutonic knights who murdered cruelly huge masses of Baltic tribes (such as Prussians - the real Prussians, who were Balt, not German peoples) in the name of Christianity. - From my observation, the germans are the most obnoxious ones among those who brag about their alleged 'westerness.' And since when the germans are oh so very 'western'? You weren't considered 'western' even in the late 1940s (see Trevor-Roper's The Last Days of Hitler). So why today are they suddenly oh so 'western' and bragging about it wherever they can, and looking down on others whom they perceive as non-western? Yes, buttworst, it's your fault again and silly you again (and again, without end).

:)
adilski 2 | 105  
21 Jun 2007 /  #82
Aren't you people blind?

Look, I don't have a problem with blacks, asians, mexicans, arabs, jews, or anyone else, but I do have a problem with them once they pollute a nation/ethnicity that is not theirs.

is that what the white race done in usa and australia and new zealand and south africa..

Historically the first human beings r beleived to be from around the byzantine - iraq region.. basically we all come from the same place, we breathe, eat, sleep, pro-create - these are basics of human life... culture n identity r 'stuff' on the surface, it is nice to have but it creates divide between people.. culture is waht you make it.. it constantly changes.. poland used to be a part of russia not long ago.. the russians may have influencd people to follwo their culture.. all this homogenous people is wrong...

also what about poliss migrants in uk, usa, canada, germany etc etc.. people have a right to any part of the world...

this is not freedom what the forefathers of capitalism and materialism fought for? or is it? where man only recognises another man based on the colour of their skin, their nationality or what passprt they have..

how wiil we ever beble to love our neighbours if we dont recognise them as one of our own...
TheKruk 3 | 308  
21 Jun 2007 /  #83
What if God is black?
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
21 Jun 2007 /  #84
Ooopsie...swinging the Nazi club again the moment someone disagrees with you?

Adolf, my dear boy, your "ultra-right" views correspond with your brethren's visions and they are mostly dead, in hiding or living in shame.

Typically lefty...and losing value more and more! I feel so hurt....not! :)The future will show how much immigration a country can stand....

Would you care to tell me what it is I'm losing? our economy is doing great and history has shown that immigration improves economies. Do pay more attention to financial realities Mr.brat boy.

PS: I don't know about GB but most immigrants to Germany are NOT highly skilled, good educated specialists but barely literate farmworkers or plumbers...Germany (and I guess the UK too) is thriving right now DESPITE them not because of them..

That's because your country has not opened the market to professionals you silly little sausage...!!

Germany's economy is in a pathetic situation right now... GB's economy and other robust global economies owe a lot to the immigrants.

PPS: YES, I'm nationalist and anti-multikulti and I do my best to be as politically incorrect as possible! RESISTANCE!!!

Oh, and a heil to you too; I'm just being polite you see...;-) By the way, do be careful when you put on that arm-band; we wouldn't want you to cut off the circulation to your brain. Ah! terribly sorry, I forgot...empty spaces don't need blood or oxygen...;-)
krysia 23 | 3,058  
21 Jun 2007 /  #85
you silly little sausage...!!

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! That is so funny!
Ranj 21 | 947  
21 Jun 2007 /  #86
Cracked me up, also! :)
adilski 2 | 105  
21 Jun 2007 /  #87
What if God is black?

i dont hink u can define god as part of the creation in this world..

So you compare us Poles to Turks, Arabs, and 'Pakis,' kraut?

i think this type of discrimination is unessesary, it is not fair to use language that has negative connotations.. the bottom line is all migrants to a country have their own objectives,, their are good and bad everywhere regardless of nationality, creed and ethnicity..

there are uneducated people, criminals in all countries, in uk their are WHITE british who sell drugs, commit murder, commit fraud, same in poland same in germany... the fact the people can make a huge generalisation about a set community based on information provided to them by a media channel or source of information that at times lacks credibility, and the message that is portrayed is sometimes a refelction of a minorities views that is transmitted to influence the masses - thus creating a differenc in people - where 'one' community thinks they are better then others.
TheKruk 3 | 308  
21 Jun 2007 /  #88
i dont hink u can define god as part of the creation in this world..

I am simply saying since we have no idea what God really is imagine the shock and horror on the faces of racial purists upon entering heaven to be greeted by a black person. Basically I agree with your posts.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
21 Jun 2007 /  #89
Germany's economy is in a pathetic situation right now

Do you have an idea how uninformed and riduculous you sound?

Germany made right now a double record: We are for the third time export world champions and earned a record surplus like never before, around 164 Billion Euro.

Our economy rules!

spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,489724,00.html

But then, what else is to expect from one who doesn't discuss arguments but lives in the past and speaks with a mysterious "Adolf"....

God you are really intellectual challenged! :)

What do you mean by 'western european valuse' (sic)? Is it another racial term?

Yeah...sure..."Western Values" IS a racial term...of course....what else....*insert rolling eyes*

And for the rest of your post as usual: Blah

Just ignore me in the future, would you....
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148  
21 Jun 2007 /  #90
Sausage, now "western values" are unforunately homo rights, multiculturalism, eco fanatism and so on.

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