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What can Poland do to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?


miranda  
21 Jun 2007 /  #91
eco fanatism

what is wrong with that.

PS. I would like to tell you Grzegorz that Toronto is celebrating a whole week of gay culure this week and I am going to see the parade at the end of the week.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148  
21 Jun 2007 /  #92
what is wrong with that.

I like nature, but there's something wrong, when somebody care more about some insects than about people, don't you think ?
miranda  
21 Jun 2007 /  #93
when somebody care more about some insects than about people, don't you think ?

Oh, I agree
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
21 Jun 2007 /  #94
Sausage, now "western values" are unforunately homo rights, multiculturalism, eco fanatism and so on

And what is "racial" about it?

Should I change my name to "Sausage" boy? Many seem to like it.... :)
miranda  
21 Jun 2007 /  #95
Many seem to like it.... :)

what's next - invitation to Berlin for a beer?;)
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
21 Jun 2007 /  #97
Do you have an idea how uninformed and riduculous you sound?

Hello ? Now, that's really amusing; please note that I don't wear a uniform. You're probably referring to some of your forefathers from the 30s & 40s...;-)

I sound ridiculous? My dear fellow, please read your own posts & see how utterly pathetic and disjointed it looks/reads...!!

Germany made right now a double record: We are for the third time export world champions and earned a record surplus like never before, around 164 Billion Euro.Our economy rules!

"Double record", really...!! You sound like a kid from kindergarten who has just won the 10 m race...!!

Read the peterson report & you'll realise the pathetic state of your employment, private consumption & economic growth.

But then, what else is to expect from one who doesn't discuss arguments but lives in the past and speaks with a mysterious "Adolf"....

My dear fellow, i find it extremely difficult to fathom the overall meaning of the above phrase. Your sentence building capability, or rather lack of it, is absolutely mind blowing...!!

God you are really intellectual challenged! :)

Now, this has to be funniest thing I've read since I joined this forum.

You silly little sausage, are you talking to your God or do you have dyslexia...?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
21 Jun 2007 /  #98
*looks for value in Jamies post...looks harder....takes glasses and searches again*

Sorry...did someone say something?

LOL

:)

PS: Shouldn't you walk over to the famous Abuse thread? Because I can't find any arguments....:(

PPS: But you are right in that my english is far from perfect...I apologize! :(

PPPS: What does this Peterson say? Do you have a link maybe?
(Yeah I know nearly 3 percent growth this year isn't much even if Germany leads the other european countries regarding growth and outlook but it's better than nothing, don' you think? But you are right of course...measuring success in selling goods and earning money is just silly...)

euro-area.org/blog/?p=72

But the biggest question of all:

What has possible dyslexia, bad english, 'ol Adolf, uniforms, some forefathers and this Peterson to do with ethnic integrity of Poland aka the thread topic????

Please explain!
Jaszczolt 1 | 35  
21 Jun 2007 /  #99
#1 > We've large problems in Denmark concerning the Muslims, as in every other part of Western Europe. And no-one gets anything of the officials of what's going wrong.

That's why I'm delighted that the situation in Poland is at least not as extreme as in many other countries.
If any other state collapse, we shall make sure to have Poland left for the Poles, and again to mark the position of Poland as the stronghold against foreign forces, as it has been the case with the Mongols and then the Turks.

What we'll have to do are a longer discussion, but we must stop the globalistic madness and realize that Islamic believers can never be integrated in a Western society, as long as they stay with all sides of their faith.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children", as David Lane put it.
Drop the fanatic 'anti-racist' outcries and realize instead what major problems we stand in front of.

This is concerning us, not the other parts of mankind. The Muslims fight internally in the Middle East, but they aren't the ones who are in danger of losing their nations to totally different people, who has come to slowly, but securely, take over your whole society.

For some it sounds like a Doomesday-prophecy, but people must realize the problems before it's too late.
olito 6 | 53  
21 Jun 2007 /  #100
I agree on the point that immigration helps to boost economies (e.g. like USA and UK) and also brings big troubles like people not integrating to society.

We have to think also, which kind of people is the majority of the immigrants. I know there are skilled people who would like to go abroad and so on, but most of the migrating people are people in need, in real need that are looking for a better (or at least decent) life abroad.

I'm mexican and raised in Mexico (lived in USA 1 year and 2 in Germany, both because of studies, now making a 3-month internship in Poland) and I know the mexican poor economical reality.

I also understand americans' opinion (sometimes) when they complain about many mexicans in USA and that they are criminals or they dont integrate or cant speak english. But I also can't blame these poor people, they hardly had something to eat back in Mexico, so it's hard to think they were learning english and preparing for integrating to american culture, and of course, because of their poor-status they are unable to get a proper visa to have a better life somewhere else.

I know the root of the problem is in the country of origin and the lack of education and opportunities, but, you as a human being, can't explain your hungry kids that you are waiting for a macroeconomical miracle to bring something to the table.

I compare (and share) such feelings to polish in UK and turkish in Germany, if you have the great bliss of understanding, you can figure out that such people are not making an effort to integrate, not because they dont want, but probably because they are too busy working-hard and bring something to the table back in the home-country.

I'm not pro-islam, pro-slavic or pro-latino, or against any of them, I'm pro-understanding the root of immigration. If you, as rich-country citizen, don't like such globalization effect, you can organize yourselves and propose more strict immigration policies to your government, but as long as your economy needs low-skilled workers for such jobs no one likes, there will be someone in need that will take them.

Moral of the story: live and let live!

p.s.1. im totally against crime and racism, if migrants bring such things, I think they shouldn't be allowed anywhere.

p.s.2. im pro-mexican-food :)

have a nice day!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148  
21 Jun 2007 /  #101
but people must realize the problems before it's too late.

Too late ? Some European countries will be majority Muslim in 30 years.
Meg 1 | 38  
21 Jun 2007 /  #102
I also understand americans' opinion (sometimes) when they complain about many mexicans in USA and that they are criminals or they dont integrate or cant speak english. But I also can't blame these poor people, they hardly had something to eat back in Mexico, so it's hard to think they were learning english and preparing for integrating to american culture, and of course, because of their poor-status they are unable to get a proper visa to have a better life somewhere else.

Olito, I hear what you are saying. As an American, I am frustrated in a "big picture" sense that we cannot control our own border. But, on a personal level, I knew plenty of people who had been or were, at the time I knew them, illegally in the country from Mexico. They weren't there because they each had an evil, diabolical plan to change the character of the United States. They were there because the positives of being in the U.S. outweighed the negatives of their illegal situation, because the economic situation of their town back in Mexico was just too bad. --What really makes me angry is that it always seems to be reduced to the immigrants vs. the United States govt (and anonymous angry white people), when the problem really seems to be the Mexican oligarchy using the U.S. as a pressure outlet so that they can avoid having to make painful decisions and structural changes. BUT that's just my opinion . . .

I compare (and share) such feelings to polish in UK and turkish in Germany, if you have the great bliss of understanding, you can figure out that such people are not making an effort to integrate, not because they dont want, but probably because they are too busy working-hard and bring something to the table back in the home-country.

This is very true. Especially if you don't understand the language very well, or even at all. And especially if the "locals" are not very niceto outsiders to begin with.

Of course, Poland's an interesting country b/c it was very mixed ethnically until the end of WWII - the current ethnic situation is an historical anomaly.

P.S. James, you are an idiot and every time you "open your mouth" you simply confirm this. FYI.

P.P.S. I'm pro-mexican-food, too! :^)
JamesLondon 1 | 26  
22 Jun 2007 /  #103
Sorry...did someone say something?LOL:)

Actually, no one said anything my dear fellow; however, it would help if you focussed a bit more on your reading ability ..;-)

PS: Shouldn't you walk over to the famous Abuse thread? Because I can't find any arguments....:(

look and ye shall find my dear friend; I can't be bothered to spoon feed you.

PPPS: What does this Peterson say? Do you have a link maybe?(Yeah I know nearly 3 percent growth this year isn't much even if Germany leads the other european countries regarding growth and outlook but it's better than nothing, don' you think? But you are right of course...measuring success in selling goods and earning money is just silly...)

Well, I just don't have the time, energy or the inclination to find it on the internet for you. Just for your information, there are other sources of "data" as well; apart from the Internet, I mean. Anyway, as they say "Google it my dear boy"...!!

What has possible dyslexia, bad english, 'ol Adolf, uniforms, some forefathers and this Peterson to do with ethnic integrity of Poland aka the thread topic????Please explain!

It could , in all probability, be explained in a manner analogous to your non-stop rants about Germany's economy.

Stick to the topic....provide proof that immigration would destroy the ethnic integrity of Poland. Immigration has been going on for so long in GB and I cannot see any disintegration of our ethnic identity.

P.S. James, you are an idiot and every time you "open your mouth" you simply confirm this. FYI.

AH ! what do we have here...another charming American "woman" with the manners of menopausal spinster with a chronic case of arthritis.

Leaving aside the pathetic literary attempts in your patronizing post, I see very little to respond to; you'll have to try harder my dear...;)

Olito, you make some valid points; extremely good post, I must say...good show...!!

Jaszczolt, Gregorsz...you make some valid points with respect to Islam. I do have some serious issues with this religion; however, you appear to have forgotten about the immigrants from other "peaceful" religions. Controlled immigration of the latter (say poles to the UK or vice versa) would provide a tremendous boost to the Polish economy or any other country, for that matter.
Jaszczolt 1 | 35  
22 Jun 2007 /  #104
Grzegorz, I meant before it was too late for the Poles.
I consider, for example, The Netherlands as almost lost territory.
If we look around in Europe we can see how things end if they continue how they are now.

James, I agree with you. As long as it doesn't hurt the nation itself, then let us have those immigrants THAT WE NEED - and only those who have the exact qualifications for what we might need them for.

Let's say that we right now need 800 skilled workmen for a period of time - let's have them, but when they've completed their duty they can go home again. They got their salary, and that's what drove them to the work.

We have to be that strict if it's ever going to work.

Olito: That's just concerning the wicked Americans. ;-)
But you should be VERY careful about comparing Mexicans in the USA with Turks in Germany. They don't fit together at all.
The problem with the Muslims isn't just that they follow a kind of constitution written in the Arabian desert for 1400 years ago, even though that's pretty extreme. The thing is, if you study islam, that from the 20th century many Muslims reacted to the European colonialism (damn them, for what they've done) in the Muslim countries, together with some other things.

The Muslim rulers never really used the laws of the Qu'ran earlier, but suddenly they wanted to 'get back to their roots' and to get back then, when their faith was pure and unspoiled by Western civilization. So they started taking up these extreme rules - Saudi Arabia is an example of this - and putting them out in practice. A very hard job, because there was no experience from if earlier on.

JUST after they started getting all fundamentalistic we had a huge immigration from Muslim countries, with people who just recently had discovered their pure Islamic heritage. Many of these came from low-developed parts of their own countries. From Turkey, for example, the majority of those immigrants were from the mountains in the East of Turkey, and they're all like primitive rednecks to the people in Istanbul and elsewhere.

These people aren't letting themselves integrate, because their religion doesn't say they should. The Jewish Torah is made that way, because they always were a minority in others' countries. But Islam is a rulers' religion, so people who stay fully to the demands of their Islamic holy book can never follow the laws of Western countries fully.

They just see: 'Ah, the Qu'ran says we should conquer the world with our religion and with the sword in our hand'... Islam is a very racistic and intolerant religion, and that's why I'm very much against the islamization of Europe, which has been going on for quite some time - and all thanks to the multiculturalistic post-hippies...
Justyna69  
22 Jun 2007 /  #105
What can Poland do to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?

To hell with the ethnic integrity! I say people from all countries, of all races, beliefs UNITE. This is why we have all these wars, misunderstandings and hatred all over the world because too many people want the ethnic integrity...........
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
22 Jun 2007 /  #106
Let's say that we right now need 800 skilled workmen for a period of time - let's have them, but when they've completed their duty they can go home again.

Good idea...Germany tried that somewhere in the sixties...now they are here to stay.
Not to mention that such would be against all EU-laws...no chance to handling it that way!
Being in the EU means to be allowed to wander around in other EU-countries in search for work (like many polish do right now).
Face it...once Poland get's attractive to poorer countries they will come and there is nothing you can do against it!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,148  
22 Jun 2007 /  #107
Jaszczolt, Gregorsz...you make some valid points with respect to Islam. I do have some serious issues with this religion

Personally I don't have a problem with Islam. I blame tree hugging idiots in the governments, who think that you may just like that bring millions of people of completely different culture and everything will be alright. No, It's not alright (the best example is France) and It's not surprising as moving 20 million of Europeans to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia wouldn't work out well either.
Jaszczolt 1 | 35  
22 Jun 2007 /  #108
Well, Grzegorz, maybe you just don't see the problem because you don't know enough about it.
- But I support your way of thinking and agree with you.

Justyna, you support the kind of thinking, which made the problems able to develop.

My dear Sausage-German: The thing which really can make the situation worse is this new EU-constitution - and I think it's great that the Kaczynski's stand up, so they don't just follow the stream downhill, all the way into destruction.

This may be taken as a sign, that Poland will not just go along with anything, so the future is brighter for Poland than for many other nations.

When you look at Denmark, you see that we have a longer tradition of giving us selves some space in the EU-agreements, so if just the single nations protest and insists of going against the stream, they might have a chance - but nothing seems totally bright.

We're entering a dark period of European history.

And that witch to Angela Merkel has now made some changes so the Danish people can't get a voting about some parts of the treaty, and that's what we have to fight against, because that's really a clear sign of power-abuse.

At the last parliamentary election in Denmark, we got a total centre-bloc into power - luckily. And the Danish People's Party as a support-party. That party has very often been a victim of 'hetz' from anywhere and everyone, but they've been able to get some very important regulatives through, about immigration and similar topics.

If they didn't got through with those things it would've been very bad, and now there's an election next year, and everything can happen....

But this shows, that there's at least some people who realize the dangers and wanted some more strict laws concerning the foreigners.

The Danish are just such a 'sissy' people.. Those who really realize the wrongs don't dare to come forward, they just sit down and talk over a cup of coffee about 'the damn perks' and all that, but when they get out, you can't tell those people from fanatical left-wingers.

And that's why our struggle should go through the democratic elections. We shall convince the people and let their votes support us in our struggle.

Because even though these people don't stand up about it, they still got their votes. To the luck of the Danish People's Party.

I just hope that Giertych can get into the same role in Poland, as this party did in Denmark, to make sure Poland doesn't 'ride the waves' without thinking about the consequences..
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,677  
22 Jun 2007 /  #109
I can't speak for the Danish people of course but the EU made Germany rich and wealthy so our feelings are not as bad and we want to keep it that way!

But the times change and the EU must change too...
Jaszczolt 1 | 35  
22 Jun 2007 /  #110
The EU sure change, but in the opposite direction of what they should, and that's due to the lack of resistance against the current development.

The BRD came on its feet because of huge American injections of k a p i t a l, and from then on Germany has more and more been reduced to a puppet for, among others, the USA and has been forced (=firmly guided) into having this role of the front-people of globalization - so no-one can say they're like the Nazi's during the Third Reich.

The Germans have gone from one extreme to the other, and this one seems more and more to become more lunatic than the former - with a bit of guidance from the Jewish community, who still play their roles as the victims, even though they control the majority of the globalistic debates..
PeterCpt 2 | 37  
23 Jun 2007 /  #111
May I suggest a Hello Kitty scarf?

What do you have against Japanese peoples' fashion sense then? :) Sanrio's Hello Kitty is da bomb I tell you. :) You must also check out the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_lolita - GothLoli fashion style :). Sadly my g/f thinks it sucks. :(

Seriously, this post started out as a rather racist or zenophobic one. However there is an answer, Poland must stay relatively poor to remain unattractive to most foreigners :).
away guy 10 | 343  
23 Jun 2007 /  #112
So many countries in Europe are overrun with dark-skinned people

I hope Poland keeps strict rules on who comes in and you goes out, jsut today in my samll village, isaw about 10 darkies running around i dont no where they from but maybe poland is to late already ?
hachamovich  
23 Jun 2007 /  #113
To hell with the ethnic integrity! I say people from all countries, of all races, beliefs UNITE. This is why we have all these wars, misunderstandings and hatred all over the world because too many people want the ethnic integrity...........

That's very cute, but it takes two to tango. Too bad that some arabs/muslims don't agree with you (and with me), so they use the hospitality of the European countries in order to do more crimes and terror attacks.
polishmancan 8 | 21  
23 Jun 2007 /  #114
What do you think Poland should to to maintain its Ethnic Integrity?

Simple, stick with their own kind. Form ethnic enclaves and mingle only with like minded native 100% slavs. People who share a common culture literally have more in common thus should stick together.
hachamovich  
23 Jun 2007 /  #115
Simple, stick with their own kind.

Look, immigration is not always that bad, but generally, I agree. States as the U.S, Australia and Canada are immigration states, so they shouldn't bother about their culture and "ethnicity". Poland, from the other hand, should keep most of its citizens ethnic Poles. There should be immigrants in Poland, just not that much as the muslims/blacks in the U.K and France. The French people have made a mistake when they let so many North Africans to get inside France. Look what happens there now, Christians and Jews are constantly menaced by the growing (and very violent) muslim-population, there are too many Al-Queida supporters (and potentially terrorists) holding European citizenships, they live in their own Ghettos (As Turkish people do in Germany) and many of them dont even try to get involved in the surrounding society.
olito 6 | 53  
25 Jun 2007 /  #116
But you should be VERY careful about comparing Mexicans in the USA with Turks in Germany.

I totally agree Jaszczolt. I was just comparing the "need" both immigrants had in their home-countries. Hell of a differences between Mexico and any muslim country, really!

I don't understand Islam but IMHO for me it looks like an obsolete way of living, impossible to be ruled by something written thousand years ago, it's like if us mexicans still behead people in top of the aztec pyramids, just because it was written somewhere!!!
irishman  
27 Jun 2007 /  #117
im not into the whole nazi, racial purity crap but i do have a slight problem with the way so called 'multi-culturism' is being pushed on us all. Like its some new reality we have to accept. DIVERSITY is a good thing, its what makes the world an interesting place. If everyone is the same everywhere we go, it would soon becaome very boring (apart from the scenery anyway). Its ok to have foreign people come to visit your country or for a certain ammount to settle there but if every country just becomes a mixed bag then they all become the same and we loose strong cultures and cultural identites as they become diluted by 'multi-culturalism'.

There has and will always be meeting points, overlapping of cultures, this is a natural thing but they have always been a core element of each culture which preserves it. Just think of plastiscine (or marla), you know that stuff you played with as a kid. When u get it first it comes in different colors but after awhile you mix it all up and it all turns a dull brown and boring. This is not as reference to skin color btw, it refers to the cultural meshing. Its really great to meet and befriend good people from all over but its important not to confuse diversity with multiculturalism.

There is also the problem of just whos culture is in place or dominant and how is that culture related to politics or religion of that group of people. Is the mid/east for example its Islamic cultures, if they populate an area in europe where they eventually outnumber the original/natives, then they become the dominant culture. We must then consider just how this will affect the native people, social, legal and religious matters. It can and does eventually lead to some very serious problems. Just somethin worth bearing in mind.
Jaszczolt 1 | 35  
27 Jun 2007 /  #118
I agree with you all - Hachamovich, Olito and Irishman.

It's a damn important issue and as you say, Irishman, some people are trying to turn this multi-culturalistic ideology over our heads, just like Nietzsche saw Christianity was doing some 130 years ago.

I can just say that I'm relieved that just some people inside this forum understands the importance of the struggle against these forces.

Then you should be aware of some organizations, which do make an effort, even though the road to victory's very long and bumpy.
Take for example ITS - Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty - even though you're not aware of it there's a group in the European parliament that wants the EU to be dissolved.

And I think that's the right way to go.

Because, as I see it, EU's the biggest threat for us now, with this EU-constitution and all that. They open all our boundaries and leave no national control left behind of anything.

So it has to be dissolved internally.

Besides that there's a kind of network called Stop the Islamisation Of Europe.
They are making an international demonstration outside the European Parliament on September the 11th, 2007 in Belgium.
It organized by groups in Denmark, England and Germany and should have contact with groups in France, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and Holland, but I only know about the three first as 'secure'.

Look here: sioe.wordpress.com/brussels-demo-2007
Contact about organizing: sioe@siad.dk

As to secure Poland it's important to do something with the rest of the EU. If not, Poland just has to follow all the demands which have been passed in the EU-parliament, and so will end like the rest.

PS:
Hachamovich >
With this comment: " Too bad that some arabs/muslims don't agree with you (and with me), so they use the hospitality of the European countries in order to do more crimes and terror attacks." - you have hit the bulls-eye, more or less.

They certainly exploit that there are some utopian dreamers who're dictating how we should act and behave, and that they can't see the Muslims as a problem (because "uh, we're absolutely not racists") - and they have worked on this idealistic thinking for some 35 years, and have developed it into many international organizations.

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