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Is the E.U. good for Poland??


El Gato 4 | 351  
15 Feb 2008 /  #151
I read an articel today that said European tourists are coming to America and buying Timberlands out the wazoo...made me laugh, considering I get a discount on them so I pay as much as our visiting friends :]

A lot of people from Europe have been coming to America lately, and chanign Euros into dollars and getting almost $1.80 per 1 Euro. The shift in power happened so fast....
JuliePotocka 5 | 188  
17 Feb 2008 /  #152
Deise, I concur; stay out of the EMU, and retain real sovereignty. I would be royally ticked, if the economy wound up being run for the benefit of other countries, after all Poland's been through!
Crow 150 | 9,537  
20 Feb 2008 /  #153
No, definitely, EU isn`t good for Slavic Poland, same way how it isn`t good for Slavic Serbia.

Pozdrav braćo!
Deise 07 3 | 76  
21 Feb 2008 /  #154
Crow - EMU and EU are not the same!
lesser 4 | 1,311  
21 Feb 2008 /  #155
Not yet, only because some still have objections.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Dec 2008 /  #156
It's good for some and bad for others, simple.
Babinich 1 | 455  
14 Dec 2008 /  #157
The EU or the EMU?

It's clear that the EMU can be manipulated by the larger members in order to foster their markets.

This is a bad idea folks; whenever the sovereignty of one nation is challenged all nations are challenged.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Dec 2008 /  #158
The EU, I meant.

I remember watching the House of Commons debate on the ERM (as it was), in 1992 or so. John Major was involved in a big battle with Norman Lamont, then Chancellor of the Exchequer. This prompted a series of debates, not least into fudging of the convergence criteria and the single currency.

I'm sure Youtube has some stuff on it.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
15 Dec 2008 /  #159
It's good for some and bad for others, simple.

which lead to conclusion that EU as project failed to balance between different interests
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
15 Dec 2008 /  #160
Poland is better off staying with the EU. Splintering off into a smaller slavic alliance wouldn't be a good idea because EU will always have more influence. Sovietism has already been tried.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
15 Dec 2008 /  #161
Poland is better off staying with the EU. Splintering off into a smaller slavic alliance wouldn't be a good idea because EU will always have more influence. Sovietism has already been tried.

speaking about Sovietism...

Guess Who's Coming To Dinner: Václav Klaus, Cohn-Bendit, Pöttering, Brian Crowley
indymedia.ie/article/90105
Excerpts from the meeting between Václav Klaus, President of the Czech Republic, and members of the Conference of the Presidents of the European Parliament, Friday 5 December 2008, Prague Castle

Hans-Gert Pöttering: President Vaclav Klaus: I did not compare you with the Soviet Union, I did not mention the word "Soviet Union". I only said that I have not experienced such an atmosphere, such style of debate in the past 19 years in the Czech Republic, really.

HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
15 Dec 2008 /  #162
Lol, that is ironic, eh? Is Hans-Gert Pöttering saying President Klaus compared the EU to the Soviet Union? I don't really think it's the same. For one thing, EU is more open. Maybe they could be more open with Russia, though? Good point. Maybe they are just more open with different people but still the same?
Babinich 1 | 455  
15 Dec 2008 /  #163
Poland is better off staying with the EU. Splintering off into a smaller slavic alliance wouldn't be a good idea because EU will always have more influence.

HatefulBunch397,

Pardon me if I misread the substance of your statement.

The question to ask is not whether the EU is influencial because of its size but whether the EU is better for the citizenry of its member states.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Dec 2008 /  #164
Needless to say, the E.U has a broad remit. There are certain areas that are rather onerous for those affected but the general consensus here seems to be that the EU has opened many doors. I'm not an ardent proponent of the EU but it has laudable intentions.

You have to ask key players in key industries.
Babinich 1 | 455  
15 Dec 2008 /  #165
Wow, how prophetic:

"Finance is the gun; politics is knowing when to pull the trigger."
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Dec 2008 /  #166
Who gets access to the gun is the key issue.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
15 Dec 2008 /  #167
Splintering off into a smaller slavic alliance wouldn't be a good idea because EU will always have more influence.

small? Who talk about small Slavic alliance?

Innitialy it could be.... Poland, Czech Republic, Serbia, Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary (i believe that Poles could arange that), Bulgaria, Ukraine, Lithuania, Bosnia-Herzegovina (at least that what is under Serbian control).... then even Macedonia if Great Albania does not destroy it grabing opportunity while Slavs are still divided,... also Croatia can join if Slavs `convince` Germany to alowe that, etc, etc..

Is that small? I think not

Is the E.U. good for Poland??

in any case, interesting question

spot this...

Estonia faces the EU propaganda barrage
Roger Helmer MEP
brugesgroup.com/news.live?article=179&keyword=8

Firstly, the political classes, the people who actually negotiate and campaign for accession, have a lot to gain. In the case of Poland, the largest accession country, it is expected that well over a thousand Poles will get highly paid jobs in Brussels, frequently on ten times the salary they could get at home. These are the same people who lead the campaign to join, so it's not hard to understand their motivation.

lesser 4 | 1,311  
24 Dec 2008 /  #168
From the link above.

Firstly, the political classes, the people who actually negotiate and campaign for accession, have a lot to gain. In the case of Poland, the largest accession country, it is expected that well over a thousand Poles will get highly paid jobs in Brussels, frequently on ten times the salary they could get at home. These are the same people who lead the campaign to join, so it's not hard to understand their motivation.

They are full of happiness. Imagine that some time ago they tried to convince Polish public opinion that we need to back their efforts of gaining more posts in EU institutions.

Ironically, the tiny "No" campaign in Estonia has been accused of "being funded by foreign money", despite the fact that the Yes campaign has received at least twenty times as much money, and their money is equally foreign - it comes from Brussels!

The same in Ireland recently.

I saw it myself in Jogeva, a small town in Estonia, on August 24th. I was there to see the European Commission's Campaign Bus for the Estonian referendum (which takes place on Sept 14th). They were distributing handfuls of tendentious propaganda, and a particularly egregious example caught my eye.

It was in the form of a glossy post-card, featuring a smiling male model.

The caption read "Vote YES for sexier men!". It argued that in the EU, men on average drink less and live longer than Estonian men, and therefore Estonian men would become more sexy if Estonia voted YES.


I have posted in this forum very similar posters realised in Ireland before referendum. Typical way how Eurocrats want to convince smart voters.

A German diplomat made a speech from the bus calling for a YES vote, and I reminded him in no uncertain terms that his direct interference in an internal Estonian political debate constituted a serious breach of Article 55.1 of the Vienna Convention.

He tried to justify his behaviour by claiming that this clear and overt campaigning in the referendum campaign was "Promotion of German Culture", although, bizarrely, the jazz band supporting the event had played "Land of Hope and Glory", and not the Beethoven/EU "National Anthem".


LOL!!! German diplomat have specific sense of humour.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
26 Dec 2008 /  #169
Is the E.U. good for Poland??

Poland bear
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #170
That's the Russian bear, Crow. Not Polish ;)
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
26 Dec 2008 /  #171
That's the Russian bear

How do you know that? :) DNA-test?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #172
Hehehe, nah, the Russian bear has become a stock phrase now for your global reemergence as a power to be reckoned with.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
26 Dec 2008 /  #173
That's the Russian bear, Crow.

exactly

Not Polish ;)

well, Poland is in emerging Eurabia right now,... Russian bear is close

i don`t see much of the difference between Polish and Serbian situation. Only, Poland is bigger peace of land, more people ;)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #174
Don't believe everything you read, Crow.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
26 Dec 2008 /  #175
i didn`t read that. i live it
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #176
I hear ya, Crow.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
26 Dec 2008 /  #177
this is what EU/NATO gave to Serbians >>>

How Serbs were butchered



Now, tell me- Is the EU good for Poland??
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #178
True, Crow. Withholding of important incriminating evidence is a crime. Read Prof R.D Jones on the Tribunal for Yugoslavia. An expensive treatise on the issue but thorough.
Crow 150 | 9,537  
26 Dec 2008 /  #179
Withholding of important incriminating evidence is a crime.

i know, i know that Poles, Scots (and other good people) simple can`t believe what`s going on. Truth is too terrible for them.... for `centuries` Poles did all to escape from Russia and now Russia changes, progress,.... while Poles are faced with Eurabian Borg.

What to tell you my brotherly Poles. When you stop to run, stop to try to escape, stop to choose negative choices... remind yourself of Sarmatia Europae as last option, as ultimate tower of defence, last Garden

Serbs would wait you there, ... even if that means our last charge.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Dec 2008 /  #180
People just need the fullest picture before they go making judgements. I always try to do as much research as I can before forming opinions.

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