Is the E.U. good for Poland??

LOL flat income tax, flat cooperate tax and you call PO socialists :))) Have you watched debate when Tusk was talking about liberal economy and that it is our way (Irealnd) , and Kaczysnki started to talk about social benefits ...

I see you have problem to vote on PiS after debate so you try to prove that PO is socialist party, what is complete false. Your grate leader call them ( PO) liberals so ...

I think we can discuss in subject about PO and PiS not here

The point that I was trying to make was in reference to Ireland being poor before European entry. Some of you had mentioned that Ireland's position before it entered the EU could in some respect be compared to Poland's. The two countries although similar differ vastly in relation to the extent of Ireland's hidden wealth. Industries such as horse and greyhound racing and sport related tourism have always provided income streams in the Irish economy than were to some extent hidden.

:)))) you should be more optimistic ...

I am very optimistic it was just a reflection concerning Ireland's wealth. Poland regardless of the election result has a great future. I will even be happy if PO win the election as I'll more than likely pay less overall taxes.

I like the idea of EU as free market zone, I don't like the idea of EU as superstate rulled by the Germans (brrr). What more to say? EU stopped to be trade union, and started changing into big superstate. It's dangerous for Poland.

Yep. 15% PIT and 20% VAT, which in practice mean that vast majority of Poles would pay higher taxes. PO's "liberalism" is BS. In Poland almost 50% of GDP goes through the public sector, which is about the same level like in Germany or France and to make a serious improvement It should be reduced at least by 8-10%. PO won't do that. The main difference between PiS and PO is that the 2nd is "nicer" - will lick ass of commies, Gerries, homos and other freaks, I don't know about you but for me that a big minus.

Besides the problem is not that Kaczyński or even Olejniczak don't know that lower taxes would be better for economy, the problem is that unfortunately most of Poles are economically rather socialistic, so I prefer 4 more years of "Solidarna Polska" and then probably many Poles will start thinking that maybe we should try something else than very similar crap under the name of liberalism, which will only disattract more people from idea of economical liberalism.


He was talking some crap about prices of potatoes and that he will make a miracel in Poland...

If teh governemnt of Kaczysnkis was a goo one there woul be no reason for early election, so I hope they are out. It doesn't mean that another government would be better but there is always a chance.

Poland needs a progressive, not a conservative, backward government.

hear hear

get back to work, will ya.......;)

drinking beer actually... being multi-talented i can do both at the same time

boy, you are very busy indeed:)

So maybe be more progressive yourself and find a girlfriend.

what a strange thing to say

really?, ha, ha........stop drinking, start thinking.......

I thought you were anti-gay ?

I think that G is referring to progressive as pro-gay and since I am pro-gay and for equality , he is insinuating that I am gay too.

Explain yourself G.

What I meant by progressive was closely linked with internal politics in regards to employment for young people in Poland an other issues which I am not going to repeat againI think that Tusk is more level headed an will be a better option for Poland.

The EU should and does act as a beacon for the rest of the World. If we are to survive on this planet now and in the future all coutries should be looking very closely at similar organisations.

Is the EU good for Poland? your damn right it is, your part of the future-be happy.

history will be the judge but anyway first he has to win. Tusk performed better in the debate, Kaczor spewed vague statements and silly jingoism, but o h well, many people eat that stuff up as we all know...

No...

I see that some people here try to convice Poles that EU is good thing, (I will repeat) according to ht pools 80% of Poles are happy that Poland is in EU and think it is good for Poland

True.


Of course it is ! ;)

do the pole's want to go back to communism? take a look at this and start thinking.

google common purpose goverment infiltrators.

About 90% of Poles know nothing about the EU. They say so because:
- Brussels bureaucracy is more efficient than Polish one
- The EU make good propaganda

Poland should be in Schengen zone and for this you doesn't need to be member of the EU. We sell out parts of sovereignty with every another signed treaty and get some TEMPORARY subsidies, ten years and this will be over. Why would corrupt, populist and ignorant Polish politicians try to solve this country if they can pass this problem to Brussels.

bla bla bla If we lisnted people from LPR/UPR where we would be ... of course not in EU

hopefully they have 1% of support

You are absolutely right, you cannot discuss with facts.


Of course both parties are against EU membership, huge socialist bureaucracy this is not what we like in opposition to "liberals" from PO.

1% :) of support :) bye bye Roman

I have noticed that you have strong tendency of escaping from serious discussion when lacks of argument. I suggest you to buy Milton Friedman (hopefully you heard about him...) books and study it carefully, perhaps you at least learn what is economic liberalism all about.

Ok But PO is real and LPR are extreme nationalists against EU ... PO from real parties are the most liberal look on economy what is more I want EU constitution and I want EU army ... so LPR/UPR isnt my choice

as to my knowledge I m speculant (FOREX/WIG20/DAX) so I use my skils everyday (according economy)

You know that I have never even consider voting for LPR but I disagree with you. Polish media distort public debate with their aggressive rhetoric and promotion of political ignorants like Wierzejski, Kurski, Niesiołowski or Senyszyn. They love populist labels because this improve their number of viewers. However I would wish people in Poland don't blindly buy everything what they say. If you constantly exaggerate and use words like "extremists" then someday when real extremist appear you will struggle the right word to name them because "extremist" would be ignored by public opinion as nothing new.

Other question is that indeed PO is real , however this reality is very sad... You people are surprised why PiS is still so popular, who caused this, who is responsible for the rise of PiS? PiS gained their popularity being anti-corruptionist! Except commies this is PO politicians the one responsible for most swindles in this country. Mr Lewandowski and his shady privatizations, he should be jailed and not seat in the Euro-parliament, "Warsaw's bridge" and Piskorski and recently Mrs Sawicka another MP from PO. You know one must be really stupid to take a bribe in the middle of election campaign when nearly everybody in this country realize that PiS only waits for an opportunity to catch such individuals and show public opinion in TV that they are the only un-corrupt party. This recent affair is just another dud in PO's long campaign of discreditation of economic liberalism. How they want to win a majority when half of Poland think liberal=thief?!


Did you at least read EU constitution? If not, how often do you sign unread documents? (being a speculant as you wrote)
If yes, tell us please what on earth this consitution has to do with economic liberalism? This is the longest constitution in history of universe, what is more hardly readable (intentionally, I can provide quotes of EU-bureaucrats if you wish)


So vote for PiS :) If you support this, what is your stance on NATO? |Should be abolished or you want pay for both destinations (and raise taxes to afford this luxury )

as to LPR my good friend is member of this party I totaly disagree with him but we like each other and we are friends since High School, when we drink vodka together ;) and we discuss I know it is not my choice...

as to media ... Yes I know, now we have real problem with media in all over the world. FOX in USA is grate example, at least we have internet and it really helps to know some different opinions.

As to politicians PO is my choice, in all countries thera are corrption scandals, but PO wants less influcene of gov on citizens life and I like this idea and in my opinion corruption will decrease when officers will dont have opportunity to take bribes.


ok I havent read it ... but I m sure Giertych has showed all disadvatages (he is against it) and I think that it will be good for Europena countries to stick together.


I think EU should become partner of USA and we can cooperate in some cases, when atcked by other forces, like China or Russia we should help each other, but to be partner we have to have our European forces. And about being partner of sb we need to have constitution ...