Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?

that was a different situation. I was done to avoid riots in the future, which France has been trying to avoid. I was talking about Canada alone where students are admitted based on their highschool performance. It is difficult to get in, it is even more difficult to to pass 1 st and 2nd year, during which 'the weeding out " process takes place. 3rd year is much easier in comparison to 1 and the 2 year. As for the admittion process - I don't recall that "race" has even been a part of the appliction process. Admittion is usually done on paper or online, so there is hardly any room for discrimination.

PS. nobody gets a break because of their race of luck of language skills. There is no mercy - everybody has to perform according to university standards. It is a very fair system in my opinion.


why would yu say that? Statistics is quite easy to understand. My point is that statistics doesn't explain everything.

Fantastic boombastic, but the general point of your weired post is... ?

Great post

What's so great ? He can be right on many things but why the hell does he post It here ?

exactly - I found it refreshing and to the point. I very much enjoyed it.

I do not know the situation in Canada,if there is a fair percentage of black population.
I talk mainly about USA.What we discuss here is also hot pedagogic topic there.Americans take statistics very much into consideration and that is why they avoid problems like the ones France(with lower minority percentages) faced.

Maybe I will enter the discussion about educational systems and their evaluation but this is not the topic here.


The opposite.Statistics are quite difficult to understand.Especially high level statistics.It has been proved that understanding of statistics correlates linear with a person's IQ.

It is mainly stuff of the latest century and needs maths to grasp it.
From your answers it seems you do not have a concept of simple statistics items like sample size.


What was refreshing?This guy tried to manipulate numbers and mathematical methods.
You call this right?Right to manipulation?
O.K.

Precisly. Every country has its own struggle with minorieties and their fair treatment. Next time specify what country you are talking about and there will be less misunderstanding on my part.


Oh, OK then, therefore mY IQ is lower than yours then, accoding to your ideology.


I wouldn;t say that. You are speaking in general terms and it is difficult to understand what you are talking about. You need to be more specific.


prove it.


I can say the same about your post.

dont say that .... make me remember puzzler!!!
where r u puzzler ?
daffy dont be a bigot !!!!!! can you let back him please?
do you?

I already proved it.The 30% of blacks having IQ above polish people is fake.He made it up making bad use of standard deviation.
Also what he wrote about chances of highly educated in Poland is contrived but I will write about that maybe later.


My post is not manipulative cause I used statistical,scientific data.He used fallacies.Totally different way to prove sth.


Wrong.It is not my ideology.Americans have already measured all this.What I say is that you have not been taught statistics which americans in university learn and I am surprised how good they use them.

I know, we are the same zodiac sign, so I am as bad as he is.


I agree, that didn't make much sense and lacked logic. He had some good points about the ranking of Polish aducation system though, and a good point about the fact that the present situation is not a rehersal - it's is a real thing.

I do not know the educational system in Canada.Is it closer to french or to english model?French are considered to be a minority?I have read it is closer to european educational system than the american,I do not know.

French have their own universities in Quebec - some French, some English. I don't know how different their education is from the one in English speaking parts of Canada.


I am not an expert on the american education system, if we are talking about the uni level.
I can only compare canadian and polish, since those are the only 2 I have experinced.
Just to show you how different the Candian system is in comparison to Polish.
In Canada the prof has much more freedom when it comes to the curriculum of a particular subject, 2 profs teaching the same subject can teach it differently.

At my university people usually go for the professor moreso that for the subject, since some of them are better and more interesting than others, so there is a lot of flexibility, which I didn't find in Poland at all.

This is the same as in USA.Is student-professor relation more loose or formal?I mean can the students meet their prof. outside classroom etc?Can they ask questions interrupting the lecture?

Exams are based on multiple choice system or on memorization of pages?is there one book to be examed or are there multiple books and you choose?

In Canada universities are state owned,not true?

rather loose


yes, it is encouraged


oh , yes, it is welcomed by the profs


that and essey questions, also many courses reqire position papers quite often, sometimes on thinkers or based on book(s)


never


usually 2-3 of them or so called a course reader where the prof gathers the asighn readings.


subsudised by teh government, but still expensive, not as expensive as in the USA though.

haha. . i was about to start quarelin with u, but i checked thta site about IQ researches. .. . so it s true!! blacks are less inteligent:P that s why i didnt fit with my nigerian bf . . . . (nigeria-67, poland-99. hahh;D:D:D: )

I can't speak for anyone else but my family came here, for let's call it long term vacation.

I am English so where does my I.Q stand? Somewhere between 80 and 120, I suppose.

Mainly, surely, people come and visit Poland as it is still relatively cheap.

There is some truth in that.Relationships between people of similar educational level are more likely to be stable.

And your basis or evidence for this conclusion is?

Well I first came to Poland............ oh my I.Q. is ahhh what are we talking about

in regards to this topic, i believe humans have been moving from place to place for a long time, only since we have become very nationalistic do we recognise others as foreigners. where the british foreigners when they invaded africa and asia - that was called the great british empire. i don't land belongs to anyone, everyone has the right to it - just use it properly

i dont think soo

1. Compare IQ differences between the UK based Indians and India based Indians... The Asians who predominantly take University positions are Indians. See UCL, Kings, LSE and Imperial statistics.

2. Where did you find the statistic that says that UK based blacks have an avg. IQ of 80

3. My point is (and I think you missed it) is that a distribution is just that, A DISTRIBUTION. As such there are REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL RACES AT ALL PARTS OF THE CURVES.

4. Re UK based black IQ vs. global black IQ see point 1 regarding asians. IIRC The avg IQ in India is 80 - in the UK it doesnt differ much from the host population.

5. Asians do not take the best/majority of places at Oxbridge. Most students in Oxford/Cambridge are white and middle/upper class.

6. I am not seeking to prove anything about every person in either group. Im not even trying to question the validity of IQ tests. IMO they are both (given our current level of scientific advancement) a time consuming distraction which is highly unlikely to yield definitive results. My point is that it is your inferences are flawed.

7. As always (see 6. above also) I am willing to accept much of what you say (because as in many things, while splitting hairs is an integral part of intellectual rigour, when used overmuch and prematurely it can obscure and hinder the main thrust of the argument ). If we assume then that 5% of black people are of "suitably high intelligence" (I havent had time to read the above in detail in detail and in much of this dont have time to extract the exact terms that you used.) then given that there are 800 million black people on the planet that means that there are 40 Million black people on the planet with a significantly higher IQ than most members of the Polish population. In fact, in absolute terms, there are more high IQ "black people" then there are Polish People (or its a close thing). USING YOUR FIGURES.

8. In truth you are on a proverbial "hiding to nothing" when you try to infer (with certainty) things about an individual using sample statistics [from a phenomenon which follows an open tailed distribution] about a group. THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE with above avg. intelligence. Does that include you?

9. It is not beyond the realms that the most intelligent person person alive is NOT white (or black/african) for that matter.

As an aside in the above it seems as if you feel that I have an agenda which seeks to prove "contentious" facts about "blacks". Let me assure you that I am quite capable of distinguishing desire from fact. I am willing to accept (see above.) that blacks score lower AVERAGE IQ tests than whites. I personally couldnt care less above that. I do concern myself however with those among all populations who due to their own difficiencies fail to UNDERSTAND what that really means.


NOT in the UK..


NO I didnt do it assuming that you wouldnt be able to understand. Unfortunately though, it seems that the core point has evaded you.

See my posts above.

I post on quite a few forums and (as befits someone of my education) am quite capable of, and in truth even welcome, robust debate. I warn you though sir.. You will not find me wanting.

Your rebuttal please. (If you can)


You would do better to refer to me as IdW not "the black guy"..

I didnt call you "the pink guy" did I.. ;)


Keep reading.. It will dawn on you eventually... Maybe..


Did I.. ?

You dont know me.. Dont presume to attribute underhandedness to me where it could just be slovenliness, time constraints, or a sleight of hand for purposes of expediency.

I normally spend my time on economic forums and dont really have much time to read/post here.. In truth I cant even remember how I stumbled on this site.

I dont find the current changes in the UK interesting. I welcome Poles in general to the UK as even if this does cause temporary cultural/economic ructions, it is the System which is at fault and the relatively few INDIVIDUALS who call the shots.

I find some of the views here misguided and ill-informed.

Nonetheless (compliment alert) I am impressed in the main by the willingness on most of the combatants on this site (on all sides of all arguments) to engage in (semi-)reasoned debate.

I dont have a drum to bash regarding Poles in the UK as it doesnt really affect me directly. Yet!!


(MY) Case in point..

Its a distribution honey..

On are you below average.. (No insult intended!)

No... Besides... could you stop polluting "Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?" topic with your "black person this", "black person that" crap ?

Like a said above lots of reports have different numbers..

And yes Blacks in the West score higher than elsewhere.. (As covered elsewhere).. In fact nutrition is accepted as being a major determinant in IQ scores. So obviously YES.

TRY AND EXTRACT THE CORE POINT.. Or dont they teach you how to do that in poland? (Only joking!!)

example 101.

for integers

x + y = (x + 1) + (y -1)
x + 1 = x + 1

now given an example

2 + 2 = 3 + 1
3 + 1 = 3 (error!) [should be 3 + 1 = 4] (of course)

principle

Invalidating the INSTANCE doesn't invalidate the PRINCIPLE

As long as we are talking avg. on an open tailed distribution (with slim ends) there will be significant numbers of non-Pole "darkies" who possess significantly greater intelligence.

So stop all the name calling. Like the wife who complains that her husband just goes to sleep at night without paying attention to his husbandly duties [missing the point that the deficiency might lay with her], it just shows your lack of understanding.

what on earth has been the point of this thread?Black vs White IQ levels,eh,wtf has that got to do with why do people move to Poland? Statistics are the tool of the unimaginative and can always be manipulated by some smart a r s e to prove whatever they like. The whole of the above arguments have been pointless,untill we all become some how telepathicaly linked to other members of our exact racial background what on earth is to be gained by boasting how many high iq holders belong to your club?

So,apart from some Koreans selling dodgy looking hotDOGS and the freindly arab guys I met in a Warsaw Kebab shop,just who else is moving to Poland and why? Do people who manage to get out of belrus get leave to stay in Poland?

Probably the most IQed post of the whole topic.


To sum up the interesting arguments between southern and Idw, I think Idw is pretty angry at some anti-black posts at the HIV-related topic (which has been locked!) and elsewhere in this forum, and he, as an Oxfoxd student(?), wants to show that the Poles are untitled to sniff at European blacks like himself as they are the very elites of the blacks, who is more IQed to the Poles just by the sheer statistical power (I am among the top 5% of the 800 million with 85 IQ average, ergo I am more clever than you 106 IQ average racist scums!)

The posts of southern is much more clearer because it has only one obvious goal: to prove that the white (and Poles) are more IQed than blacks by putting forth mass statistics. Pure and simple.

What troubles me most is the undertone of Idw's posts (especially the 1st one). While I thoroughly think that some racist Poles should get what Idw think they deserve, there are too much hidden scorn of Idw towards Poland and Poles. Let's quote the famous passage again:


The stress on individual effort and achievements is noble, but the way Idw dismiss the whole yet very complicated state of Poland is an obvious mixture of scorn and ignorance. Idw has made the greatest mistake by fighting racism with racism and vanity with vanity. I just wonder if those racist remarks elsewhere were not by Poles but by the Teutons or Anglo-Saxons, then what will you do? Nay (I can't resist some drama-theatricality here!), what if they were made by the very articulate white 6ft2''male upper class Anglo-Saxons or Teutons? Possibly you will cry helplessly as a baby, who knows? Be clear.

To return to the main topic, the answers are simple:
-1st group: foreigners who have some connections and lots of love for Poland, they come to stay forever (or as long as the love in physical form is terminated!). Mostly from countries with large Polish immigration.

-2nd group: If they are from richer countries (Germany, France, Holland...), they come for pure professional job (which is demanded), and if they are from poorer non-EU countries, for Professional and low-paid job.

The situation in Poland is exceptionally similar to all other EU countries.

Polish people are moving to the UK and USA why should they ask why people are moving into Poland whats the big deal here.

Southern has all the traits of a National Socialst. I hope he doesn't come to the UK. We don't like Henrich Himmler.

Newsflash>> The question was," Why are foreigners coming to Poland and from which countries?".

Okay so lets break the question down and answer it in parts.

The "why", for economic reasons, for political reasons, for emotional reasons, non-specific reasons.
Which are the foreign groups identified as coming to Poland and what are their numbers?

So the first largely identifieable non-native group is the vietnamiese and china contingent. The second group might be..... please continue fellow forum postees.

(I visit this site to glean information and expand my knowledge of all things Polish, I have only recently returned online and the same constant banter of race this and race that is stillever present, not really conducive to anything. So it would be kinda cool if threads were to remain untanted by such chitter chatter)