Poland 2007 Elections: PO Won, PIS second

Tusk's grandpa deserted something like in 1940, so many years before the end of the war !


So what ? The past is behind us, it's over. Now we have to think of a better future, stop looking over your shoulder. It's like in a car, when you're driving, if you're spending your time watching behind you, you may have a big crash. I hope Poland won't have any crash...

By the way, during the Kaczki/Tusk TV debate, Kaczki attacked him on this subject, but just like you, he forgot to tell all the truth, that his grandpa were not a nazi, and deserted the German troops (he could have been killed for that).



LoL i hate Hitler, please don't think i like or support him, NO WAY ! My Polish grandpa served by force Germany (my Polish family is from Silesia). He never was a nazi, and by the way was not a soldier, so i think he didn't kill anybody. He worked for them.

To finish, i hope you know that all Germans were not nazis, do you ? Many were forced to belong to the nazi party, many were killed for telling the government they didn't agree, and others fought alongside the Allies.

In time of war, you don't know how you'd react. Imagine you were born in 1920. At the beginning of 1940 you were 20, and forced to join the enemy troops. If you protested, you were just shot dead. It's so easy to criticize someone's behaviour some 60 years after...

Look in front of you, the future is brighter than the past.

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I dont know fi this discussion stick to this subject.

To cut long stroy short, people a litle bit mixed (Polish-German) in western part of Poland or coming form miniorities like Kashubians were forced to join Wermaht, in German units they werent considered as true Germans and were always on first line so they prefered to desert and join alies ... .

That is all ...

True. And as i just said, it's easy to criticize today, your a.s.s. on your chair, with a glass of *** (what you want), for what happened in so "special" times...

German law between 1918 and 1945 forbade members of the Wehrmacht from belonging to any political party. The Nazis were in the Waffen SS. Or the Hitler Youth, like the Pope.

There is so many thing to criticize about PO and Tusk that to chose cheap propaganda about his grandfather is silly.

Another pathetic post about the Pope, he was not a Nazi. Some people here need to read some history books before start posting. TV is NOT enough. I'm Polish and i dare to say that more I read about Benedict decisions more I like him. His line seems to be better that policy of our Polish Pope on some aspects.

I don't want to say they are perfect, but is there really nothing to criticize about PiS and the Kaczkis...?

Kaczynski and PiS are socialists so almost from definition they are wrong about most of issues, however they discredit socialism and this is good. While Tusk and PO pretend to be liberals and in fact they are not. However in this situation they discredit liberalism and that is why I'm more upset with them than with PiS.

- He served just 14 days, really? Where did you get the news from, please? From PO propaganda leaflet perhaps? What 'Allied forces' could he join if he allegedly defected in 1940? What 'Allied forces' were in Poland in 1940? Where did you learn Polish history? At PO assemblies? What facts don't I allegedly know? And do you actually mean that I falsely accuse Tusk's grandpa of having been Wehrmacht member and Tusk of lying he didn't know about it? What do you mean when you allege that a typical PiS supporter doesn't know 'the facts' and accuses somebody? Give specific examples of it. Oh yes, the polaczkis like yourself (as different from true Polish people) do not care about Tusk's grandpa's Nazi past, nor about Polish history in general. It's thanks to those like yourself that first the ex-communist horde was free to devastate Poland, and now their close acquaintances - the PO - are about to do the same. What future can have one who chooses to forget his country's past? What kind of citizen is one who helps a bunch of evildoers grab power in his country? PO are evildoers - they gave evidence of this when they destructively blocked all PiS's attempts to implement essential political reforms in Poland. And you are their zealous supporter.

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We personnally don't judge a person on his past, but on his skills, and will to make change. But if the past is the only thing that matters to you, so okay, let's support the Kaczkis, the baby cinema stars, right ?...


And where did you get the news that they were nazi, and they fought on Hitler's side ?? Where, tell me ?!!! No propaganda, just losers thoughts, yours...

- So you say. But how was it in reality?


- Isn't it interesting that you seem to be as defensive of the Germans under Hitler as you're defensive of your grandpa? Wow, so according to you many - yep, you say many! - Germans were allegedly forced to join the Nazi party? And many - yes, you say many! - were allegedly killed for telling the Hitler government 'they didn't agree' (with what?)?! And allegedly many - you really say many!! - fought 'alongside the Allies'?! Oh boy, and where did you learn all this from? Is that what they hammer into schoolboys' heads in France nowadays?


- The future looks certainly grim with ignorant folks like yourself in Europe. And yes, the dull ones often believe in bright future.
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- Whom do you mean by 'they'? Write clearly, please (if you can).


- Do you mean that only those to whom 'the past is the only thing that matters' should support PiS? What do you mean by that? Please explain. And the persons surname is actually Kaczynski, not Kaczki. It's a cheap and indignant rhetoric trick to ridicule somebody's surname. Your surname can also be ridiculed. What is your surname? Let me make fun of it. As for your allusion to Kaczynskis' having been actors as children, does it follow you feel contempt for actors - child actors? So according to you people who were actors as children cannot be politicians? Why? Please explain the reason for your discriminatory attitude. Well, well, and you have the guts to suggest that somebody's past should be forgotten, while at the same time you bring in and are contemptuous towards Kaczynskis' past. You would like the past to be forgotten only when it suits you, e.g. when your family's inglorious past is concerned, right? See how bigoted and self-centered you are?

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My grandfather was Polish, he would never have fought for Hitler on his own, i knew him, please respect his memory, he was a good man...


I mean that thinking that all Germans were nazi is stupid. If you don't like the word "many", so let's replace it by "some", is it better ?...

I told you, i'm not defending Germany, but i'm just being objective. Do you really think that each German was a nazi ?...


Okay now i'm an ignorant, what will i be next time ?...Tell me what is so useful in always looking backward instead of looking ahead. The past was bad, i know it, you know it, we all know it. The future will be better, but looking at the past will slow down everything we could do to build a better future.


The Tusk's family, they, grandpa, grandma, dad, dog, hamster, everyone...

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Those who always look at the past are very conservative...
I know it's Kaczynski, but you know, too long for me...and i'm an ignorant ;)
I'm not going to give you my surname as i don't think it'd be useful, i'm not going to be PM or president...

Tusk had a difficult childhood. Poor family, lost his dad when he was only 13. Worked hard to earn enough to survive. And finally worked with Solidarnosc, while the Kaczynskis were making movies...(kidding ;)

When did i choose to remind somebody's past ?? You did it, i didn't...

- You are utterly wrong here, mon ami. In reality, looking at the past, keeping it alive as it really was, true to facts, ensures prosperous future. Forgetting or falsifying the past ensures bad future. Even Bob Marley knew that, re: 'If you don't know your history / Then you don't know where you're coming from'!

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- Yeah, I can see you've read (and believe) PO Soviet-style propaganda of its leader. Yes, you're very ignorant - the Kaczynskis were prominent Solidarity actvists; Tusk was nobody compared to them.

I know history is important, mon ami ;) But is it really good to base each decision on it ?...We can't change the past, whereas changing the future is quite "easy"...

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I'm just well informed. Why are the Kaczynskis always right (for you), and Tusk not ?...Why a propaganda ?

You know what, we can talk as much as we want, Tusk is going to be PM, that's all. Then we will see what happen.

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- What do you specifically mean by 'base each decision on it'? Who does so? Give examples, please.


- You mean: he's got power, so his critics should shut up? Those who have power are always right, is that what you mean? :)


- It shouldn't be hard to imagine what will happen, but, in the end, future is basically unknown. So let's wait and see.

"Chasing" commies, attacking Germans on their past, etc. Maybe not strictly "each" decision, but a lot.

I don't know if you're in Poland now, but here it's getting late (2:35 AM), i think it's time to go ;) Good night Puzzler.

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No, you are free to think what you want ;)


True, it's going to be good, or at least not worse than Jaroslaw...we'll see.

Teraz, dobranoc :)

Yeah, good night to you. I wish you waking up wiser.
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Thanks ;) If waking up wiser means supporting PiS tomorrow morning then i should commit suicide... :P

Night.

- You wouldn't have to. Fools are already dead.

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I would swear i was alive though...

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I'm off.

PO are communist bastards. Why are some of you happy about this?

Tsss...s.h.u.t up, we'll see what happen ;)

[quote=Puzzler] You wouldn't have to. Fools are already dead.l

lol.. ameriphob