Will Poland become green?

A great blog on climate and global warming: Real Climate.

i saw the titles of a few books there and i know what kind of blog this is:"there is only one truth-if you think different you are a dick head"

It's not that kind of blog at all. (Though the authors do accept global warming, and the human contribution towards it.) It's written by climate scientists, not politicians or PR people. I think it offers the best that science has to offer on this topic. You'll find analyses of Timothy Bell's misconceptions if you look....

WTF are you blabbing about again.
The production of Syrenka was halted a few years before your last visit in Poland.

There is a scientific explanation to this anomaly, my wife is finishing her PhD at the National Institute for Soil Science here in Pulawy, and she was telling me that there is strong evidence to suggest that man has had an indirect affect on the climate in Europe even as far back as the 14th century.

In the 1340s the Black Death had spread to Europe and is said to have wiped out over a third of Europe's population, this caused a drastic drop in agriculture and a massive rise in forestation in Europe.

This rise in forestation had a massive impact because millions of trees sprang up on abandoned farmland, soaking up carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and researchers at my wife's institute think that this drop in carbon dioxide levels could help to explain a cooling in the climate over the following centuries.

This in turn would have had a massive effect of cooling the climate.
Before this time as Grzegorz says Europe had a period that was relatively warm, but after the 14th century this warm period was replaced by the so-called "little ice age".

This would explain the freezing of the Baltic and the pictures of the freezing of the River Thames where they would hold markets on the ice in the winter.

And I may add that all the scientist that I have spoken to from this institute totally agree that man’s impact is having a direct influence on the world’s climate.

Furthermore, most of these so-called facts disproving global warming have been put out by the US and other countries that do not want to fork out billions in redeveloping their industries to be cleaner.

Exactly, and it is the Poles lovely Kraków and their Nowa Huta which is more responsible for global warming that almost anything else.

I do not believe that it is the United States that does not want to clean up its act, rather the United States wants to secure the future of China, which is the main concern. China is earning billions of dollars and already has considerable economic management and control in the United States of America.

This is something like they write a nice story aimed from the start to blame the human. Then they will demand donations from goverment.

Question is why all those scientist who claim that global warming is caused by human always presuppose that activity of the sun is constant through the centuries. This is such a simplification and for sure not based on science. This is logical that activity of the sun does affect climate on our planet. I have seen some graphs based on mensurations of other scientists that activity of the sun is changing.

there is another very interesting article to read.

ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/20060920/20060920_13.html

so mr pks driver.do you want to call these people dick heads too?
btw.my friend told me a funny story.
apparently the term "global warming" was used and through that popularised by margarett thatcher during miner's strikes in 1980's.it was used as one of the many arguments to shut mines down.i don't know this part of the english history so that i can't verify it but it's still interesting.the guy who told me that is university educated so i think he must have known this story from a good source.

rafik here's a quote from your link....

None of this means that we can stop worrying about global warming caused by emissions into the atmosphere. "The temperature of the Earth in the past few decades does not correlate with solar activity at all," Solanki says. He estimates that solar activity is responsible for only 30 per cent, at most, of the warming since 1970. The rest must be the result of man-made greenhouse gases, and a crash in solar activity won't do anything to get rid of them.

The term "global warming" was LONG before Thatcher and had nothing to do with the miners strike.
and another.....

There is a dangerous flip side to this coin. If global warming does slow down or partially reverse with a sunspot crash, industrial polluters and reluctant nations could use it as a justification for turning their backs on pollution controls altogether, makingmatters worse in the long run. There is no room for complacency, Svalgaard warns: "If the Earth does cool during the next sunspot crash and we do nothing, when the sun's magnetic activity returns, global warming will return with a vengeance."

Who says it is consistent?
Anyone with a bit of common sense knows that the suns influence changes over the years. If fact if you want, I can post a scientific paper that has been recording the suns radiation index since the 1950s to the present day, and shows a vast fluctuation even in 50 years.

That is if admin will let me. :O)


This is too simple to describe it as a story, when there is logical scientific evidence to prove it.

Still there have been disbelievers of scientific facts throughout history and always will be so it seems from the posts above :O)

But still population of Europe in 17th century must have been bigger than in 10th/11th and If humans activity in the Middle Ages could change so much then in modern times with all this industry and energy consumption we would have destroyed the Earth long time ago (but It's still colder than in 10th/11th century). I'm not saying that humans don't have any impact on climate but It's more like pissing into the pool - disgusting but don't really change much. Besides It's more about how "global warmers" want to react - in "idealistic" (or rather idiotic) way - like "let's reduce the number of cars" and even If people in Europe are somehow forced to do so, Chinese won't give a damn anyway and soon they will have more cars than the whole EU. The best example is reduction of co2 in Poland forced by EU, which now with all these investments simply means that a part of industry (like production of construction elements) will move to Ukraine, which didn't even sign Kyoto agreement, so these companies over there won't give a damn about co2 emission and in result total emission of co2 in our region will be bigger and Poland will lose money, which could be invested among other things in development of alternative sources of energy... very "smart", Isn't It ?

Again your talking about things you know nothing about. Thatcher broke the miners because they were going on strike every other week to get more money. But it was more about breaking the unions and not the miners or global warming.

The impact of naturally occurring events can have tremendous impacts on our environment as well. Mount Pinotubo ejected around 20- million tons of sulfur dioxide into the environment. How many cars does this represent? What about forest fires (natural and man made...) what is that impact?

i know the reasons why mrs thather wanted to shut these mines down but as i said she used this argument as one of many other.that was picked up by some scientists and journalists.

sorry mate this is not true, because last week I was reading Ukraine might be one of the main beneficiaries of the kyoto agreement because it can sell large amounts of unused assigned emission rights to larger polluters, which in my eyes is nonsensical and makes a mockery of the kyoto agreement.


As I said before mate, you have a unique way of using English, which is great...keep it up!! :O)

Must go now, speak on this after Christmas..happy polluting free Christmas to you all :O)

another scientis say that as follows;

Global average temperatures have risen by about 0.6 °C in the past century, and until recently almost all of this has been put down to human activity. But that may not be the only factor at work. A growing number of scientists believe that there are clear links between the sun's activity and the temperature on Earth. While solar magnetic activity cannot explain away global warming completely, it does seem to have a significant impact. "A couple of years ago, I would not have said that there was any evidence for solar activity driving temperatures on Earth," says Paula Reimer, a palaeoclimate expert at Queen's University, Belfast, in the UK. "Now I think there is fairly convincing evidence."

all i want to say is that even the scientists can't agree on what is the source of the changing temperatures.some say that we are responsible for 70% others that 4% of carbon emission.some predict global warming others global cooling.i can prove that the earth is flat if i have media behind me.at the moment media love the subject of global warming and make people believe that we,the humans,are entirely responsible for every disaster in the world.this is a superb excuse for introducing so called "green taxes".i used to pay 50£ for a ticket to poland now i can rarely find something below 100£.

i don't say that we don't pollut our environment.in my previous posts i agreed with recycling so on

Indeed looks like they joined but now co2 emission in both Poland and Ukraine is below the limits from Kyoto and the EU limits for Poland are much lower, which will force to move parts of industry to the east where restrictions will be smaller than they are even now in Poland, so generally my point is still standing.

Return flights under 40 pound

wizzair.com/skylights/cgi-bin/skylights.cgi

All taxes included?

Yes!

we paid 125£ each with ba in september(before that the price was below 75,also 120 with centralwings in may(before 50-70£) booking a few months in advance.


most of the prices i checked were for over 50 and if not green taxes we would be paying half of that.
you don't want to deny that there are usless green taxes in the price of ticets do you?i wouldn't mind paying them if they were used for some green projects but at the moment none of them are used properly.we are being ripped off in the name of so called global warming.that's it

- Poland is quite green when compared to many other countries, but she'll soon get as slick as they are.
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Bubba, what have you done in Poland as regards air pollution? Just contributed to it...?You drive a lot, don' ya?
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I just checked again mate. Wizz air from Gatwick to Kracow end of Feb 39 pound return

I think he already lost any credibility when he said that "he wished that someday humans will reach the solar system". :))

I beg to differ...I was there from July until August and I went around the country and everywhere was so hot.....

The climate is so complex that it isnt controlled by just one or two factors. Numerous influences effect the climate including CO2 emissions, el nino, sun activity etc. At present no one can say for sure exactly what is causing climate change. However the general consensus is that the Earth is warming and man is to a certain extent influencing this.

And scientist argue to what extend, very small or maybe bigger.

AMEN Grzegorz, finally someone is sounding normal here. Global wraming is a farce and is not because of man. Did you know that wet lands create more green house gases in a day, than all the cars and trucks in a year. There are alot of people having

Gore-gasms, when there is a lot of info not reported on the side of that man can never do this than what he is doing that you will never hear. This is natural and the amount of warming has not increased the amount and ferocity of hurricanes and scientists have come out to say so. Al has created a new religion, tell me how can there be eveidence of grape vines on grenland if it is covered with ice?? Must have been different times whem it wasn't, so it happens and then it doesnt, we are now breaking a record in North America for the coldest December on record, so you tell me.....Bah humbug!!

The problem lies in the enforcement of Regulations/Directives. I cast my mind back to when I was doing EU Environmental Law as part of my Masters. The enforcement apparatus basically had no teeth but a series of breaches by Italy necessitated a tougher stance. That was back in 1999/2000 so I assume that the position has changed somewhat from then. Poland joined in May 2004 and will definitely get help with the interpretation of Environmental Directives. I currently live in Silesia, the most polluted region of Poland, and u should need a protective mask to walk down Pszczynska street (Gliwice). The fumes are at a tragic level. Having said that, that is just an example and I can't see Poland faring much worse, if any, than its Western counterparts who have/have had more experience in handling environmental issues. Only time will tell

This is one of main reasons we I love the EU so much. They produce millions of useless regulations and nonessential directives with speed of machine gun. Taxpayer sponsored bureaucratic nightmare. They create imprecise directives that can be interpreted. Lawmakers whom act in such way should be simply fired because they are incompetent. I think that regional structures know better what they need to change to improve environment than Central Committee in Brussels.