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Ahem, fist millenium was from the year 0 - 999,
Second millenium from the year 1000 - 1999
Polish as a language was recognised sometime between 1000 - 1999. This is the second millenium. Therefore, Polish wasn't spoken before the second millenium.
You are the idiot, not me.


Why should you believe something that is anti polish? because it maybe true and factual. An example - 'Poland having a crap football team' is a fact, it is anti Polish by nature, but still true. Logical error - no, just yours.


You're bullshitting, you're still to show me where i'm bullshitting.


Finally we agree on something (other then the economic posts earlier on in the thread), you're beginning to see things my way aren't you? :)


I'm sure he (like I) share the same opinion of yourself.

I still doubt it as because countries members of EU are in fact in competition between themselves. It only looks fine on paper, but it has not bases in the real economy.

Lots of variety in the arguments, some good points, some a little paranoid, some a bit pointless and personal, which dont have any place here guys....honestly!

As an Irishman, I do have a different perspective - relatively speaking Ireland (the Republic of that is) has only been independent since 1922.......only 800 odd years, of Normans, plantations, famine ( 1840...8 million people lived in Ireland, 1900.....only 4 million) English and British rule.........have we disappeared...no....is Ireland......benefiting from EU member ship absolutely yes, and by speaking English and taking RISKS........and more importantly....learning how to play the game........who to speak to in the EU, who to form alliances with.

You wont be annexed at all...............its only in your minds!

Cast off all your old doubts and fears..........you will be very surprised how your proud nation will grow over the next decade..........I look forward to Poland once again taking its rightful place in the centre of the European union, but it requires hard work, diligence and bravery...........................Poland has an abundance of all three...good luck!

OMG ..Year 0 ??? There`s no such thing as "year 0" - I don`t know how about the UK, but at least in Poland with this kind of "knowledge" you wouldnt`t only be able to graduate from the university - you wouldn`t also be able to graduate from the elementary school.

You`re digging yourself deeper and deeper into the shit. It`s pretty clear that earlier you`ve mixed up "millenium" and "century" ..not to mentioning "BC" and "AD" ..as well as the fact that the Polish language is in existance since the VI century AD.. (before that there was the proto-Slavic language) ..and now you`re trying to get out of this.

Perhaps you`re going to try to give me some other "lecture" about the history of my country - arsechole.. ?


So once again - was this "lecturer" of yours a "Sunday student" or a professor?



I`ve made an observation that dumb people always tend to like eachother. Perhaps it makes them forget about their defects.

to all of you!

i hate when polish people refer to poles working abroud as "doormats of europe or us"...it's not true! it's very disrespectful to call anyone using this deregatory term!

it's not like someone is putting a gun to our heads....we choose to do it!

even if a lot of poles are working as construction workers and house keepers it doesn't make them less of a human beeing! there's nothing we have to be ashamed off, on the contrary if they work hard they should get a lot of respect !

also there is a lot of successful poles living abroad that don't have to clean houses to pay bills...i came to usa when i was only 18 and right work as a designer and i'm a senior in mass collge of art (my parents didn't pay for my school)... and i'm only 24

all of my polish friends have either decent or very well paid jobs here working as acionaries, managers, designers, programers etc, they get paid as much as americans...so as you know it's all up to the individual.....you just have to work your ass off

i know that it's a little off the topic, but i'm sooo sick of listening to self conscious poles
"dobre bo polskie" w koncu!!!!!!

just needed to get it out off my system

I’m always quite happy to enlighten a misguided Pole:


From a quick search on the internet (different sites used):

"Polish began to emerge around the 10th century, the process largely triggered by the establishment and development of the Polish state."

“The earliest surviving manuscripts containing Polish words are some 12th-century Latin texts containing Polish proper names; there are no extant Polish writings of substantial length from before the 14th cent”

“The first secular texts began to appear in the 13th century. The first attempt to codify the rules of the Polish language was made around the 15th century, at the same time as Polish started to be used in legal documents and court books”

“Polish has developed so much that the texts written in the Middle Ages are not 100-per-cent understandable to contemporary Poles and need to be read with a dictionary of archaisms.”

Please can you justify how you think the polish language has been around since the 6th century? Maybe you’ve got your numerals mixed up, geez, how did they let you out of primary school?

In the UK, students refer to their lecturers as lecturers (unless they are speaking to them directly), irrespective of the fact they’re MA, Phd, or any other professional qualification or otherwise. My lecturer was a lecturer for UJ, she was also a Doctor of History working at UJ. Why do you have such a problem accepting this?

The difference between you and I is that I can make a mistake and own up to it – you can’t. Try to produce evidence that the Polish language was in use in the 6th century, if not, say you made a mistake.

Dude - do you know that ALL children in highschool (at least in my times) in this country had to memorize Bogurodzica - the Polish 13th century anthem in its original version ?.. as well as that studying medieval texts in their original version is an element of the highschool program?

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Yeah, and she is also a student of History..

No qualified lecturer - especially a doctor of history - would write such nonsense as you`ve did.

Yes they are, and?

Mr Cognito, or dude as you put it

Are you a Politican or something? You successfully manage to evade every accusation I've thrown at you for posting incorrect information

You haven't been able to produce evidence saying the Polish language was used in the 6th century - as per your post. "Polish began to emerge around the 10th century", the written form emerged later. This is not the 6th century.

Medieval Polish is used in the school program - OK. Read the quote thoroughly:
"Polish has developed so much that the texts written in the Middle Ages are not 100-per-cent understandable to contemporary Poles and need to be read with a dictionary of archaisms.”

This suggests the text are 70 % understandable (estimated %) - 30% has to be defined because its old, redundant language. I've got no quibble with your statement - it agrees with the quote i've found.

You seem absolutely unwilling to accept a lecturer may also be a doctor in his/her field and, god forbid, still be a student of their chosen field. I didn't realise as soon as you had your doctorate you could then forget about most of your lifes work to date and find another hobby.

The quote used was not one she wrote in a book (this is your incorrect assumption and I've never suggested otherwise either, please check the thread)- use your common sense man! I've already said that I should've used a more subtler quote which would have meant the same thing albeit using slightly less robust language. She was paraphrasing at the end of a series of lectures and it gave the class a bit of light hearted relief as is needed after 90 minutes of study.

Why don't you grow up a little bit and just say "i made a mistake about the 6th century quote?"

Hmmm.. So far you had written that:

- Poles would be better of under German rule cose each time we were governing ourselves we were falling into anarchy..
- That the above statement had been said by a lecturer - a female history student..
- then that this history student is a doctor of history with 50 years of experience - which btw would make her something around 90 years old.. and that age 99% of the academic teachers already has a professors title and is since some 15-20 on retirement.

- then you`re mixing "century" with "millenium" and "BC" with "AD"
- then you`re writing something about "year 0"
- and then you`re saying that the Polish language didn`t existed before 10th century..
- and you`re also implying that something which is "anti-Polish" has to be true - which is an obvious lack of understanding of those words... I understand that according to that kind of logic everything what is "anti-Semitic" or "anti-American" is also true and has to be accepted by the Jews and Americans


And though, you are seeing the full English text you`ve quoted - you have dificoulties in understanding it. Hint: The written form begun to emerge between 990-992 with the creation of Dagome iudex.


And the author, the book title, year and place of publication, the page number of where that quote is.. ?

Hi Wujek,
If ever there was an award for misquoting somone i think you'd get it


Where did I say the bit about German ruling Poland? It is your inference that the EU is ruled by Germany, not mine. The second bit about anarchy was a quote from someone who was teaching me, which leads me on to..


Beautiful misquote 'a female history student'. I said 'a student of history'. You're misquote is misleading and wrong. As i've tried to explain many times - a lecturer can have a Phd and can still study the subject, which in my eyes is fine. Why she still is lecturing now is none of my business.


As admitted these were typos. Nothing more nothing less, get over it.


Not me, history books and internet sites.


Nice bit of work on misinterpreting my words. Not has to be true, just is possible. Mr Cognito said "A logical error - Why should I belive something that is anti-Polish?.. " My reply "Why should you believe something that is anti polish? because it maybe true and factual."

Would you care to misrepresent any of my other words?


NOT WRITTEN IN A BOOK!! Please see above posts for where it came from.

It looks that the situation cooled a little bit down, so we can get back to this interesting thread without any anger or other negative emotions.


Very interesting assumption. But if we take it as a ultimate truth, there is a very crucial question emerging, namely: how Poland could have survived for over eight hundred years on it’s own?? Better yet, how did the Poles manage to establish their country as one of the most powerful countries in Europe, starting from the beginning of the 15th till the mid 17th centuries?(actually they were very successful even before that time, but this period is considered to be the heyday of the Rzeczpospolita)


Exceedingly good at messing things up? Wow, that’s a very strong word. I agree that Poland made some wrong decisions in it’s history, but so did France, England, Russia, etc… Labeling only Poles with this expression is unfair and not truth.

As for your Polish History Lecturer, I met similar people in my life and all I can say abut them is, that there are exaggerating. They behave just like rape victims, blaming only themselves for what have happened. It’s truth, that one of the reasons that Poland disappeared from the surface of Europe was the fact that some nobles were thinking more about their gain instead oh the gain of their country. But we cannot underestimate other significant causes of that situation, such as the effects of the participation in many armed conflicts at the same time (the ongoing rivalry on multiple borders with the Ottoman Empire, the Swedes and the Russians; another war with Sweden and with Cossack at the same time, etc). Poland survived all this conflicts, but was weakened by them, which finally lead to the partition of it’s territory by it’s three neighbors.

In conclusion, your history lecturer seems to forget over 700 prosperous years when Poland was a very strong country, and only focus on the last 80 miserable ones.…How fair is that?

Or maybe you were thinking about the 20th century Polish history? That would be also interesting, as I don’t remember Poles exceedingly messed something up in that period.



Yes, Polish began to emerge around 10th century. FYI, 10th century is between the years 900-999. :)

I still don’t understand why is that so important…Besides, it’s not that Poles didn’t knew how to speak before 10th century.


The advantage of the UK is that it’s placed on an island. What would be the fate of England if it would be surrounded by three hostile super powers, just as it was the case with Poland?


Lost a great deal of the time? I would say that’s the other way around.

In response to your first point, I was annoyed at the time and I hit out and I apologies, but please explain why we have lost more times??

In response to your second point, yes England has been invaded, the saxons, the normans, the romans (these all quite a few years ago), but as a tiny island we have invaded and colonised quite a few counties around the world, whether that be right or wrong, in the second world war we trained the US special forces, thus proving we have far better resources that even a country the size of the USA...

As for being on an island this is true but we are surround by many countries all substantially larger than us, we might be small but we are determined we have fort the germans twice and both times they lost, we were a dertermined nation, I say were because these days we'd be lucky to win at teckan again another country!

and i mean no disrespect to our armed forces with my last comment I have the upmost respect for them and what they do, it the rest of the nation i speak about..

What I ment was that Poland won much more battles than it had lost. Didn't even think about England.


In the XIX century UK was the biggest country in the world. It's expansion was truly impressive and nobody is arguing about that. What I meant is that Poland disappeared because it's three neighbors, at that time three European super powers, took advantage of Poland’s exhaustion after participating in many conflicts at the same time. England was never placed in that position, so it's unfair to compare the history of these two countries, and say that one is more valuable then the other, but I understand now that your reaction was triggered by Mr. Cogito’s aggressive posts, so let’s just forget about the whole situation. :)

Now you can relax and enjoy by this process... :)
Most of us wanted it and finally got it.. lol!
As I told you guys before, very soon we will lose our identity or even the land.