The 4th annexation of Poland - Watch LIVE now!

bu - cha - I come from the North of England...LOL

Mr Cogito - We have managed to stay on the Map for considerably longer though - we didnt dissapear for 123 years, I really dont want to get into some sensless argument about this but Poland has been invaded more times than i've had hot dinners and lost a great deal of the time, the English have battles (may I add that we are a tiny Island) and done quite well.

Mr cogito,

You failed to answer my question. Come on, admit your failure. It takes a strong man to say 'sorry, I'm wrong'. We will admire you for it.

When you have something valid to say. I'll respond.

Mr Cognito - Mr Gormless more like.

It would be so easy of me to produce evidence for you being a twat. The forum is littered with examples. I can only hope that you don't have any offspring, Lord knows the world can do without further gormless individuals.

I really have no idea what you want to say here, but the point is that without foraign rule the English would fall into anarchy.


Lets see what you have written earlier..



So I`ve googled Clementene Sobieski ...and she`s some grand, grand grand mother of the courrent queen of England.. hmmmm.. I would say that you`re only proving my point.

And were all Polish kings Polish? - no - but most of them had to reside in Kraków, sign a contract and wasn`t even allowed to "wipe their buttom" without the Sejm`s allowence under the threat of inprisonment. Remember Henryk Walezy, who didn`t wanted to sign Pacta Conventa giving our country the control over the French fleet and how he had to flee to France in women clothing. I`m going to say more - since 1386 it wasn`t important who was the king in this country. Jagiello for example had to accept Christianity and had to create an union between Poland and Lithuania, but even then the real power was with the Sejm and Jadwiga.

England on the other hand was an absolutist monarchy for most of its time.


I`ve been just voicing a critical opinion based on what you have written in this topic. If you can not take criticism then that`s your problem.

Mr Cogito,

Now that you have checked I can see that you are learning. The difference between you and the rest of us here is that we all knew the facts, before you started your arguement.

A little less shouting and a little more revision and I might agree on some of your points.

Was Poland not divided from 1772 - 1779 between Prussia, Austria, and Russia, thus elimating Poland as we see it now???

Foreign rule - please explain


Voicing?? you called him an idiot.

Please lets not let this get into a slanging match.

Don't forget arsehole, he called me an arsehole :)

simon_porter00 - oky dont get excited....simon..

Lets see what simon wrote at the beginning of this "debate":


Now. Perhaps you should - think - a little bit before opening your mouth, or do you think that simon is right - if that`s the case - sorry, but I have no choice - I have to call you with an "i" word.


Yes - and England was overran and ruled by foreign powers how many times 5? 10?


Take the Romans, Normans, Saxons for example.


Yes - I was vocing an adequate description of him.


Another adequate description.

an example of something a little more recent please.

last 200 years would be good


also an example of something a little more recent and a time shall we say when England lost it's language and name!

How about 2006 and the Pakistani/Arab invasion?


2020 - England is being renamed to Western Pakistan?

So, me quoting a Polish History Doctor, working at one of the most prestigious univeristies in Europe started all this off? A doctor of history with 50 years of experience - and you dismiss it and assume you know better?

It was wrong of me to quote that particular sentence. I could have quoted another which says exactly the same thing but with slightly less inflammatory language but the point is valid. You claim to know ALL ABOUT the history of Poland and yet the one inescapable fact - that nearly all self rule in Poland over the last millenia has been messed up by its own people seems to have escaped you. Maybe you would prefer not to know about it - in which case you are ignorant.

And on a further point in which you're wrong is that this debate/thread was started by patriot/non-patriot saying that Germany was taking over poland again! I used the quote in the context that an overall governing body that sets laws over all member EU states is a good thing - for all member states, not just for Poland.

Maybe YOU are the commie. It seems to fit the bill - ignoring history, changing detail to suit your own agenda, refusing to see facts and go blindly along in your life following your own incorrect assumptions.

Your sniping about foriegn rule in England is an argument you'll never win - Poland's case is history is much more tainted then ours.

A final word about the insults - It takes one to know one.

Oh God - and a racist to boot. You are a commie bastard!

Mr Cogito - that's not a very inteligent answer I expected more...tut tut...x


I hardly think those comments make him a commie or a racist, I'd say quite amusing to be honest...and if we dont do something in this country to slow the imigration he's probably right.

Well, it seems to me that now you`re trying to weasel out of the whole situation by bullshitting the people on this board.

So this lecturer of your is suddenly a "Polish History Doctor, with a 50 year experience" - it`s quite a progress that she had made during the last 20 minutes.

But seriously: noone who has a degree in history, or as a matter of fact has read ONE single book concerning Polish history would write such bullshit as you did. And in addition, I really don`t need some foraign arsecholes, who are living here since how long? A couple of weeks? - Lecturing me about the history of my country, pretending to know something they obviously have no idea about.

We have also many so called "Sunday students" in this country who somehow got lost at the university and who know what "higher education" means only from the stories told by their friends.


This quote you`ve used by the way had been used many, many times by the Nazis btw. and this whole idea had been created just after WWI, at the begining of the XIX century when Germany had to give up some of its teritory - this was the main propaganda argument for the Germans to oppose the changes of their eastern borders.

I also somehow don`t get the idea why someone who obviously dosnt know what a "millenium" is and mixes it with the word "century" - bucause I`m 100% this is what you`ve ment when saying that the "Polish language hasnt existed before the second millenium BC" - unlike Latin (which also didn`t existed before the second millenium BC)

So - It looks as if you`d have much to learn.


He`s not right now - you`re here. When he`s going to show up, we`re also going to have a little chat :)

It depends.

Mr Cogito - I would say otherwise, in truth it's not really going to happen, so my comment was absolutly true, it wasnt a very inteligent answer which is also absolutly true so in fact it doesnt depend on anything xx

Doesn't matter what nationality they were - it matters what good vs evil they brought to the country of Poland.

I made a mistake - should have wrote AD instead of BC, big deal, your posts are littered with mistakes, some whoppers in fact.

Who bullshitting? I'm sorry for not including all her details at the beginning - perhaps you would like her vital stats as well? In any case it wouldn't matter who or what said it - the fact is you're not going to believe anything anti Poland/Polish on this board 'cos you're so in a rut with what you believe nothing exists outside of your blinkers you wear.

If I was to say the Polish football team played shite in the last two world cups you'll probably throw your toys out. Fine, I've got more important things to deal with then you.

Whenever Patriot is around, you seem to be buddies - it figures, he can get stuck in. I'll not lose any sleep over it nor over what an intellectually ineffective piece of flotsam like you has to say.

"Poland joining the EU is almost entirely a good thing for Poland."
Let someone explain this -- why there are many countries that did not join the EU and don't plan to join it in the future? IF it's so good, why don't every country who can join it?

To be honest i don't mind poland joining the EU but would rather not let any other country join the Eu x

mosiek - it all depends on what a country needs and how much they stand to gain...in Polands case many doors have opened, therefore not a bad thing on top of that is the state of a countries economic state - these are things that are considered before joining the EU.

Well, this would mean that you wanted to say that there was no Polish language before the year 2000..

Sorry but this is yet another proof that you`re an idiot - I guess that this "debate" is over..


A logical error - Why should I belive something that is anti-Polish?.. but I guess that I`m going to give you a brake on this one - You`re just a little bit slow - and I`m not a sadist.


You are bullshitting, simon, you..


Well, our team is plays like shit - they should be all fired.. but I don`t see any point why you`re writing this.


I haven`t seen this Patriot before on this forum though I`m here since quite a while - When he`s going to show up - we`re going to see who`s the bigger idiot you or he.

mosiek - it all depends on what a country needs and how much they stand to gain...in Polands case many doors have opened, therefore not a bad thing on top of that is the state of a countries economic state - these are things that are considered before joining the EU.

And this should be conclustion -- for Poland now and here it's good for Poles that Poland joined the EU. But in the long term (within the next 20-50 years or so) it's doubtful it will be good because Poland will never play an important role in the EU.

The EU is giving many opportunities to its members.. And beside Belarus, Norway and Switzerland there aren`t any countries in Europe who don`t want to get in.. and even in case of those 3 countries the public opinion there is divided on that issue.

Do you have any idea how the situation in Europe is looking right now or how does the EU work?

How can you look into the future, economic growth in Poland is getting stronger and stronger, who says that they wont play a part, I think that you have a very negative attitude.

I know all members are "supposed" be "equal". But it does not is true~! Which bank is the main bank of the European Union? (hint: the German bank). Will PKO ever have a chance to manage finances (and make tons and tons of profits) of the European Union? I dount for it.

The main bank of Europe is the European Central Bank...

The organisation of the ECB is modelled on that of the German Bundesbank and Landesbanken.

The Executive Board consists of six members which are elaborating the strategies for the bank's policy. Four of these six seats are reserved for the Eurozone's four big central banks of France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Central_Bank

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4 out of 6 sits are reserved. Why Poland is not reserved and will never be? I cannot see Poland as the eqal player now or in the future. It's a game between these "reserved" countries and other countries which get leftowers.

Because those are the largest Eurozone countries - Poland is the same size as Spain - so when we`re going to be in the Eurozone - we`re also going to be a reserved member.