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ARE LATVIANS AND OTHER 'BALTICS' HOSTILE TOWARDS POLES?


lesser 4 | 1,311  
26 Jun 2008 /  #31
- You mean that the majority of Poles don't really think - only you're the one who really thinks? Very respectful towards your countrymen.

Well, true hurt sometimes... Of course I'm not the only one, however still part of 'minority'. In your opinion I should 'respect' some people only because they are my countrymen? In my opinion 'respect' should be earned. I would say that I tolerate "them", according to proper definition of 'tolerance'. As one Columbian thinker wrote, we should keep in mind that the things ('people' in this case) we 'tolerate' don't deserve for anything more.

- What 'organization' would that be? Does it follow the actvity of the organization in question is known to you only?

Speaking about "the only ones", I would say, that you are the only one who read this post and don't realize that this is about the EU. Congratulation.

- Do you mean the topic is evidence I'm 'specialist from "phobias"' (sic)? Why? And what do you specifically mean by my being 'a specialist from "phobias"' (sic)?

Don't be so modest, to expose polonophobia in Latvia is a great achievement.

- Do you? What is my positon then?

You pretty well stated your position below:

- And what specifically do you mean in the above sentence? The EU is a vast bureaucracy; it cannot be otherwise. Some of the aspects of the bureaucracy are positive, others negative. We can change the negative aspects. The view that the EU is like the Soviet Union is incorrect and actually amusing. Unlike the Soviet bureaucracy, the EU bureaucracy is fully reformable.

This is beyond your imagination to realize a state not founded on 'vast bureaucracy'. However because this word, "bureaucracy" have a bad connotation you declare that some mysterious reform is necessary (possible). This is just another thing that you don't understand, bureaucracy should be drastically reduced and not reformed in any way. This is pointless to change few words in law which establish some completely unnecessary regulations.
miranda  
26 Jun 2008 /  #32
Poland joined the EU in May 2004, I'm fully aware of that. I am an EU Law major after all.

one doesn;t have to have a major to know that ;P
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
26 Jun 2008 /  #33
But it helps :0)
miranda  
26 Jun 2008 /  #34
does it? how?

I just wanted to bug fuzzy;) (da sheep)
Kowalski 7 | 621  
26 Jun 2008 /  #35
For some, unknown to me, reason an interesting post - very pertinent to this forum - has been relegated to off-topic lounge. I am taking the liberty of posting it back here

post should stay off topic, wasted a minute.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,149  
26 Jun 2008 /  #36
Even Lithuanians are hardly the most informed about Poland.

Lithuania is Polish...
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
26 Jun 2008 /  #37
Ha ha ha ha, you'd be surprised (maybe not) how many Polish think that. And you wonder why.
"Lituania, Lithuania my fatherland" those days are well gone.
osiol 55 | 3,921  
26 Jun 2008 /  #38
So if Poland was to go out empire building, Lithuania would be in there. Who else?
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
26 Jun 2008 /  #39
Despite being the Greatest Empire mankind has ever known (or will ever know)

osiol do you not know this one?, I think for a lot of Polish it is all they know about their neighbour
osiol 55 | 3,921  
26 Jun 2008 /  #40
osiol do you not know this one?,

Yes.

We should be aware that despite these historical links, Lithanians and Latvians are Baltic peoples. I wouldn't dream of saying Wales is English or anything like that effect because I am well aware that it is not. Connections, whether historical or of the present day may have their importance.

I thought you might, that is why I sent you the funnier link

Just dusting off the old time machine, going back and taking a butcher's hook right now... just then...

God knows this is truth

So what will your Slavic Union do with Latvians and Lithuanians? Your remark suggests that you wouldn't want to view them as just being neighbours.
SeanBM 35 | 5,806  
26 Jun 2008 /  #41
Yes.

I thought you might, that is why I sent you the funnier link.

Crow

Do you know the expression, if you have nothing to contribute, don't?
Crow 155 | 9,030  
26 Jun 2008 /  #42
Crow:
Crow

Do you know the expression, if you have nothing to contribute, don't?

thank you
southern 74 | 7,074  
26 Jun 2008 /  #43
Crow points out that there is difference between Latvians who are germanics,Estonians who are Skandinavians and Lithuanians who are Slavs.
Crow 155 | 9,030  
27 Jun 2008 /  #44
Lithuanians, are still Slavic, same as Hungarians who also still belong to Slavic world. They all should rely on Poles if they wish to preserve its Slavic characteristics, for they don`t have sustain capabilities to survive without closer cooperation with Poland. Same i can say for Lusatia. Poland should protect Lusatia. It is reality.
MrBubbles 10 | 613  
27 Jun 2008 /  #45
I remember a friend in Opole chatting to a group of Polish friends about an upcoming trip she was planning to Lithuania. Her friends were shocked, "Oh be careful it's really dangerous...it's full of Mafia...my friend had his car stolen.." and so on. Undeterred, she went ahead with the trip and had a wonderful time.

One evening, she was in a bar in Vilnius, chatting to some Lithuanians she'd met ion her travels and mentioned that she'd been living in Opole for the past few years. They were shocked, "Oh be careful it's really dangerous...it's full of Mafia...my friend had his car stolen....." :)
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
27 Jun 2008 /  #46
Read some comments from here BitterCat
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
17 Jul 2008 /  #47
Most of them were rather concentrated on Russia.

obsessed is the right word
JulietEcho 3 | 100  
17 Jul 2008 /  #48
- Every single Lithuanian I have met was, and I have a Lithuanian buddy with who we laugh over this, concerned that Poles will want to regain Wilno, as being a Polish city, lost after the uncle Joseph met with traders: Roosevelt and whiskey soaked Churchill. I’m not sure why but I had to affirm numerous Lithuanians that Poles no longer care for that city, personally I don’t, that is. Visiting Lithuania I never experienced a feeling of being unwelcome; contrary I always thought they are the only friends we border with on the eastern side of the country. As far as Lithuania being attractive in terms of turism....seemed pretty dull to me, Sorry. If they want to think they are Scandinavian, so be it as long as they don’t clog up our cities with the marches of tolerance…
osiol 55 | 3,921  
17 Jul 2008 /  #49
Lithuanians, are still Slavic

No they're not. Okay, so maybe a bit. Well, let me expand on that...

Of all the non-Slavs in the world, the Hungarians that you mentioned are probably the most Slavic non-Slavs. Lithuanians less so, Latvians even less than that. There has been mixing over the course of history and prehistory. But the same could be said of Germans (certainly some of them), could it not?

At work, I meet a few Lithuanian Lithuanians, and a few Russian Lithuanians. From the era of Russian colonisation of the Baltic, I'm not sure how much the two populations mixed. There certainly seems to be hostility in the Baltic states against Russia. With Poles, I would expect to see a more sympathetic view from the Baltic peoples as fellow Europeans who have been through similar experiences in recent history.
Crow 155 | 9,030  
17 Jul 2008 /  #50
don`t worry, its ok

both- Baltic and European/Eurasian parts of Russia were populated with Slavic population from what is today`s Poland

As genetic science confirmed, ancestral Russian population originates from Slavs of Poland. On the other side, all Slavs originates from Balkan, which was first European soil free from ice, after Ice Age was finished. First contact with Europe after Ice Age, ancestors of Slavs established on the territory of what is today`s Macedonia and Bulgaria. Then, bulk of population was moved in dirrection of Western Balkan (today`s Serbia) and today`s Romania. River Danube, stepes, woods and knowladge of agriculture did the rest... and Slavs spread.

Then, our ancient civilization clashed with different foes and faced many chalanges on inter-continental level.... era of slavery began
lesser 4 | 1,311  
18 Jul 2008 /  #51
obsessed is the right word

It automatically exclude all people from having any valid concerns about Russia. The latter is known from running tasteless foreign policy towards its former satellites. Kremlin really gives them many reasons to be worried.
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196  
20 Jul 2008 /  #52
I dont know about rest of baltics, but I know estonians, they just keep banging about how much of threat Russia is. It just isnt, well at least Europe. They are much more concerned of the Chinese than some tiny Baltic countries. Especially when estonia joined NATO they have been acting as if they are asking for a fight with Russia. Of course recent Russian "re-intrepetrations" of history havent been smart behavior neither. There is blame on both sides.
Wahldo  
20 Jul 2008 /  #53
They are much more concerned of the Chinese than some tiny Baltic countries.

..and this seems strange given they were in bed together for so long. What's more the Chinese haven't been expansionist for some centuries? Japan was usually the aggressor towards them.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
20 Jul 2008 /  #54
I dont know about rest of baltics, but I know estonians, they just keep banging about how much of threat Russia is. It just isnt, well at least Europe. They are much more concerned of the Chinese than some tiny Baltic countries

You have some point here. Estonian transformation was very good in comparison with other post-communist states. Because of this exaggerated fear they blindly joined to the EU and already face recession.

..and this seems strange given they were in bed together for so long.

What do you understand by 'so long'? Soviet and Chinese communists run two different communist camps, they were rivals.
Seanus 15 | 19,674  
17 Jul 2009 /  #55
Interesting question, I'll find out soon. I've heard that Lithuanians are more hostile. I'll use Polish with them and see their reaction. A bit of repair is in order according to some.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,177  
17 Aug 2009 /  #56
Crow points out that there is difference between Latvians who are germanics,Estonians who are Skandinavians and Lithuanians who are Slavs

Wth? Their not scandinavians... even Iceland isn't regarded as Scandinavia in Scandinavia...
Even tho for ME Icelanders are Scandinavians even thoose who lives on some small island near UK.

But saying Estonians are scandinavians is total bull$hit

I remember a friend in Opole chatting to a group of Polish friends about an upcoming trip she was planning to Lithuania. Her friends were shocked, "Oh be careful it's really dangerous...it's full of Mafia...my friend had his car stolen.." and so on. Undeterred, she went ahead with the trip and had a wonderful time.

One evening, she was in a bar in Vilnius, chatting to some Lithuanians she'd met ion her travels and mentioned that she'd been living in Opole for the past few years. They were shocked, "Oh be careful it's really dangerous...it's full of Mafia...my friend had his car stolen....." :)

Same mafia operating in both places?

Lithuanians, are still Slavic, same as Hungarians who also still belong to Slavic world. They all should rely on Poles if they wish to preserve its Slavic characteristics, for they don`t have sustain capabilities to survive without closer cooperation with Poland. Same i can say for Lusatia. Poland should protect Lusatia. It is reality.

I think the same Crow just that Lithuanians just don't get it...
rock - | 429  
17 Aug 2009 /  #57
But saying Estonians are scandinavians is total bull$hit

I agree. Estonians and Finns are the same race, Uralic and Turanic.
Bratwurst Boy 11 | 11,844  
17 Aug 2009 /  #58
I claim all Baltics herewith as germans, so there!
aphrodisiac 11 | 2,437  
17 Aug 2009 /  #59
yes, and the Poles are Slovonized Germans anyways;)

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