Polish-Hungarian friendship - reality till today or just a phantasmagoria

Thanks for clearing that up, David.

You have a great football and MMA tradition in Brasil.

Agree. And nice traditions of coup d'etat, as well...

Reality til today

Actually I do not know, but still feel pity to their last emperor Pedro II, who was forced to abdicate.

David,

Many of my English students are from Brazil. The challenges they have with English pronounciation and grammar, WOW!!! Never have I encountered a group of learners more mired in their own language and unable to make the mentality leap from mother tongue to target language, including Hispanics and older Southeast Asians!

I guess the Portuguese 'Ta bom' must have numerous applications in that language. It seems that every question I asked beginners was answered with 'Okay!' 'Are you from Sao Paolo, Claudia?' - Okay!, 'Why did you come here to the US?' - Yes, okay. etc......

Frustrating, if enlightening-:) LOL

hello Seanus,

what is MMA?

In fact Polish People has my respect also. Many nobel prizes. And one of my favorite writers is Henryk Sienkiewicz. I was reading a book about the Polish empire. Very soft reading. The first book is about the war against the cossacs, the second against the swedish. The last against the tartars. Very, Very good, recommended.

Constantinek, I'm surprised to see how can you know the Brasilian history. Actually, we had a referendum, around 12 years ago. Brasil, almost put back his King to the throne again. Unfortunatelly, our president Lula still around here. Our prince is called Attila, and royal family, lives in a city called Petropolis in Rio de Janeiro.

I was thinking how portuguese can be confusing... our S sometimes, assumes the value of english S, or the english Z. Our X, assumes the greek X (like in axiom), english Z, or the polish SZ. And so far....

Other thing, I read a book, about Polish myths, from my wife. There's a tale, who says, the 3 main slav people, they are the czecs, rus and lech (Polish people). I know czecs=Czechs, Rus=Russians, but I could never guess Lech means Polish. Does this world means something in Polish?

Another tale is about the origin of the Warsaw. It's a fisherman who falls in love for a siren. His name is Wars, and the Siren's (Or mermaid, I don't remember) name is Saw. So they got married, Warssaw. Cool !

best regards fellows,

David

MMA is Mixed Martial Arts, Rio Heroes, Jujitsu etc etc.

Attila? Quite odd name for Brazilian prince of Portuguese origin, it is rather Hungarian. It is so vexing that Brazil was colonized by Portugueses, not Russians. May be we could still create somewhat like union state. We have oil and diamonds, you have perfect climat!

I've known quite a number of Brazilians of Polish ancestry, all of them Jewish refugees from Europe before WWII, of course! Others came prior to Getulio Vargas and stayed until the 60'sm around the time Goulart, Tancredi and others seized power. A lot of Brazilians though prefer Cardoso to Lula. They say the former was a more focused and skillful leader. What say you?

We too are rather familiar with Brazil here in North America-:) More than merely the land of Brama, Campirhinas and Pele. LOL

It is you Marek, you are rare exception. Everybody knows that Gringos in general are retarded hamburger-trophed creatures.

......and Russkies....????? LOL
Just curious, Costia-:)

sometimes I eat hamburgers, but basically prefer russian cuisine. Marek, I bet you despise american society inwardly.

Which 'American society' would you be referring to, Costia? We are far less homogenous than Russian society. You have numerous different ethnicities, I realize. Yet you're scarcely the melting pot we are.

The Poles and Hungarians share a love of leczo, gulasz and bogracz. Oh, and pancakes. Good enough for me.

Yeah you are right. But you hete much dangerous split between blacks and whites instead. We have alot of nationalities within Russia, but all this motley is just a minority, Russians constitute about 85+% of population. Meanwhile, could you tell me how many whites in US?

Well, by 2018, or thereabouts, African-Americans will outnumber Caucasians, according to current statistics.-:)

It is strange as the Poles have all sorts of expressions to say how close the poles are to the Hungarians when in fact there is really nothing similar whatsoever. The Poles do not share a natural border with the Hungarians and there is nothing whatsoever similar between the two languages either.

Except one man Stefan Batori.

Tell me, in the eyes of whom, my little idiot friend?

Not only his eyes! Hungarians and Poles are indeed wholly different, barring their geographical proximity and membership in the human race-:) Poles are Slavs, Hungarians aren't (aside from the inevitable intermarrying as per usual throughout European history), end of story.

Hmmm.. interesting that you state this with such conviction.

Both Polish and Hungarian populations have the highest frequency of the R1a Y gene in Europe. Two people will have the same Y chromosome marker only if they originated from the same father.

Please do some further research on this subject if you doubt me. Both countries have over 50% of this DNA.

How about their history together? Has Poland ever had a better brother than Hungary through ancient times? Did you forget that ancient Poland boardered Hungary? Our kinship is as old as our countries.

Of course, I am not the only one to think this way. How else do you think this idea of brotherhood would be accepted so easily in both cultures?




At least you got one thing right...

if we speak about their origin, Hungarians are Slavs

Their genetic basement is Slavic, they are formed as nation from Slavs which were conquored and influnced by Hun lingustics (Huns were ruling elite but population was predominantly Slavic). In early days of Magyar nation, being Hun was on the first place cultural/linguistic designation, not ethnic.

Then, with time (in last 500 years), newely created Hungarian/Magyar nation assimilated a lot of Slovaks and Serbs and then all other Slavs, too. So many, that many of todays Hungarians remembering their Slavic roots.

By your chromosome theory, all humans are related. Noone doubts that. The question is not whether a dog is related to a hippopotomus by virtue of them both being mammals, more generically, four legged animals.

Slavs and Ugurs are not the same linguistically or culturally, despite your Chomskian point of view which attempts to relate each individual language groups to one another!

That's just a little too all encompassing even for me-:)

Hungarians are not ethnically alone in Europe.

Turks and Hungarians are relatives.

Unfortunately, religion put a distance between two nations.

No more related than Hungarians are related to Poles.

I thought you were gone, rock?

I know about Hungarian-Polish-Chechs friendship. It is strong.

But if you read history you will see Turks and Magyars lived together and mixed. Our languages are similar.


You did not say bye but now you say welcome. Thank you :))

Yes. And if you read history you will see that Magyars (Huns) mixed with ancient Slavic populations nearby. Modern day Hungarians are more related by blood to Poles and Czechs, than to Turks. What remains of Turkish-Hungarian relationship is the language, and some customs. Not much else.


Delayed good-bye then : )

Hungarians are not Slavs but Poles and Hungarians supported each other in different times.

In middle ages Polish - Hungarian aliance was very useful. Hungarians supported us durring wars against Teutons.

In Austro - Hungarian empire ... Hungarians supported Poles and Poles supported Hungarians (to get more power form Austrians)... That is why it started to be called Austro-Hungarian empire (decades after partitions... ealier it was just Austria) and that is why Poles had the best situation from diiferent parts of Poland.

It was much harder for Poles in Russian or German occupied terytories...

Durrring WWII we were in different aliances but Hungaians were helping for Poles.

Durring communism Hungarians were cooperating with Poles.

Poles and Hungarians had similar interets in different times ... and some positive traditions.

Hungarians share certain ethno-linguistic traits with Estonians, Finns and various extant Siberian peoples, i.e. Khanti and Mansi.

The Turkish connection though is problematic

Khant and Mansi society is completely different to Hungarian, as it involves living in sub-arctic forest and frozen tundra, and having land taken, villages and communities destroyed in the name of a Russian oil and gas industry. The Hungarian language is a decendent of the same group, although it picked up a lot of Turkic (eg. Central Asian Turkic pre-Islam) and Slavic (most probably from the people who dwelt in Hungary before the Magyars invaded). Finnish and Estonian languages are very distantly related.